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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2010 edited
Well, as you've analyzed it above, it sounds like it has the premise of being a good idea, if they work it out well.
But i didn't understand one thing, what the 1st cd will be basically, so clear it out for me please;
Will those releases essentially be:
CD 1. the 'good' (as chosen by an album producer that is?), the listenable stuff in new tracklistings by the label OR will they be identical to the official albums that are already out?
CD 2. the rest of the stuff written and recorded for the film the completist / collector nut-jobs will listen once and then put on the shelf to collect dust. *
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* don't get upset, i am just teasing you
although i do consider the completist craze a bit....odd to say the least
As for C&C, i hate to break it for you but the rest of the non-nerd film score-centered world knows it as the legendary game series "command & conquer"Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2010
Christodoulides wrote
As for C&C, i hate to break it for you but the rest of the non-nerd film score-centered world knows it as the legendary game series "command & conquer"
Indeed. ^_^ I remember being confused by that years ago when I first read the term.
That's not the breakdown I imagined for CDs 1 and 2. For me it's more along the lines of The Dark Crystal, Star Trek III or The Fury:
CD1: The full C&C score.
CD2: The "selected album release" as handpicked by people who apparently know better than all of us, plus perhaps any bonus alternate tracks that didn't fit on CD1.
If we could always have that at NO extra cost, everyone be 100% happy!!!!!''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2010 edited
Christodoulides wrote
As for C&C, i hate to break it for you but the rest of the non-nerd film score-centered world knows it as the legendary game series "command & conquer"
What do you mean, there are OTHER nerds out there?
If I understood Feigelson correctly, this was not so much 2 CD's, but one singular CD that could hold BOTH the (IMO superior) album presentation AND the extra tracks that C&C fantasts could insert into their own film souvenir program to their heart's content.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2010
HeeroJF wrote
CD2: The "selected album release" as handpicked by people who apparently know better than all of us, plus perhaps any bonus alternate tracks that didn't fit on CD1.
Not too sure if i am to take this with a grain of salt or notLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2010
Nah, you should probably be highly offended.
''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 12th 2010 edited
HeeroJF wrote
Nah, you should probably be highly offended.
I don't get easily offended my friend so no worries.
And i am generally, most of the times' very happy with the album producers' work who put out the vast majority of very good commercial official releases of original score albums in the first place; and even those contain cues i program out most of the times so very rarely i need even more...also i rarely need some other expert to cancel the former's work and pass me what he thinks is better for me; i might pick up a cue or two from that 2nd version truth to be told, but thank God i am not infected with money-eating, pleasure-depriving mania of collecting.
I am very happy that such tactics find their audience and obviously make some people happy but as a musicologist and mostly through personal experiences i've learned to never be absolute and categorical with such highly subjective topics like one's 'musical taste' or one's 'better musical experience' in this case; it makes one look like a fool.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010 edited
It's just that some of these "bad" tracks can be hidden gems. They may grow on you. They may even reveal themes you didn't notice at first! If you don't listen to them more than once you may miss out on a great experience.
But perhaps more importantly, even when those "bad" tracks truly ARE boring, they still have their purpose in the grand scheme of the music's narrative. Having two knockout tracks separated by a slightly less captivating one could provide you with the intellectual "breather" your mind needs to come to terms with the awesome track that just finished, and prep you for the next one. I just feel they're part of the grand scheme of things. If anything else it just makes me appreciate the awesome tracks that much more when they do show up. I think every piece of art with a narrative needs its ups and downs.''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
Martijn wrote
Am I the only one who'd like to know what the actual music on the CD is gonna be before passing any kind of judgement?
Don't be so stupid. If there's one thing all these limited edition 75+ minute CDs have proven, it's that these things are produced to occupy a place on people's shelves, not a place in their CD players. Who cares what the music is?
(And in all seriousness - unless it's another of their Richard Band-style releases - I'll probably buy it whatever it is just to show my support.) -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
HeeroJF wrote
But perhaps more importantly, even when those "bad" tracks truly ARE boring, they still have their purpose in the grand scheme of the music's narrative. Having two knockout tracks separated by a slightly less captivating one could provide you with the intellectual "breather" your mind needs to come to terms with the awesome track that just finished, and prep you for the next one.
Yeah - and that's what I want an album producer to decide for me! The original release of The Omen was a masterpiece of production. It literally alternates between softer, romantic cues and horrific choral ones all the way through. Sure, I love the expanded version, but by presenting it in chronological film order the opportunity to allow the listener those much-needed breathers is lost. I still think it works - the music is just too good for it not to work - but I find myself programming the remastered versions of the original album tracks more often than the complete album. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
Thor wrote
By the way, Southall, where did you read that Feigelson quote?
It's on Intrada's forum. -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
Southall wrote
Yeah - and that's what I want an album producer to decide for me! The original release of The Omen was a masterpiece of production. It literally alternates between softer, romantic cues and horrific choral ones all the way through. Sure, I love the expanded version, but by presenting it in chronological film order the opportunity to allow the listener those much-needed breathers is lost. I still think it works - the music is just too good for it not to work - but I find myself programming the remastered versions of the original album tracks more often than the complete album.
I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like we're somehow agreeing and disagreeing at the same time. All I want in term of "breathers" or "narrative experience" is simply what was intended for the movie. If the movie calls for many alternating ups and downs in terms of action vs suspence (like Aliens) then, to me, that's the way the music's meant to be experienced. If, on the other hand it's a movie like Avatar that starts off very mellow and sweet and then builds to 30 minutes of nonstop breathless action that's not MEANT to give you any breathers, then I want to experience that, too.''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthorBobdH
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
HeeroJF wrote
Christodoulides wrote
As for C&C, i hate to break it for you but the rest of the non-nerd film score-centered world knows it as the legendary game series "command & conquer"
Indeed. ^_^ I remember being confused by that years ago when I first read the term.
That's not the breakdown I imagined for CDs 1 and 2. For me it's more along the lines of The Dark Crystal, Star Trek III or The Fury:
CD1: The full C&C score.
CD2: The "selected album release" as handpicked by people who apparently know better than all of us, plus perhaps any bonus alternate tracks that didn't fit on CD1.
If we could always have that at NO extra cost, everyone be 100% happy!!!!!
Well, there won't be a "full C&C" cd in there, that wouldn't fit. The second CD would contain 'the leftovers'. I see it in the way the Indiana Jones boxset was released. One cd with a firm album presentation, one with a bonus cd. -
- CommentAuthorfommes
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
Southall wrote
Martijn wrote
Am I the only one who'd like to know what the actual music on the CD is gonna be before passing any kind of judgement?
Don't be so stupid. If there's one thing all these limited edition 75+ minute CDs have proven, it's that these things are produced to occupy a place on people's shelves, not a place in their CD players. Who cares what the music is?
(And in all seriousness - unless it's another of their Richard Band-style releases - I'll probably buy it whatever it is just to show my support.)
No, if there's one thing that all these limited editions have proven, it's that these things need to be decided on a case-by-case basis. The new Star Trek DE, for instance, is a much, much better listening experience than the OST, despite being twice as long.
Acknowledging that the listening experience on a CD should depend on the actual music in question and not on an absolute (and fundamentalist) principle is something that Thor, for one, stubbornly refuses to do. And I'm sorry for singling you out, Thor, but I cannot frickin' believe that you're still complaining about this 'new' Intrada move (it's not really new; the same label has actually done it before already). Do you really begrudge people with different viewpoints and preferences everything? -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
fommes wrote
No, if there's one thing that all these limited editions have proven, it's that these things need to be decided on a case-by-case basis.
That is absolutely true, but it hasn't happened now for quite some time (some labels apart - Moviescore Media has always been about producing the best possible album, Varese does it sometimes - usually when it's Robert Townson sequencing it rather than the composer - and Kritzerland does it, though in fairness they are often re-releasing LPs). Of course, sometimes, the best album presentation IS giving the whole score in chronological order. -
- CommentAuthorfommes
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010 edited
I completely agree (except the thing about Townson, I think he's one of the worst producers out there when it comes to his DEs that is; anyway, that's a personal opinion), but I think it should also be noted that in most cases there has already been a previous CD album.
My point being that while it is certainly true that the majority of limited editions goes C&C, the core problem - concerning the listening experience - is not as prevalent as it would seem; since often there's already a good alternative out there. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
fommes wrote
No, if there's one thing that all these limited editions have proven, it's that these things need to be decided on a case-by-case basis. The new Star Trek DE, for instance, is a much, much better listening experience than the OST, despite being twice as long.
Acknowledging that the listening experience on a CD should depend on the actual music in question and not on an absolute (and fundamentalist) principle is something that Thor, for one, stubbornly refuses to do. And I'm sorry for singling you out, Thor, but I cannot frickin' believe that you're still complaining about this 'new' Intrada move (it's not really new; the same label has actually done it before already). Do you really begrudge people with different viewpoints and preferences everything?
Complain about the 'new Intrada move'? Didn't you read my post? I'm APPLAUDING IT!
Also, I should remind you that I always have a 1% exception to the rule, so I'm not THAT fundamentalist. Once in a blue moon, a soundtrack in C&C rolls along that works pretty well. Perhaps because the score was short in the first place and because each track was a self-sustained piece or something. The recent ROCKY IV by Vince di Cola comes to mind.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
Southall wrote
fommes wrote
No, if there's one thing that all these limited editions have proven, it's that these things need to be decided on a case-by-case basis.
That is absolutely true, but it hasn't happened now for quite some time (some labels apart - Moviescore Media has always been about producing the best possible album, Varese does it sometimes - usually when it's Robert Townson sequencing it rather than the composer - and Kritzerland does it, though in fairness they are often re-releasing LPs). Of course, sometimes, the best album presentation IS giving the whole score in chronological order.
Not too sure i'd agree, i found that for instance that Twilight: new moon c&c 2cd that's circulating around is ages behind the listening experience of the commercial cd; anyway, it's all subjective as i said and it's down to everyone's tastes.
Not too sure i get the whole 'buy anything to support' notion though, why not buy a new car every 2-3 years in the same sense, just to support the constantly-failing car industry too, for instance?
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
Christodoulides wrote
Southall wrote
fommes wrote
No, if there's one thing that all these limited editions have proven, it's that these things need to be decided on a case-by-case basis.
That is absolutely true, but it hasn't happened now for quite some time (some labels apart - Moviescore Media has always been about producing the best possible album, Varese does it sometimes - usually when it's Robert Townson sequencing it rather than the composer - and Kritzerland does it, though in fairness they are often re-releasing LPs). Of course, sometimes, the best album presentation IS giving the whole score in chronological order.
Not too sure i'd agree, i found that for instance that Twilight: new moon c&c 2cd that's circulating around is ages behind the listening experience of the commercial cd; anyway, it's all subjective as i said and it's down to everyone's tastes.
I think we're agreeing with each other actually!
Not too sure i get the whole 'buy anything to support' notion though, why not buy a new car every 2-3 years in the same sense, just to support the constantly-failing car industry too, for instance?
Hmm. I DO buy a new car every 3 years so you've got me there! (Though I do it because I want a new car, I guess, not because I want to support the industry.) -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
And a new microwave, tv, hi-fi system, laptop, desktop, phone, etc etc etc every year or so just to support the industry? If yes you're the true embodiment of commercialism my friend; i wonder where you find all the money
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
If this thing is a success then it means Intrada will continue to follow this model and probably other labels will consider following suit. It is VERY MUCH in my interests for that to happen so it is equally in my interests to buy this CD. I am, in true capitalist style, doing it purely for myself - not to support the industry! -
- CommentAuthorfommes
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
That, of course, is what the system wants you to think.
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- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 13th 2010
Southall wrote
If this thing is a success then it means Intrada will continue to follow this model and probably other labels will consider following suit. It is VERY MUCH in my interests for that to happen so it is equally in my interests to buy this CD. I am, in true capitalist style, doing it purely for myself - not to support the industry!
Which is exactly how an art appreciator (over a pure "item collector") is supposed to think. We're definitely in the same camp here, Southall.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Thank God i am really happy with official score releases 99% of the times then
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Christodoulides wrote
Thank God i am really happy with official score releases 99% of the times then
Me too, in terms of commercial soundtracks for new films etc. (from the big labels). It's the niche labels I have an issue with.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Christodoulides wrote
And a new microwave, tv, hi-fi system, laptop, desktop, phone, etc etc etc every year or so just to support the industry? If yes you're the true embodiment of commercialism my friend; i wonder where you find all the money
I suppose I buy certain CDs "to support the industry" because I love to listen to film music and I hope that by buying them it allows the labels to release something in the future that I'd love to see released.
If people love laptops, iPhones, etc then they may be tempted to keep getting them so that there can be the development of more gadgety gadgets (also, there's people who have to have the newest tech. But that's different from what's being spoken about here.)
Maybe there's geeks out there who have to have the latest microwaves because they just love them and want to support the brands so that maybe they'll release one in the future with mp3-playing capabilities...cue link from someone to show me that that's already available.
And if there is one then I have a question. Do they take PayPal?The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Thor wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Thank God i am really happy with official score releases 99% of the times then
Me too, in terms of commercial soundtracks for new films etc. (from the big labels). It's the niche labels I have an issue with.
I think I have just as big an issue with the new soundtracks, if not larger! Who wants 79'59" of the latest Brian Tyler score!? -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Southall wrote
Thor wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Thank God i am really happy with official score releases 99% of the times then
Me too, in terms of commercial soundtracks for new films etc. (from the big labels). It's the niche labels I have an issue with.
I think I have just as big an issue with the new soundtracks, if not larger! Who wants 79'59" of the latest Brian Tyler score!?
Yeah, but those are exceptions to the rule, aren't they?
If the composer has been involved (or other savvy album producers), there's usually a fair amount of rearranging and abbreviation going on. Thankfully.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Southall wrote
I think I have just as big an issue with the new soundtracks, if not larger! Who wants 79'59" of the latest Brian Tyler score!?
Oh, I don't know... Brian Tyler fans!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
I think I have just as big an issue with the new soundtracks, if not larger! Who wants 79'59" of the latest Brian Tyler score!?
Oh, I don't know... Brian Tyler fans!
-Erik-
I think he'd have far more fans if he put out 40-minute albums rather than unlistenable 80-minute ones! -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJul 14th 2010
Not anymore, Thor. The amounts of score released on albums raised significantly since there's a new deal with the local Los Angeles players.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website