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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Bregt wrote
Southall wrote
Joshua - Nico Muhly
An excellent score from a 26-year-old (!) composer. Really top stuff.
Just had a first listen to this one too. And I really like it. The theme or motif from the first track is so cute and innocent. Not all cues are interesting on ther own, but the atmosphere is excellent. Seldom a sudden scary effects but more a buildup and the use of some creepy techniques on the violins.
I like it!
There are so many ways of scoring "psychological horror" films - and I like this way best. Just gradually building up tension, carefully controlling the atmosphere - and in this case using pretty intellectual musical techniques but not allowing them to become alienating to the standard thick listener like me. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Anthony wrote
Timmer wrote
NP : ROBOCOP - Basil Poledouris
One of the greatest superhero scores written
SUPERMAN being first of course
You mean Badelt's rejected X-Men score didn't top your list?
That would be too unfair! Badelt's rejected score is better than EVERY Superhero score ever written combined.
Absolutely no comparison!On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Go-go-Badelt! You're the man. -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
NP: Casino Royale - David Arnold
The good bits really are very good, but the album is not a good way of presenting the score in its most favourable light. I really do wonder why more people don't go on about this - film music at its best makes for some wonderful albums, but presenting music like this for so long just exposes its weaknesses and gives fuel to the fire of those who belittle our music of choice.
If more scores were released in their complete form I think we'd have an easier time separating the truly GREAT scores from the below average ones. The truly great scores are brilliant in the film and are brilliant as a listening experience from start to finished in it's complete form AWAY from the picture. A lot of the so called BRILLIANT and MASTERPIECE scores we hear on truncated 40-50 minute albums would have a much different classification if heard in complete form. This is why I'm a big supporter of complete and chronological albums.
-Erik-
I've noticed scanning through this topic that there are some additional comments stemming from these original comments - so I may repeat now what's already been said before.
You raise some good points, Erik. And I think that what you highlight is a major difference between the listening experience of an album and the listening experience of a complete score that is chronological order. I think that it's difficult to assess whether a score is a "classic" from just listening to the CD - what you get is an opinion of how catchy the themes are, how effective the individual set-pieces are. But listening to the score from start to finish and in chronological order is the only way that you can hear how themes develop as the story progresses. And to a large extent I think that it is how a composer uses the tools that he has developed for a movie that defines what's great about a specific score. I would think that having a good understanding what's happened in the movie would be needed to be able to suggest that a score is "great" - because an understanding of the plot and how the score fits with the music aids a better understanding of the music and what how the music is used in the movie, how it supports the movie, etc.
It may be easy enough to find 30-45 minutes of "great" music for an album, but there are only a few that are a great listen in their full form - and only a subset of those that would be considered classic.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Southall wrote
Star Trek IV - Leonard Rosenman
Despite its reputation... this is fantastic!
I've listened to most of this on CD since I acquired it a few weeks ago. I used to have this on LP and I'm sure that there was some sound effects that represented the probe in the LP - but it seems to be absent from the CD.
Can anyone else who has heard both the LP and CD confirm this for me?The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorThomas
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Anthony wrote
You mean Badelt's rejected X-Men score didn't top your list?
Ehhm, there is no rejected Badelt score for X-Men... -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
FalkirkBairn wrote
Can anyone else who has heard both the LP and CD confirm this for me?
I've heard the LP.
Unfortunately I have already chucked my old tape copy years ago, but I can't remember for the life of me that that sound effect was included!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Southall wrote
Star Trek IV - Leonard Rosenman
Despite its reputation... this is fantastic!
I don't mind the main theme and some of the more epic set pieces are quite good but the comedic music is my major turn of with the score. I think if Rosenman did a Bernstien and played the comedic action sequence a little more seriously then I think it would easier for film music fans to embrace.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
FalkirkBairn wrote
But listening to the score from start to finish and in chronological order is the only way that you can hear how themes develop as the story progresses.
{SNIP}
It may be easy enough to find 30-45 minutes of "great" music for an album, but there are only a few that are a great listen in their full form - and only a subset of those that would be considered classic.
Well, at least one person understood what I was talking about. Thanks Alan.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorLSH
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
NP: The Tudors - Trevor Morris
A lot of the melodies/motifs/chord progressions sound very familiar, like I've heard them before from other scores but overall this is a nice soothing listen which flows and passes without any particularly memorable highlights.
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- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Martijn wrote
Now playing: gin-rummy.
Because it sounds like booze.
http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Martijn wrote
Now playing: gin-rummy.
Because it sounds like booze.
Yeah, defenitely.Kazoo -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Thomas wrote
Anthony wrote
You mean Badelt's rejected X-Men score didn't top your list?
Ehhm, there is no rejected Badelt score for X-Men...
Seriously?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Thomas wrote
Anthony wrote
You mean Badelt's rejected X-Men score didn't top your list?
Ehhm, there is no rejected Badelt score for X-Men...
Don't spoil our fun! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
Star Trek IV - Leonard Rosenman
Despite its reputation... this is fantastic!
I don't mind the main theme and some of the more epic set pieces are quite good but the comedic music is my major turn of with the score. I think if Rosenman did a Bernstien and played the comedic action sequence a little more seriously then I think it would easier for film music fans to embrace.
-Erik-
The comedy bits are my favourite part! (If you're referring to "Chekov's Run" and "Hospital Chase", that is.) -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Erik Woods wrote
FalkirkBairn wrote
But listening to the score from start to finish and in chronological order is the only way that you can hear how themes develop as the story progresses.
{SNIP}
It may be easy enough to find 30-45 minutes of "great" music for an album, but there are only a few that are a great listen in their full form - and only a subset of those that would be considered classic.
Well, at least one person understood what I was talking about. Thanks Alan.
-Erik-
But... that's exactly what I've been saying for the last ten years! For some reason I thought you were disagreeing with me!
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008 edited
Southall wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
Star Trek IV - Leonard Rosenman
Despite its reputation... this is fantastic!
I don't mind the main theme and some of the more epic set pieces are quite good but the comedic music is my major turn of with the score. I think if Rosenman did a Bernstien and played the comedic action sequence a little more seriously then I think it would easier for film music fans to embrace.
-Erik-
The comedy bits are my favourite part! (If you're referring to "Chekov's Run" and "Hospital Chase", that is.)
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
OK, listening to Star Trek IV again (a great benefit of 26-minute albums is that you can listen to them several times a night) and notice how crummy the sound quality is (and there are some shockingly bad music edits). And... "Score Mixer: Dan Wallin" -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Southall wrote
Erik Woods wrote
FalkirkBairn wrote
But listening to the score from start to finish and in chronological order is the only way that you can hear how themes develop as the story progresses.
{SNIP}
It may be easy enough to find 30-45 minutes of "great" music for an album, but there are only a few that are a great listen in their full form - and only a subset of those that would be considered classic.
Well, at least one person understood what I was talking about. Thanks Alan.
-Erik-
But... that's exactly what I've been saying for the last ten years! For some reason I thought you were disagreeing with me!
I was talking about the whole C&C vs. truncated albums.
Now, I just wrote a huge post going into more detail about why C&C works better than truncated albums but we've beaten that poor dead horse numerous times and my thoughts were just going on and on and on with out any conclusion. I didn't really bring anything new to the table so why say it.
However, I will restate this...
Personally, I want to hear every single note of the score on CD because I feel that gives me the best representation of the score. And if the complete listening experience stinks because of it.. so be it. Like I said, the truly GREAT scores are ones that work their magic in the film and on CD in their complete and chronological form.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Southall wrote
OK, listening to Star Trek IV again (a great benefit of 26-minute albums is that you can listen to them several times a night) and notice how crummy the sound quality is (and there are some shockingly bad music edits). And... "Score Mixer: Dan Wallin"
Noooooooooooo... a crappy sounding Dan Wallin album? Can't be. BTW, guess who will be recording his FOURTH Star Trek score next year...? Yupper, Mr. Wallin.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Personally, I want to hear every single note of the score on CD because I feel that gives me the best representation of the score. And if the complete listening experience stinks because of it.. so be it. Like I said, the truly GREAT scores are ones that work their magic in the film and on CD in their complete and chronological form.
-Erik-
There are some things that separate all groups of people - and one of them is whether they prefer complete albums of film scores or not! If only they would put a proper album presentation on there and then stick the rest of the score as bonus tracks, so people who want that can program it that way, everyone would be happy. But I'm sure I must have mentioned that one or two times in the past as well! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Southall wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Personally, I want to hear every single note of the score on CD because I feel that gives me the best representation of the score. And if the complete listening experience stinks because of it.. so be it. Like I said, the truly GREAT scores are ones that work their magic in the film and on CD in their complete and chronological form.
-Erik-
There are some things that separate all groups of people - and one of them is whether they prefer complete albums of film scores or not! If only they would put a proper album presentation on there and then stick the rest of the score as bonus tracks, so people who want that can program it that way, everyone would be happy. But I'm sure I must have mentioned that one or two times in the past as well!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Now, I just wrote a huge post going into more detail about why C&C works better than truncated albums but we've beaten that poor dead horse numerous times and my thoughts were just going on and on and on with out any conclusion. I didn't really bring anything new to the table so why say it.
I have a great many points to make on this particular issue, and I'm sure you're all most eager to hear them!
Again.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorNautilus
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
NP: Hoist the Colours Suite
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana nanana
tinc
tinc
na na na na na!!!!!!!!! -
- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Nautilus wrote
NP: Hoist the Colours Suite
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana nanana
tinc
tinc
na na na na na!!!!!!!!!
You are sick!Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Nautilus wrote
na na na na na!!!!!!!!!
Huh?'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorNautilus
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Marselus wrote
Nautilus wrote
NP: Hoist the Colours Suite
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana nanana
tinc
tinc
na na na na na!!!!!!!!!
You are sick!
I think you are the only one who has understodd what part Im singing
So you are sick too! -
- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
Nautilus wrote
Marselus wrote
Nautilus wrote
NP: Hoist the Colours Suite
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana nanana
tinc
tinc
na na na na na!!!!!!!!!
You are sick!
I think you are the only one who has understodd what part Im singing
So you are sick too!
Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentAuthorTim (not timmer)
- CommentTimeApr 22nd 2008 edited
Nautilus wrote
NP: Hoist the Colours Suite
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana
Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa na nanana nanana nanana
tinc
tinc
na na na na na!!!!!!!!!
Just tried listening to it on you tube.
Unfortunatly to listen to it, i had to stop listening to "Hyperspace" from the empire strikes back. and very quickly I got bored of the zimmer stuff, so put hyperspace back on after about 45 seconds.
If in doubt, let the wookie win -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeApr 22nd 2008
Southall wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
Star Trek IV - Leonard Rosenman
Despite its reputation... this is fantastic!
I don't mind the main theme and some of the more epic set pieces are quite good but the comedic music is my major turn of with the score. I think if Rosenman did a Bernstien and played the comedic action sequence a little more seriously then I think it would easier for film music fans to embrace.
-Erik-
The comedy bits are my favourite part! (If you're referring to "Chekov's Run" and "Hospital Chase", that is.)
The comedy bits were my favourite bits too!! But at the time when I was originally listening to this score (in the good old LP days) I hadn't heard much of Rosenman's work - maybe just Lord of The Rings - and I didn't appreciate his style.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
