[Closed] What's annoying you currently? II

Hey, *I* would be absolutely ecstatic to see Greece move back to the Drachma (and likely decend into a whirlpool of chaos and destruction the likes of which have been unheard of since the Peloponesian Wars), were it not for certain Greek individuals I kinda like.

While I agree due diligence should have been FAR more strict (roughly a third of current EU countries should NEVER have been allowed entrance due to criminal mismanagement, corruption on the highest possible levels and blatant opportunism), it's a bit odd to think anyone BUT national political leaders (who saw great benefits in getting their filth-ridden, mismanaged economies hidden under the Euroblanket) are 100% responsible for the mess any given country is in now.

So until I see some national Greek, Spanish, Italian and Cypriotan political and financial leaders from way back then dangling from teh lamp posts (so to speak), I'm inclined to mark any and all pointing outwards as yet another attempt to divert attention from the real problems, which -especially in Greece- ALL were (or still are) casue by national, internal causes (and only have been brought to light by people on the OUTSIDE finally starting to pay attention. But shooting the messenger never solved anything.).

YEP!
Shortsightedness and wishful thinking at best.
Stubborn obstinacy in general.
Manipulation and corruption at worst.



Oh no! Almost no one, including the north, had their house properly in order. But it was manageable, and with another ten years (and some decisive politics...pretty much a contradiction in terms there, so one could wonder how realistic that idea is) Europe should have been able to whether the mortgage crisis and overcome the start-up difficulties.

Greece didn't cause the crisis (arguably American investment bankers did), but it was was absolutely the trigger in Europe, and has brought the house down in a far more accelerated fashion than anyone anticipated. And not by bad luck or happenstance, but solely by lies, deceit and corruption (and THAT is my beef with the Greek political leadership of the time. That no one has gone to jail yet utterly confounds me!).

You have a point, but here's the thing: with organisations this size, with so many (equal) participants and so many agendas, there's no such thing as a strong basis. With a dream like that, you just need to start at some point (in this case to oppose the hegemony of the US as a commercial super state), and fix the cracks where and when they appear.

The real problem -as is coming to light- is that the whole global economy is in a volatile state, and has been for quite some time. Therefore my initial thoughts (noted down in the World Events thread some 1-2 years ago) that Europe might have weathered the storm if Greece hadn't sent it crashing down before its time may well have been far too optimistic.

I don't really blame Greece for anything (except their obnoxious leadership at the time of entry into the EU, which was both wrong and immoral). But to blame Greece for the crisis is, clearly, ridiculous. Whatever financial and economic mailase and malfeasance may come to light (and there's a lot of it, not just in Greece but in so many countries), our best hope now is that with the system breaking up and laid bare as badly as it does, the destruction will lead to a stronger, more cohesive (global) economy for future generations.

For now, I'm not at all optimistic about our own generation: there's a LOT to rebuild, and -more importantly- rethink. And I see only precious little of the latter.

God, I'm happy we're not a part of those EU shenanigans (although I'm sure it will have an indirect impact on Norway as well).

Calling her Merkel-with-a-dick makes it sound like you have issues with women leaders. Just saying.




Couldn't agree more. I don't get why germans are fine with all their movies being vandalized like this.

Peter

Because
a) In Germany Germans are in the habit of speaking German.
b) In Europe there are about 100 million native speakers of German which makes the production of a dubbing worthwhile.
The rest is a question of what you are used to. If you have never known the original version of the film and if you don't care to change that then the dubbed version is what you will take for granted. As a rule Germans hate underlined films just as Americans hate dubbed ones. In Germany some actors have gained more prominence with dubbing American collegues than with their own acting. Often these are theatre actors with little or no presence on screen. For instance people find John Wayne's own voice funny because his "German" voice is immensely popular here. Many American actors speak highly of their German counterparts and they will meet with them during premier parties. Some of these relations are spanning decades.
It is noticible though that with the advent of DVDs (including the original soundtrack) the dubbing voices tend to be more in line with the original ones.
To give another example: One of the most profiled dubbing actors is Rolf Schult: Robert Redford, Patrick Stewart, Anthony Hopkins, Marlon Brando, Gene Hackman, Yul Brynner, Clint Eastwood, Donald Sutherland.
He really came to stardom as the voice of Captain Picard. That part would lead him to speak documantaries about science, philosophy and religion.
So, as funny as it may seem from the outside: In Germany it's a vital part of the film industry.

Volker

Take a look into the future:

http://www.welt.de/img/lifestyle/origs1 … /title.jpg

Greece is owned by China.

I like this cartoon about the Cyprus situation:

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a … 0284_n.jpg

Just read about the situation in Cyprus. Sorry to hear all this Demetris. It is complicated to understand and rather terrifying to not be able to access your money. What the hell was the EC thinking of a levy of over 6% on deposits, come on!!? On the other hand, why didn't your government do something earlier. I can't believe this is just happening?

Can't believe it either my friend. Anyway, i will take some time off from the forum 'cause situation is shitty, i might try and go down to my family for a few days to see what's going on. I was also expecting some money from Cyprus which is also blocked and i am dry as we speak. Wish i had appetite for fun and other activities but with the situation in Greece and now in Cyprus it's got too much suddenly to handle. Could it get any worse? I come from one shitty eu economy and live in another shitty eu economy.

I'm pretty sure that in countries where movies are subtitled, people are in the habit of speaking their own language as well.




It would make subbing just as worthwhile. I don't understand the argument.




Indeed. If you haven't grown up with the original movie, you'll never know what you're missing.




I'm sure it's true that some of these voice actors are very talented. But people like Hopkins, Brando, Hackman, Eastwood etc. are one in a million talents, that got to where they are because they are incredibly unique and talented. The voice of an actor is a huge part of acting, and to use one guy to replace these great actors, can only result in a diminished product. Also, this voice actor wasn't cast for the original movies, with no guidance from the directors; he had nothing to do with the movie productions. No matter how talented he is, the end products can only be inferior.

Peter

As a film fan, I count myself lucky that over here in the flemish part of Belgium movies never got dubbed; though I suspect the main reason isn't that we are experts in english, but rather subtitling movies is the cheaper solution for such a small market. The only shows and movies that did get dubbed are those for children, and even that wasn't a certainty; I remember some cartoons having original english with subtitles. For those that did get dubbed I do confess that I've grown more accustomed to those voice actors so I do identify with my German & French friends who love the dubbed versions.

But as far as performance goes in a live action movie, the original language is still the best and the only way I watch an english spoken movie is without subtitles nowadays. As I do find they intrude the composition of the frame and I understand enough english now to do that.

But what about those Italian movies where the actors are allowed to speak what language they want, as it will get dubbed anyway? Well, leave it to the Italians to make things complicated

I think that my ISP is having "issues".

I am getting DNS not responding errors when using wi-fi (Orange/EE) at the moment. Everything seems okay with mobile broadband though (T-Mobile/EE).

I hope that it is fixed by tomorrow or the children won't know what to do!