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- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
That's what's wrong with you and Lost: instead of gorgeous Kate, you're focusing on Jack's chest hair!!!!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Anthony wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Just a question to see if i got it right:
Jack's father, Christian Shephard IS Jacob?
No, Jacob represents himself through Christian.
Indeed. And Locke will be Christian´s replacement.Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Christodoulides wrote
That's what's wrong with you and Lost: instead of gorgeous Kate, you're focusing on Jack's chest hair!!!!
No I'm focusing on the fact that it managed to be written into the story. What next? -
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009 edited
I must confess , the recreate the original flight thing seems silly.
But...How daniel Faraday said " here is where sciencie ends"
About Jack's hair, please Jack, come back to your first season Look! You was so HOT!!!! Oops sorry...(Horner, what are you doing in my back? Stop..) -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009
Nautilus wrote
But...How daniel Faraday said " here is where sciencie ends"
Faraday said that??
Maybe it was in that crappy episode I really didn't like. I don't remember it too well. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009
James HornerOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeFeb 24th 2009
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- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
OK, here's my theory about what's going on with Lost.
The Black Rock (the boat with the dynamite) was the first thing to crash land on the island; the captain, whose name was Hanso, had two sons: Jacob and Alvar. Jacob somehow has a spiritual connection with the island, and becomes "one" with its healing properties and time-bending inclinations.
Jacob wants to protect the island, so he and some followers (possibly other survivors of the Black Rock shipwreck) become "The Hostiles". One of Jacob's followers is Richard Alpert, who has been given extraordinarily long life by the island's powers. Other followers of Jacob, eventually, include Daniel's mother and Charles Widmore.
Alvar, however, wants to exploit the island. He initially gets involved with the US government after WWII (hence the presence of US army soldiers on the island, and the nuclear bomb), but after The Hostiles drive them out, he then uses his fortune to fund the research project which would eventually become The Dharma Initiative. Dharma comes to the island, and builds all the various stations as part of a cover story for the real reason for them being there: to exploit the island's powers for nefarious means. (Side issue: the whole deal with the original Hatch is that it was built on top of the nuclear device, and the "numbers" were to stop it from exploding because of its leak).
Eventually Ben joins the Hostiles; they overthrow Dharma and become "The Others", and use the facilities they took from Dharma to follow Jacob and protect the island. Because they know what power The Island is capable of wielding, they sometimes have to resort to extreme measures (including murder) for the greater good. They use the time travel powers of the island to achieve this, which is how they seem omnipotent.
Somewhere along the way Widmore - who, remember, was originally a Hostile - and Ben have a MAJOR falling out, which results in them becoming bitter enemies. It probably has something to do with the chain of command under Jacob; and Widmore being jealous of Ben's position of power.
Now, one of the island's other properties is the power of life: we already know it heals people (Locke's paralysis), and likely an extend life greatly (Alpert), but it can also bring people back from the dead, but only if they arrive on the island as a dead body. When Oceanic 815 crashed on the island, Jack's father is "resurrected" by the island, and is used as a conduit for the exceptionally old Jacob, which is how people have been seeing him at various times throughout the series. The same with Yemi, Eko's brother - he arrived on the island dead after being shot in Nigeria, but was "resurrected" by the island, hence Eko's visions. I think the same will happen with Locke; we already know he has a predestiny to be the leader of the Others, and the fact that he is coming back to the island now as a dead body means he will be "resurrected" and take his righftul place either as Jacob's right hand man, or as Jacob himself. My theory is that his somehow is also related to the ancient civilization which created the "ruins", the "temple" and the legless statue.
There's obviously other things going on too... but this is my overarching theory of what's going on and why.Movie Music UK http://www.moviemusicuk.us -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
Jon, that's pretty plausible and thank you for sharing it!
1 question though:
Jon Broxton wrote
The Black Rock (the boat with the dynamite) was the first thing to crash land on the island; the captain, whose name was Hanso, had two sons: Jacob and Alvar. Jacob somehow has a spiritual connection with the island, and becomes "one" with its healing properties and time-bending inclinations.
Does it say so somewhere though? Not saying it can't be valid, just asking 'cause i don't remember.
And one objection:
I don't think that the island has the power to resurrect dead people? I think it's far-fetched; Judging by the explanations the LOST writers gave so far, i'd say that those "dead" people who appear randomly on the island, are not really resurrected but trapped into time shift glitches themselves, just like our team of plane crash survivors appear later on through the same time shifts on the island, as resurrected dead ones to the others and Dharma people through season 5. Except if you mean the same thing with me but didn't get it the first time
Oh and Jon, do you have a possible explanation for the scary black Dharma guy?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Jon Broxton wrote
OK, here's my theory about what's going on with Lost.
Now, one of the island's other properties is the power of life: we already know it heals people (Locke's paralysis), and likely an extend life greatly (Alpert), but it can also bring people back from the dead, but only if they arrive on the island as a dead body. When Oceanic 815 crashed on the island, Jack's father is "resurrected" by the island, and is used as a conduit for the exceptionally old Jacob, which is how people have been seeing him at various times throughout the series. The same with Yemi, Eko's brother - he arrived on the island dead after being shot in Nigeria, but was "resurrected" by the island, hence Eko's visions. I think the same will happen with Locke; we already know he has a predestiny to be the leader of the Others, and the fact that he is coming back to the island now as a dead body means he will be "resurrected" and take his righftul place either as Jacob's right hand man, or as Jacob himself. My theory is that his somehow is also related to the ancient civilization which created the "ruins", the "temple" and the legless statue.
There's obviously other things going on too... but this is my overarching theory of what's going on and why.
An overall very interesting theory and it's quite possible that the past will be unfolded in such a manner.
However, I got these points:
1. Richard Albert: It is quite possible he is simply traveling in time and thus why he appears to be ageless. Or he could simply be "special" as you say.
2. Jacob: He controls and is controlled by Ben. Remember the ashes around his cabin and his plead for "help"? The story there is a lot more than simply the Hostiles are following Jacob's orders. Ben also has some sort of power over Jacob. Also, why does that damn cabin keep appearing and disappearing?
3. Christian: I hate the guy to be honest and I wonder why on earth Jacob chose him to be the messenger? Unless... well, one theory I got is that Jacob is someone we already know. So this brings me back again to the identity of Jacob. The producers say that most names are not coincidental. Jacob is a biblical figure, who was the father of Israel's 12 tribes. Amongst his sons was Ben(jamin). It is also worth noting that Aaron (in the Bible) was a descendant of Jacob. In Lost, Aaron is the grandson of Christian. However, all these Bible names could be coincidental. Maybe we should be looking somewhere closer. Could Jacob be Jack for example? There is a similarity in the two names.
4. Following up from the previous point, I want to raise the issue of time. The Losties are now stuck in the 1970s. Although I truly hope they can go back to "their" time, could they possibly affect the future and/or some of them be people we already know with different identities? Could Jack or John be Jacob for example? Could Daniel be the man who invented the pendulum? Also, remember Adam and Eve? The two skeletons found in the caves, which had two stones (one white and one black) with them? Remember, Jack took those stones with him. Also, the same (or similar) stones appeared in Desmond's and Penny's apartment in the episode where Desmond was living an alternative life happily with Penny. Could Adam and Eve be a couple we already know, eg. Desmond and Penny, Jack and Kate ?
5. Resurrection of the dead: I'm not entirely sure if that happens and how or why it happens. I will agree that it is most likely that John will rise from the dead once brought back (or he will become Jacob perhaps or something?). Also, Christian appears to be "alive" again but is he really? Is anyone really "alive" on that island? As for Yemi, I will have to disagree with Jon on his point. I don't think that Yemi was resurrected. His skeleton was found in the plane (unlike Christian's body for example). I believe that the "Yemi" which appeared to Eko was a manifestation of the island or even of the monster itself. Remember, after Eko refused to repent, "Yemi" said "You speak to me as if I am your brother?" to which Eko got confused and right after that what showed up? The "monster".
6. The island: So we know now what the island is. A place of energy and all that, as Eloise Hawkings explained it. Is it a good place or a bad place though? On one hand, we got John, Eloise, Ben, Jacob, Richard, Christian and all those people fighting for the "greater good" and describing the island as a magical place that needs to be protected. Aside from Ben and John (who is just following around orders) I trust that Eloise, Richard and Jacob are some sort of "good guys" and that they are on the right. On the other hand, we got Claire warning Kate not to bring Aaron back, we got Charlotte screaming "this place is death", we got Eko saying "you are next", so one is left to wonder: Is this a good place or a bad place?
7. Aaron: Why on earth shouldn't he go back? And what happened to Claire? Is she dead perhaps? Remember her enigmatic smile and confident look in Jacob's cabin? Does Claire know what is going on? Why was she so confident though? And why does she not want Aaron back in the island? And on that note, concerning Aaron's disappearance: Could Claire perhaps have come back and claimed him from Kate?
8. Something which I'm not entirely happy with and which the Lost team should take care of: All this time, why doesn't one person demand for more explanations? Why don't Jack or Sayid corner Ben to get some answers about the island and the Others? Why doesn't Sawyer grab Juliet from the hair and demand some answers, such as what is the monster, why did they kidnap Walt, why did they kidnap everyone else, why do some of the abductees (such as Cindy) appear to be fine with their new way of life?
9. And following from the last point, why does Juliet (an ex-Other) travel in time with the Losties, whereas Cindy (an ex-Lostie) has been fully incorporated into the mentality of the Others and (quite possibly) is also stable in her time like the rest of the Others? -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
Is it possible that the explanation for all this is something as stupid as various time shifts happening simultaneously and independently from one another, each affecting different groups every time? Like one for the Losties, one for others, one for Dharma and the cabin, which would explain why various "Dead" people or the cabin appear, disappear and re-appear?
Oh and mate, welcomeLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Glad to be here!
I must say your theory is a bit far-fetched! Not impossible none of the less. However, if that is the case, then not only will the Losties will have a massive headache when they find out what's happening but I trust that soon enough our noses will start bleeding as well! -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
Also, the details you mention (most of them i didn't remember, i confess) make me believe even more now, that the writers of the show have opened too many fronts to create zest, awe and fuss around the fanbase but which they'll be unable to ultimately address, nor cover effectively. I'll get back to your points in a while.
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
And they're lots of things that need to be addressed urgently:
1) Why are the sudden time shifts occurring? Because the island was moved or because it was NOT moved by Locke, but Ben did it instead?
2) Why did the Losties have to return back, all?
3) and How is that going to fix things? What'd happen if they didn't return back to save the rest? How are they going to "save" them?
And a minor one: did the 2nd plane actually crash again? In the beginning i thought that a time shift extracted the losties from the plane, but then Jordi reminded me of the new rafts with the airline's logo on them.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Ask Jordi. He´s a total Lost geek. Actually I think he has a new chronic disease,Lostitis.Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
1. The time shifts were occurring because the wheel moved from its original position. Remember, Christian told that to John, right before he moved the wheel. Now, if the wheel moved from its position because Ben turned it and not John, that I don't know. Also, note that the time shifts WERE happening, but I think from 5x6 it's clear they are not happening anymore. The Losties are now trapped in 1970s. If the time shifts kept happening then they would all die by the time Jack and the others got back. Also, Christian said that once the wheel went back to its place, all would be ok. So we are left to assume that once John turned it, the wheel went back to its place and the flashes stopped.
2. Maybe it's like all the other objects. They had to recreate the original crash as closely as the first one as possible. Or maybe "the island needs them all back" and crap like that.
3. Again, the island needs them, it's fate, we were never supposed to leave, blah blah...
4. It seems like the Losties were grabbed from a "time shift". But we know (or assume) that these have stopped happening. Maybe the island just "grabbed them" but nothing changed on the island this time. It's possible that if the plane didn't crash (which explains Ben's cold remark "Who cares?") only the Losties, a couple of other objects (such as the rafts) and a couple of other people (eg. Ceasar) were grabbed from the island because they were "needed". -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Sidenote: planes don't carry rafts. Except if people from the airline came later through the rafts searching for the 2nd missing plane?
2-3: too silly mate. I hope this is NOT what they have in store for us.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Were they proper rafts or inflated ones? Ah, hang on, yes now I remember. Indeed those rafts wouldn't normally be carried by the plane. I thought we were talking about inflated ones. It is possible that someone else brought the rafts and they are not (or are) linked to flight 316. Maybe someone (eg. Sun) had a bottle of water with them when the island "grabbed" them and somehow it ended up on the raft later.
2-3: Too silly I know. My explanation is not that good. But that is something that John would say. What if it has to do with balancing of energy and all that? -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009 edited
That's right, it was a bottle of water that had the logo of the indian airliner on. The rafts were wooden ones, such things CANNOT be caried in a plane such as the Boeing 737 that was the type of the 2nd flight they were in, the Indian airliner*.
* civil aviation nut, your truly. Ask AndreasLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Marselus wrote
Ask Jordi. He´s a total Lost geek. Actually I think he has a new chronic disease,Lostitis.
Lostitis Rocks!
I will take a time to read all this teories, and then I will consult to my partner Damon. -
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- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
Damon? Lindelof?http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeFeb 25th 2009
You are all forgetting the biggest Lost mystery of them all! Where did the survivors get all the tarpaulin for the beach camp from? Planes do not carry tarpaulin!
Anyway, my island moving theory is this:
- The island used to move all the time which is why the survivors were never found
- The button in the hatch probably had something to do with this
- When Desmond used the fail safe key it stopped the island from moving
- This allowed the freighter folk to find the island
- Turning the donkey wheel moved the island once, but something went wrong and the Losties got stuck in the time loop
I'm not quit sure what they need to do now...get the island moving again? -
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
Anthony wrote
You are all forgetting the biggest Lost mystery of them all! Where did the survivors get all the tarpaulin for the beach camp from? Planes do not carry tarpaulin!
Anyway, my island moving theory is this:
- The island used to move all the time which is why the survivors were never found
- The button in the hatch probably had something to do with this
- When Desmond used the fail safe key it stopped the island from moving
- This allowed the freighter folk to find the island
- Turning the donkey wheel moved the island once, but something went wrong and the Losties got stuck in the time loop
I'm not quit sure what they need to do now...get the island moving again?
Eloise Hawking already explained in 5x6 that the island was moving constantly from place to place, which explains why it was never found, why Yemi's plane ended up there, etc... I don't think it was already moving back and forth in time, because when the freighter exploded and the Oceanic 6 left the island, 108 days had passed both on the island and off the island. When Desmond called Penny, it was Xmas both on and off the island. So, we can assume, that until the donkey wheel was turned, the island was only moving in space and not time.
Turning the donkey wheel began causing all the time shifts, which were stabilised (we can assume again) after John put it back into place, leaving the Losties stuck in the 1970s.
Anyone seen the episode 5x7 yet? So we know that 316 fell after all. How did the plane just come to land though and not crash? Why didn't the people seem so shocked? Who is Ceasar and what does he know? Why on earth is John walking around telling people that he was dead?!
And finally: Benjamin Linus Vs Charles Widmore. Who is the good guy and who is the bad guy? Or are they both bad guys perhaps? In this episode we are let to believe that Ben is evil (as usual) but Charles is not that bad after all. Could we be fooled? Is Ben killing John just fulfilling John's destiny? But why wouldn't he just let him kill himself anyway?
Btw, they said that the pilot (Frank Lapidus) and a woman (I'm assuming Sun) took one of the rafts. Ben is wounded. Jack, Kate and Hurley are together. That leaves Sayid unaccounted for. Where did he end up? And is Walt ever going to come back or not? -
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
I haven´t watched 5x07 yet ("The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham), but if you are expecting answers, you´d better wait:
"Rather than providing answers, Wednesday's Locke-centric episode of "Lost" left our recapper with a big pile of questions".Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
I like it; like the old daysLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
I like it; like the old days
Have you seen the trailer for 5x8 yet?! :S -
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
No, i never watch trailers of LOST before the actual episodes. I haven't done as such even once.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
As for the plane landing and all that stuff, i hope it won't be too difficult to shut down the plane looney inside me when nonsense start to fly; the best scenario is that the writers of LOST would have actually consulted a professional so that no nonsense is flying around...like they did with the first crash; it was pretty realistic and plausible, IN TERMS OF TELEVISION entertainment 'cause in real life, nobody would have survived such a crash.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009 edited
Surely the only reason the plane crashed was because they're fresh out of redshirts?
And what's that building they were in at the beginning and end of the episode? Another Dharma station?
And what was with all the confusing shots that made it look like there were multiple islands? Was one meant to be the Hydra or something?
Edit: According to Lostpedia, 316 is supposed to have crashed on the Hydra island. That explains why Frank and Sun took one of the rafts and headed to the main island, and I suppose Locke and crew are going to take the other two (which explains that flash..err...forward(?) a couple of episodes ago). -
- CommentTimeFeb 26th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
As for the plane landing and all that stuff, i hope it won't be too difficult to shut down the plane looney inside me when nonsense start to fly; the best scenario is that the writers of LOST would have actually consulted a professional so that no nonsense is flying around...like they did with the first crash; it was pretty realistic and plausible, IN TERMS OF TELEVISION entertainment 'cause in real life, nobody would have survived such a crash.
Buddy, you're missing the point. Of course nobody would have survived from such a crash!! It's meant to bug us. Same way that people on wheelchairs don't suddenly start walking or dead people rise from the dead! How can it be that most of the passengers on 815 died, whilst a selected few survived with minor injuries?
Also, something else that has been on my mind: Frank Lapidus was meant to fly 815. He didn't. The pilot who did, survived the crash but was instantly killed by the monster. Frank Lapidus came back to the island. Twice. And survived both times. Could the monster possibly have killed the 815 pilot just because he was the "wrong guy"?