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PR: The Hobbit The Desolation of Smaug (Howard Shore)

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  1. This is an interesting case. I thoroughly enjoy this score. (Now playing) All the criticism it is getting here is totally beyond me. However, I see that it gets lots of praise in other places. So I am not alone after all.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013 edited
    Yes, some very logical people seem to have fallen in love with it wink
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  3. Fascinating, Jim! wink
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013 edited
    Demetris wrote
    Yes, some very logical people seem to have fallen in love with it wink


    First you say it's themeless, now you post a link to how it has 200+ theme statements dizzy wink
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013 edited
    Well nothing's stopping lunatics; they'll even discover 200+ themes in a sparse score. And then copyright it and forbid anyone from reproducing the holy list without their permission. wink I am sure that if Shore read that, he'd probably wonder if he actually wrote all that shit.
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  6. Demetris wrote
    Well nothing's stopping lunatics; they'll even discover 200+ themes in a sparse score.

    They won't if they're not there.
  7. Demetris wrote
    And then copyright it and forbid anyone from reproducing the holy list without their permission.


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  8. The score is themeless in the sense that it does not use the Leitmotiv-technique. (Well it does in some places.) Yet it is buzzing with little themes, motives, ideas nontheless. There certainly aren't 200 fully developed themes here. Rediculous thought, that. smile
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Some people are truly fanatical about these films.
    I guess everyone needs a hobby.
    But I can't help but wonder whether it's still fun to approach it like that.
    It seems so....I dunno...forced.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Captain Future wrote
    The score is themeless in the sense that it does not use the Leitmotiv-technique. (Well it does in some places.) Yet it is buzzing with little themes, motives, ideas nontheless. There certainly aren't 200 fully developed themes here. Rediculous thought, that. smile


    smile
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  11. Using the Force in a fantical context sounds really dangerous. wink

    But I agree: We should not take these films too serious. But tell a Tolkien fanatic he should not take this universe all too serious: He will burn you at the stake.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013 edited
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    Demetris wrote
    Well nothing's stopping lunatics; they'll even discover 200+ themes in a sparse score.

    They won't if they're not there.


    Tell that to psychologists and therapists who treat people hearing voices in their heads, seeing dead people in corridors, hearing themes where they aren't any wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013 edited
    Captain Future wrote
    But tell a Tolkien fanatic he should not take this universe all too serious: He will burn you at the stake.


    Yeah, that happened to those who used to criticise that other fantasy classic as well...
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Tell that to psychologists and therapists who treat people hearing voices in their heads, seeing dead people in corridors, hearing themes where they aren't any wink


    I see...sad people....
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013 edited
    Demetris wrote
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    Demetris wrote
    Well nothing's stopping lunatics; they'll even discover 200+ themes in a sparse score.

    They won't if they're not there.


    Tell that to psychologists and therapists who treat people hearing voices in their heads, seeing dead people in corridors, hearing themes where they aren't any wink


    This coming from someone who suddenly liked a score he previously wrote off (Jablonsky's The Island) just because the exact same music was re-ordered in a fake promo. Just because you don't hear the themes doesn't mean they aren't there. wink

    I don't think being more observant than average when listening to music makes one a lunatic. I enjoy studying music by listening multiple times and seeing what hidden patterns emerge.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Wut? Matt, you scare me my friend; you psychotically stick to crap that doesn't matter.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Scribe wrote
    Just because you don't hear the themes doesn't mean they aren't there. wink


    That greatly depends on your definition of a theme, something the soundtrack community at large can't seem to agree on in the first place. slant
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Wut? Matt, you scare me my friend; you psychotically stick to crap that doesn't matter.


    Wut to you also? I just remember me and Hybrid thought it was funny when the fake Island complete score came out and you were all like its such an enjoyable score now even though there was not a single note that wasn't also on the original release that you and everyone else disliked. So that showed me you make claims about scores that aren't always based in reality. Which is perfectly ok, everyone exaggerates, and I've liked every single score you've ever recommended that I tried.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Martijn wrote
    Scribe wrote
    Just because you don't hear the themes doesn't mean they aren't there. wink


    That greatly depends on your definition of a theme, something the soundtrack community at large can't seem to agree on in the first place. slant


    I personally prefer to call them "motifs" because then it doesn't matter if they're one note or fifty. People who see 200 theme statements in a score are really talking about motifs, where the definition is, "a repeating musical device associated with a specific idea in the film, where that idea can be a character, a place, or any abstract concept"
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    What the ruddy hell are you all Tolkien about?
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  21. Did you know, that the name "Tolkien" derives from the German word "tollkühn", meaning "daring"?
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  22. Scribe wrote
    I don't think being more observant than average when listening to music makes one a lunatic. I enjoy studying music by listening multiple times and seeing what hidden patterns emerge.

    yeah

    Seriously. Why judge? If someone wants to put in the effort to delve into a score like that, power to him. We don't call Doug Adams a lunatic, do we? Or musicologists in general? slant

    Although making a list of themes and claiming copyright to it is admittedly a wee bit odd.
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      CommentAuthorStavroula
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Well I don't get into that kind of discussions about music in general. I simply enjoy it or not in a tiny amount of cases. And in the case of Smaug I like the fact that it is different from what I expected! Mr. Shore surprised me! But what's important is what I mentioned above. I enjoy the process of listening. That's why I almost never argue about music. I'll watch the film this weekend I hope!
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013 edited
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    Although making a list of themes and claiming copyright to it is admittedly a wee bit odd.


    I don't know what's up with the copyright, but every community has its dumb dramas...that list, however, I really appreciate the opportunity to listen to the score while reading that list so I can get to know all the theme...I'm sorry, motifs, better.
    I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Timmer wrote
    What the ruddy hell are you all Tolkien about?


    WHat have you been Smauging?
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  26. Gandalf's Special Weed.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  27. Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    It's quite hobbit-forming, or so I've been told.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  29. For a score that has so few themes, there are quite a few music notation examples quoted in the booklet. Maybe they are just motifs?
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2013
    Not sure what you mean, Alan?
    Surely a music notation is just that: a notation of a (bit) piece of music?
    That in itself says nothing about thematic or motivic value. (It may do, but not necessarily so).


    ....or are you just trying to sniff out the downloaders? wink
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn

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