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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    Another thread from scoreviews brought back to life here at maintitles.

    This is the thead where we compare two and sometimes three pieces of music from difference scores to hear their similarities in orchestration or melody OR both. Some are subtle and some are shameless.

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    LET'S BEGIN NOW...
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    Return of the King (Howard Shore)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip3.mp3

    Hidalgo (James Newton Howard)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip2.mp3

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    Superman (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip4.mp3

    Medal of Honor: Allied Assault (Michael Giacchino)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip5.mp3

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    Fitzwilly (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip7.mp3

    Sabrina (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip6.mp3

    The Fitzwilly/Sabrina clips are shameless.

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    TREMORS (Robert Folk)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip10.mp3

    DIE HARD 2 (Michael Kamen)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip11.mp3

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    Kamen... the SAME tune!

    A NEW MOON IN THE OLD MOON'S ARMS (Michael Kamen)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip12.mp3

    BAND OF BROTHERS (Michael Kamen)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip13.mp3

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    LEGENDS OF THE FALL (James Horner)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip14.mp3

    SUPERMAN RETURNS (John Ottman)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip15.mp3

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    Temp Track Fun

    This track...

    HENRY V (Patrick Doyle)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip16.mp3

    ...was no doubt the temp track for this...

    JURASSIC PARK (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip17.mp3

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    More Temp Track Love

    BRAINSTORM (James Horner)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip18.mp3

    Was a bit of an influence on...

    HIGHPOINT (Christopher Young)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip19.mp3

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    Fun With Delerue

    OUR MOTHER's HOUSE (Georges Delerue)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip20.mp3

    THE COLOR PURPLE (Quincy Jones) - wish I had the OST... this track is from Cinema Serenade
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip21.mp3

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    Now, this next one has been long debated in all the film music forums... what do you think? Temp track love?

    AGNES OF GOD (Georges Delerue)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip22.mp3

    HOOK (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip23.mp3

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    ARSENE LUPIN (Debbie Wiseman)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip24.mp3

    MINORITY REPORT (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip25.mp3

    which was a copy and paste job from

    THE LOST WORLD: JURASSIC PARK (John Williams)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip26.mp3

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    TUCK EVERLASTING 'Winnie and the Tucks' (William Ross)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip30.mp3

    THE HORSE WHISPERER 'Rhythm of the Horse' (Thomas Newman)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip31.mp3

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    TUCK EVERLASTING 'Love Everlasting' (William Ross)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip32.mp3

    LONESOME DOVE 'Theme' (Basil Poledouris)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip33.mp3

    I'll have the Tyler rip off cues ready for TJ in a little while. wink

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Where did you find these?! You saved them???!

    WHERE IS "300"?!
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    Where did you find these?! You saved them???!

    WHERE IS "300"?!


    MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The Google cache.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  1. Erik, waiting for 300 (haven't heard the Bates score and not intend to) and Tyler.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    I don't know how to put soundclips online, but I've always found a remarkable simmilarity between:

    "End Titles" from Jaws
    John Williams

    and

    "Heal the World"
    Michael Jackson

    dizzy
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    I'll get the 300/Titus one up in the next ten minutes

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    TITUS (Elliot Goldenthal)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip34.mp3

    300 (Elliot Goldenthal.... err... Tyler Bates)
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip35.mp3

    More coming...

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    thanks Erik. Haven't listened to em all, but many of these (granted I have not done any CLOSE, DETAILED listening) sound SIMILAR at best.

    Although, the Jurassic Park- Henry V one is pretty damn close. Yet nobody cares if the almighty JW does a little quote.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    tjguitar wrote
    Although, the Jurassic Park- Henry V one is pretty damn close. Yet nobody cares if the almighty JW does a little quote.


    What do you MEAN no body. I put it up because it's shameless. And no one here said that WIlliams was innocent. You should hear the amount of classical rips there are in his music. And the Zimmer A Good As It Goes rip by Williams in The Terminal almost made me throw up. Williams ripping off Zimmer? The difference here is that some Williams fans seem to have come to grips with Williams borrowing music while fans of other composers are in denial and use the "Well, Williams does it!" argument as cover.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  2. I always thought that The Terminal sounds like the Fifth Ave. track from Thomas Newman's Meet Joe Black.
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    The difference here is that some Williams fans seem to have come to grips with Williams borrowing music while fans of other composers are in denial and use the "Well, Williams does it!" argument as cover.


    I don't understand. I didn't outright deny rips, I said certain things don't sound the same to me but that if one was looking for it, I could see it, and that a fair amount of comparisons are "stretching it" and word of mouth isn't going to cut it, I want examples, and it seems you're willing to provide. "smile


    But at the end of the day, I said I don't CARE if it's "ripped" or not. If it sounds good, it sounds good. I'm not going to judge my ENJOYMENT of music on it's originality. Chances are, we could find something that sounded similar to any piece of music, if we had the time and will power. I'm not going to stop liking something just cause it sounds like something else, especially if I haven't heard or don't enjoy the something else. I don't see the logic in it.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Erik, do you have my links for 300? My links are still active.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    Here you go, Demetris

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    Demetris Christodoulides wrote:

    TITUS VS 300

    The one who'll spot which is which gets a box of candy!

    IMPORTANT: Right click-save us and not directly playing them.

    Listen to the whole clips, not just fragments; sometimes the big surprise is at the end wink

    http://users.auth.gr/dichrist/Victorious_Titus.mp3 vs http://users.auth.gr/dichrist/returns_a_king.mp3


    http://users.auth.gr/dichrist/Finale.mp3 vs http://users.auth.gr/dichrist/RememberUs.mp3

    Man this is sooooo amusing, same orchestration, arrangement, tempi, themes and even scales at some.

    And one bonus i am not sure anyone else spotted (i might be wrong but i don't remember otherwise)

    http://users.auth.gr/dichrist/An_Offering.mp3 vs http://users.auth.gr/dichrist/XerxesFinalOffer.mp3


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    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    edit
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    ERIK! DAMN shocked biggrin

    1 second apart! shocked
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Demetris, please recheck your links. The ones now include your username and encrypted password. Not immeditaly dangerous, but not that safe either. smile
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    Damn! Corrected it smile Thanks for the heads up mate and Erik for the links. For those who are going to listen, please note:

    TITUS (ON THE LEFT) VS 300 (ON THE RIGHT)
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    tjguitar wrote
    But at the end of the day, I said I don't CARE if it's "ripped" or not. If it sounds good, it sounds good. I'm not going to judge my ENJOYMENT of music on it's originality. Chances are, we could find something that sounded similar to any piece of music, if we had the time and will power. I'm not going to stop liking something just cause it sounds like something else, especially if I haven't heard or don't enjoy the something else. I don't see the logic in it.


    Which is all fine and dandy. You are entitled to enjoy your music the way you want to. For me, and especially with the amount of music that I do have, I find these similarities a lot easier than most. I don't go out of my way to look for them... they just pop up and all of a sudden I'm thinking of a different score and not the one that I'm listening to. It happened a lot in Lair. Plus, it also comes down to creativity and true talent. Any dimwit can copy and paste a piece of music. But it take a truly creative and talented artist to creative something new and fresh. Now, while it's almost impossible to find music or film music that's truly 100% original I think that some composers make more of an effort to write something original than others. And if I want to hear Legends of the Fall, The Mask of Zorro, Lifeforce, Deep Blue Sea, I'll go and find the originals and not put on a second rate effort like most of Tyler's recent efforts are. IMHO of course.

    Look, I know the dude has talent... it's either that he a one lazy fuck or has worked with some terrible producers or directors that fall in love with the temp and have Tyler write as close to the temp as possible. I really think Tyler needs to take a break from Hollywood blockbusters and go score a small independent film... likes the ones he worked on earlier in his career where his music sounded fresh.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    I got my clips! Thanx to Bregt kiss

    "End Titles" from Jaws, by John Williams:
    http://www.maintitles.net/music/copyand … Titles.mp3

    ...and...

    "Heal the World", by Michael Jackson:
    http://www.maintitles.net/music/copyand … eworld.mp3


    dizzy
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Erik Woods wrote:
    I really think Tyler needs to take a break from Hollywood blockbusters and go score a small independent film... likes the ones he worked on earlier in his career where his music sounded fresh.

    Or things like The Hunted and Constantine.
    Or The Final Cut.
    Kazoo
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Any dimwit can copy and paste a piece of music.


    Are you sure? Have you tried?

    I urge you to read the 3rd post by Mr. Kendall in http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts … ;archive=1

    because IMO, he's right on the money.

    BTW, Tyler HAS scored small indy films in the last couple years--finishing the game, bug--but i prefer the blockbusters. Can't wait for Rambo. :D
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    Oh, and i've got another one, new, for you in the 300 case:

    1) http://rapidshare.com/files/60076959/09 … y_love.mp3

    "Goodbye my love" (from TYLER BATES' 300)

    VS

    2) http://rapidshare.com/files/60077638/10 … _zadji.mp3

    Balkan traditional song


    Notice anything? biggrin

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    For the rest, see http://www.maintitles.net/forum/discuss … e/#Item_13
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    More clip fun...

    EDIT --> CLIPS CORRECTED!

    LEGENDS OF THE FALL (James Horner) - "The Ludlow's"
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip36.mp3

    THE GREATEST GAME EVER PLAYED
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip37.mp3

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    LIFEFORCE (Henry Mancini) - Listen to the rhythm
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip38.mp3

    DEEP BLUE SEA (Trevor Rabin) - Listen to the melody
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip39.mp3

    SHREK (Powell/Gregson-Williams) - Listen to the melody
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip40.mp3

    And they all come together and create...

    CHILDREN OF DUNE (Brian Tyler) - Summon The Worms
    http://www.dillusions.net/erik/clips/clip41.mp3

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    tjguitar wrote
    Any dimwit can copy and paste a piece of music.


    Are you sure? Have you tried?


    Copy and paste... ya... here... I'll show ya...

    COPY --> CTRL C
    PASTE --> CTRL V

    "Are you sure? Have you tried?"

    There... copy and paste. See, any dimwit can do it, even me!!!

    BTW, I have taken some music classes... a long time ago in high school and composed a few small pieces. It's not easy... but any dimwit can copy and paste. wink

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    You can't hear the difference between 36 and 37? Sure there's some similarities. But you don't notice the differences?
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    tjguitar wrote
    You can't hear the difference between 36 and 37? Sure there's some similarities. But you don't notice the differences?


    Dood... they are basically the same piece with some altered notes. It reminds me of really bad production music. You know, the piece that wants to sound like Mission Impossible but has to change one note here and there so they don't get sued by Mr. Schifrin.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    You know, the piece that want to sound like Mission Impossible but have to change one note here and there so they don't get sued by Mr. Schifrin.


    Like Man From UNCLE?
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007 edited
    tjguitar wrote
    You know, the piece that want to sound like Mission Impossible but have to change one note here and there so they don't get sued by Mr. Schifrin.


    Like Man From UNCLE?


    Yes, the second season theme for sure.

    -Erik-
    host and producer of CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthortjguitar
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007

    Dood... they are basically the same piece with some altered notes.


    But the ALTERED NOTES make a BIG difference. I was playing my Tyelr compilation in my car the other day and when (I think) the track THE JIHAD played, I was singing along thinking it should be Deep Blue Sea style but then it clearly went in another place.

    To me, I play the two melodies on the piano and they are so obviously different even if they have some common tones, that i don't get why it's a problem for you.
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2007
    Christodoulides wrote
    Oh, and i've got another one, new, for you in the 300 case:


    Isn't this whole 300 thing already beaten to death? rolleyes