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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
Timon wrote
the new James bond film will be called "Quantum of Solace" ...
That's about the weirdest title since euhm... Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7206997.stm
What a crummy title!On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
tjguitar wrote
No, it is not the same score. It is a totally different listening experience.
It IS the same score, but it is also a totally different listening experience.
3. SHAFT (again, the promo, not the commercial disc)
There was no commercial disk.
There was but it was an OST full of crappy songs. I do need that promo though! -
- CommentAuthortjguitar
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
and by promo, you mean bootleg? -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
tjguitar wrote
and by promo, you mean bootleg?
Well whatever it is, yeah.
I had it ages ago in poor quality but I haven't been able to find a better quality copy since.
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008 edited
Thor wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Good lord! It's the same damn score.
No, it is not the same score. It is a totally different listening experience.
Like TJ said, "It IS the same score, but it is also a totally different listening experience." But you can't dismiss a great score and great writing just because of a terribly produced CD.
Thor wrote
Erik Woods wrote
And do you EVER stop with the hatred towards complete and chronological.
Nope.
Well, like on other boards... it's getting old and annoying... FAST!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorNunoM
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008 edited
1. Independence Day
3. Tomorrow Never Dies
3. Stargate
I haven't heard Godzilla yet, so this is my top 3 Arnold for now. -
- CommentAuthorThomas Glorieux
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
everybody picks here the obvious and absolutely mindblowing scores of Independence Day, Stargate and Godzilla, but I have to say that Last of the Dogmen is an equally brilliant score
waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
Tommy_Boy wrote
everybody picks here the obvious and absolutely mindblowing scores of Independence Day, Stargate and Godzilla, but I have to say that Last of the Dogmen is an equally brilliant score
Sure... it's very good... but Godzilla, ID4 and Stargate are better.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008 edited
tjguitar wrote
It IS the same score, but it is also a totally different listening experience.
Yeah, yeah, but you know what I mean. It could just as well have been a different score.
3. SHAFT (again, the promo, not the commercial disc)
There was no commercial disk.
Yes, there was, but there was no Arnold on it. I mistakenly assumed that there was a single score track on it.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorThomas Glorieux
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Tommy_Boy wrote
everybody picks here the obvious and absolutely mindblowing scores of Independence Day, Stargate and Godzilla, but I have to say that Last of the Dogmen is an equally brilliant score
Sure... it's very good... but Godzilla, ID4 and Stargate are better.
-Erik-
ID4 is one of the top 10 scores of all time, so I don't argue there
Still I find it one of his lost treasureswaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentAuthorKing Rao
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
Timon wrote
the new James bond film will be called "Quantum of Solace" ...
Quantum of Solace?!? What kind of cryptic bull$#*t is that? And how is anyone supposed to work that into a song? -
- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
It will be the first song about the quantum mechanics concerning woman. Very complicated I heard.Kazoo -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
lol, I didn't think about the song...I'm not too sure what rhymes with quantum.
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- CommentAuthorRalph Kruhm
- CommentTimeJan 24th 2008
First update, and it´s a close tie we´ve not had before... (what a surprise ). But if anyone manages to collar Godzilla with a stargate, it´s the Prince from Bel-Air and The Fly in their cool Area 51-spaceship!!!
1st place: Godzilla / Stargate 19 points
2nd place: Independence Day 18 points
Tomorrow Never Dies 12 points
The World Is Not Enough 4 points
Amazing Grace / Casino Royale / Die Another Day 2 points each
Shaft 1 point -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2008 edited
Oops, I missed your post, Erik.
Erik Woods wrote
Like TJ said, "It IS the same score, but it is also a totally different listening experience." But you can't dismiss a great score and great writing just because of a terribly produced CD.
What, do you think I'm stupid? Of course, I know it's the same score. But as I said to TJ, when there is such a big difference in listening experience and pleasure, it could just as well have been something else. I'm not dismissing the score. I'm dismissing the LaLaLand presentation.
Well, like on other boards... it's getting old and annoying... FAST!
Well, I'm sorry, but it's not my fault that C&C releases keep pouring out on the market, and when a score is released in that format that I have a connection to, you can bet your ass I'm going to comment on it, predictable or not.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2008 edited
Thor wrote
Oops, I missed your post, Erik.
Erik Woods wrote
Like TJ said, "It IS the same score, but it is also a totally different listening experience." But you can't dismiss a great score and great writing just because of a terribly produced CD.
What, do you think I'm stupid? Of course, I know it's the same score. But as I said to TJ, when there is such a big difference in listening experience and pleasure, it could just as well have been something else. I'm not dismissing the score. I'm dismissing the LaLaLand presentation.
Don't punish the composer or the score for a terrible CD presentation which is what you are doing.
Thor wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Well, like on other boards... it's getting old and annoying... FAST!
Well, I'm sorry, but it's not my fault that C&C releases keep pouring out on the market, and when a score is released in that format that I have a connection to, you can bet your ass I'm going to comment on it, predictable or not.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthortjguitar
- CommentTimeJan 25th 2008
I'm not dismissing the score. I'm dismissing the LaLaLand presentation.
Yes...BUUUUUT the Poll was for BEST SCORE. Not BEST CD PRESENTATION or BEST CD RELEASE. So I don't see the reason why one needs to specify which cd release or what not---any film he scored was game, including those which never had any release---hell you listed one, "Shaft".
I think you are overthinking the question, then again maybe I am overthinking your responses. :D -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008 edited
Erik Woods wrote
Don't punish the composer or the score for a terrible CD presentation which is what you are doing.
Huh? How so? You DID see that I put this score among my top three Arnold favourites, right? David Arnold is best! GODZILLA as a score rocks! LaLaLand's presentation, however, does not. Can I make it any clearer? That I said it could "just as well have been a different score" because the 2CD release often ends up in displeasure while the old promo thing always ended up in pure pleasure was an indirect criticism of the presentation, not the music itself. Geezes. It was just a rhetorical phrasing.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008 edited
tjguitar wrote
Yes...BUUUUUT the Poll was for BEST SCORE. Not BEST CD PRESENTATION or BEST CD RELEASE. So I don't see the reason why one needs to specify which cd release or what not---any film he scored was game, including those which never had any release---hell you listed one, "Shaft".
I think you are overthinking the question, then again maybe I am overthinking your responses. :D
That's why I asked earlier if we're talking soundtrack albums or how they work in the film. I can't remember who replied, but I think it was specified that we're talking soundtrack ALBUMS here, and that is reflected in my list. The SHAFT score was released as a promo and consequently qualifies as an album (heck, even a BOOTLEG would qualify as an album if no other release existed).I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorRalph Kruhm
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008 edited
Holy crap... if I had foreseen this...
Guys, I´ve no idea whether you should vote about a score´s effect on the film, the soundtrack album, the complete presentation or the 30 sec audio clips from amazon. I think what´s behind the Top Three is in a much simpler way very obvious: Do you like what David Arnold wrote for Godzilla or not?!? And do you like that more or less than other works by him. I never specified that because I didn´t think I would have to. It all comes down to the question whether a specific part of the score that you like is really less likable just because there is MORE music from the movie somewhere else... If there´s a track that I think is the fucking best five minutes ever written I won´t say it´s shit just because there are 40 uninteresting minutes around it. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008 edited
Ralph Kruhm wrote
Holy crap... if I had foreseen this...
Guys, I´ve no idea whether you should vote about a score´s effect on the film, the soundtrack album, the complete presentation or the 30 sec audio clips from amazon. I think what´s behind the Top Three is in a much simpler way very obvious: Do you like what David Arnold wrote for Godzilla or not?!? And do you like that more or less than other works by him. I never specified that because I didn´t think I would have to. It all comes down to the question whether a specific part of the score that you like is really less likable just because there is MORE music from the movie somewhere else... If there´s a track that I think is the fucking best five minutes ever written I won´t say it´s shit just because there are 40 uninteresting minutes around it.
Well, to me it's an important distinction because my top three score list from any composer would in most cases look totally different depending on if we talked album or film. But after that earlier response, I have decided to make my lists based SOLELY on the soundtrack album experience, and I don't really care what anyone else does.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
Ralph Kruhm wrote
Do you like what David Arnold wrote for Godzilla or not?!?
Bingo! That's all that matter here.
-Erik-
PS - The complete 2CD release of Godzilla by La La Land Records is nothing but brilliant! Blows that old "promo" out of the water.host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
Thor wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Don't punish the composer or the score for a terrible CD presentation which is what you are doing.
Huh? How so? You DID see that I put this score among my top three Arnold favourites, right? David Arnold is best! GODZILLA as a score rocks! LaLaLand's presentation, however, does not. Can I make it any clearer? That I said it could "just as well have been a different score" because the 2CD release often ends up in displeasure while the old promo thing always ended up in pure pleasure was an indirect criticism of the presentation, not the music itself. Geezes. It was just a rhetorical phrasing.
I wasn't only commenting on Godzilla here. Let's me rephrase. You shouldn't punish ANY composer or score because of a terribly produced CD which you do ALL THE TIME!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
I wasn't only commenting on Godzilla here. Let's me rephrase. You shouldn't punish ANY composer or score because of a terribly produced CD which you do ALL THE TIME!
-Erik-
What you have been smoking? I can't see that I've EVER done that. Please be specific.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
La-La Land's album of Godzilla is co-produced by David Arnold... -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
Southall wrote
La-La Land's album of Godzilla is co-produced by David Arnold...
Well, in that case, he is to be blamed too. However, I seem to remember reading an interview somewhere that he didn't really get the fans' desire to get the score in C&C format and that he - like most composers - prefer to arrange albums for listening, but that he caved in to popular demand in this case. Anyone else remember the interview?I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
Found it! It was right here at maintitles.net:
"I was disappointed when it didn’t get released and I’d have preferred it if it had come out at the time when the film came out. I still don’t really know why it didn’t, but it is fantastic it got released 10 years later! It is incredibly long! I can’t even remember writing half of that stuff but it’s a huge amount of music! I could never listen to it in one go, but sure it’s good for the people who are kind of collectors and the fans of film music to have everything, and it is pretty much everything, everything that was ever recorded is on that CD"
http://www.maintitles.net/features/inte … d-wsa-2007I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
David Arnold wrote
I could never listen to it in one go
Join the club, David! The release is at least an hour too long, let's face it. I really like the music, but I doubt I will ever listen to it again, because of the way it was released. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
Southall wrote
David Arnold wrote
I could never listen to it in one go
Join the club, David! The release is at least an hour too long, let's face it. I really like the music, but I doubt I will ever listen to it again, because of the way it was released.
Yup, that's my point too.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
Thor wrote
Erik Woods wrote
I wasn't only commenting on Godzilla here. Let's me rephrase. You shouldn't punish ANY composer or score because of a terribly produced CD which you do ALL THE TIME!
-Erik-
What you have been smoking? I can't see that I've EVER done that. Please be specific.
You have stated this countless times at various film music message board. Do you deny this?
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!