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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Ah, now I understand why they´ve gone back to Elfman.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
  2. Marselus wrote
    Indeed. A re-acceptance of a previously rejected score? (who was doing the replacement score by the way?)Had it happened before?


    Not going as far as to try to reinstate a previously hired composer (though, Justin?), but an overall messy situation happened to the first White Fang movie, scored by Poledouris.

    Poledouris' score got rejected and Hans Zimmer got quickly hired, in the end about 80% of Poledouris's score was reinstated, 15% (including the popular piece called, I think, Ascent, a string/trumpet piece available on numerous Zimmer compilation bootlegs (one of Follow Your Dreams, not sure if the first one or the Mancina collaboration one), and 5% was done by Shirley Walker. I take the numbers by heart from Justin's site, so I may be wrong.
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Wow, it was indeed a messy situation shocked
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
  4. Zimmer had an intense 1-2 weeks of work just to see most of his score rejected. I think he is still pissed off at Jeffrey Katzenberg for that.
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  5. Marselus wrote
    Indeed. A re-acceptance of a previously rejected score? (who was doing the replacement score by the way?)Had it happened before?


    Off the top of my head -- without searching my Rejected Scores site:

    "Wings of the Dove"
    "Far North"

    and "I don't know if he recorded anything" David Newman/Christophe Beck situation on the first "Pink Panther" re-visioning.
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Marselus wrote
    Indeed. A re-acceptance of a previously rejected score? (who was doing the replacement score by the way?)Had it happened before?


    Timmer wrote
    Paul Haslinger ( no, me neither ).


    Only he could have caused something like that, such a hilarious situation. The man clearly has no place in film music and he should take a couple of more names with him. Any suggestions ? wink
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    YES! But it would upset some people here. biggrin wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Timmer wrote
    YES! But it would upset some people here. biggrin wink

    Oh please, do it.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010 edited
    Timmer wrote
    YES! But it would upset some people here. biggrin wink


    Oh come on, you shouldn't be ashamed...it's easy to say what you have in mind........come on, with me...........T_l__ B_t_s





    See? It wasn't too difficult wink
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Yeah, he's one.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  11. Just two? Can each of the two people he takes with him, in turn take two people? That way we can get rid of:

    Tyler Bates
    B.T.
    RZA
    and ... well, at this point I'll just piss some people off, so... ;-)
    The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else.
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010 edited
    Timmer wrote
    Yeah, he's one.

    You won´t dare....
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    justin boggan wrote
    Just two? Can each of the two people he takes with him, in turn take two people? That way we can get rid of:

    Tyler Bates
    B.T.
    RZA
    and ... well, at this point I'll just piss some people off, so... ;-)


    biggrin devil
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Marselus wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Yeah, he's one.

    You won´t dare....


    devil
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    justin boggan wrote
    Just two? Can each of the two people he takes with him, in turn take two people? That way we can get rid of:

    Tyler Bates
    B.T.
    RZA
    and ... well, at this point I'll just piss some people off, so... ;-)


    I don't know much about Tyler Bates, but BT and RZA are immensely talented at what they do, some of the most exciting voices in film music right now (although neither of them do that much film work to begin with).
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    I wouldn't say exciting.

    I have heard their work on Derailed for example, and that was seriously derailed from 'interesting' or 'i want to hear more'
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Bregt wrote
    I wouldn't say exciting.

    I have heard their work on Derailed for example, and that was seriously derailed from 'interesting' or 'i want to hear more'


    Haven't seen DERAILED yet, but that was a Shearmur score complemented by some RZA songs. I'd recommend GHOST DOG instead, where RZA also provides the score.

    BT's music for STEALTH is fun (tasty electronica done by a connsaiseur, not some second-rate wannabe copy by a traditional composer who doesn't know what he's doing), and MONSTER was mood pr. excellence.

    Paul Oakenfold's scores are cool too.

    I just wish these people did more for film.
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010
    Hmmm. Stealth was about half MediaVentures (since there were 4 orchestrators of MV), clearly noticeable in the sound. It had some cool tracks though, but I found it rather time not well spent. Monster was indeed a good one! But I don't really have the need to hear more of those. Perhaps they got the wrong movies?
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2010 edited
    Bregt wrote
    Hmmm. Stealth was about half MediaVentures (since there were 4 orchestrators of MV), clearly noticeable in the sound.


    Well, of course he's got collaborators, but it's all BT, even the parts that sound MV-ish. BT (Brian Transeau) is classically trained.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    Thor wrote
    BT's music for STEALTH is fun (tasty electronica done by a connsaiseur, not some second-rate wannabe copy by a traditional composer who doesn't know what he's doing), and MONSTER was mood pr. excellence.


    Monster's OK... but Stealth I found very average. If he's really a connoiseur of electronica, I'd have hoped he would have done it a bit better than that (it was the right approach for the film, but the end product betrayed a lack of dramatic awareness and I assumed it was just someone playing around on a computer - a far cry from what I thought a capable electronic composer might deliver). Not hearing whatever it is that prompted you to call him one of the most exciting voices in film music!
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    I think BT's unreleased score for Under Suspicion is really good, something he hasn't quite surpassed ever since.

    Anyhow, I would've loved to see Joe Johnston's face when hearing Hasslinger's replacement score. Must be along the lines of "WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!".
  22. Bregt wrote
    I wouldn't say exciting.

    I have heard their work on Derailed for example, and that was seriously derailed from 'interesting' or 'i want to hear more'


    DERAILED is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Blah.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    Southall wrote
    Thor wrote
    BT's music for STEALTH is fun (tasty electronica done by a connsaiseur, not some second-rate wannabe copy by a traditional composer who doesn't know what he's doing), and MONSTER was mood pr. excellence.


    Monster's OK... but Stealth I found very average. If he's really a connoiseur of electronica, I'd have hoped he would have done it a bit better than that (it was the right approach for the film, but the end product betrayed a lack of dramatic awareness and I assumed it was just someone playing around on a computer - a far cry from what I thought a capable electronic composer might deliver). Not hearing whatever it is that prompted you to call him one of the most exciting voices in film music!


    Well, we'll agree to disagree on that one.

    As I said, I liked the electronic "class" of it (evident in the "Main Titles, for example) which you rarely see when non-specialists try their hands at the idiom. Also, I thought the rest of it was fun, esp. the orchestral/MV-style elements. But of course, it's no masterpiece. I'd rather recommend MONSTER, the ambient-cum-classical UNDER SUSPICION and the moody, ethereal CATCH AND RELEASE.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    Bregt wrote
    I wouldn't say exciting.

    I have heard their work on Derailed for example, and that was seriously derailed from 'interesting' or 'i want to hear more'


    DERAILED is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Blah.


    Its score is really good though. A darker version of K-pax.

    Southall wrote
    Thor wrote
    BT's music for STEALTH is fun (tasty electronica done by a connsaiseur, not some second-rate wannabe copy by a traditional composer who doesn't know what he's doing), and MONSTER was mood pr. excellence.


    Monster's OK... but Stealth I found very average. If he's really a connoiseur of electronica, I'd have hoped he would have done it a bit better than that (it was the right approach for the film, but the end product betrayed a lack of dramatic awareness and I assumed it was just someone playing around on a computer - a far cry from what I thought a capable electronic composer might deliver). Not hearing whatever it is that prompted you to call him one of the most exciting voices in film music!


    Stealth is very average? Boy you're kind! For me, it's absolutely horrible, next to what Djawadi does for the films he "scores". If you want to hear meaningful electronica, go for Asche and Spencer, Shearmur and of course David Julyan and John Murphy. He has a lot to learn from them.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Stealth is very average? Boy you're kind! For me, it's absolutely horrible, next to what Djawadi does for the films he "scores". If you want to hear meaningful electronica, go for Asche and Spencer, Shearmur and of course David Julyan and John Murphy. He has a lot to learn from them.


    All of those are fine composers in their own right, but obviously can't hold a candle to BT when it comes to the PURE electronica arena, of course, which is his specialist field in which he's considered one of the more important contemporary figures. It would be like saying John Corigliano could learn orchestral composition from Britney Spears (well, not quite, but you get the drift).
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    Interesting. Can you provide some good articles on Bt and his contributions? I am not aware of this status in the electronica department, i'd be interested to research a bit. As for film music, he should stay away. Electronica is one thing, film music has wholly different requirements (and i don't mean writing for orchestra, or in 'classical' ways or anything).
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthoradam
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    I know what you're getting at, Thor... some of the electronic dance music made by film composers who otherwise don't touch the genre is, quite simply, lame... BT comes from that background, so if you can count on him to do anything with authority, it's electronic music with dance roots. There's a certain visceral simplicity inherent in the genre that more classically trained composers can't seem to wrap their heads around. It's not about notes and instruments, it's about pure dumb energy.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    .....which rarely has place in films, at least most of them. Film music is not about dumb energy, it's about being able to follow the narrative and the drama, underline and bring out the best of cinematic qualities of each scene , the power of the dialogue and the on-screen happenings. It's not supposed to be standalone dance music that ignores what's going on on screen and at best sound like a cheap rc hack (stealth).
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  29. Christodoulides wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Bregt wrote
    I wouldn't say exciting.

    I have heard their work on Derailed for example, and that was seriously derailed from 'interesting' or 'i want to hear more'


    DERAILED is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Blah.


    Its score is really good though. A darker version of K-pax.


    At the risk of seeming a tad extremist, I will never have anything to do with any part of that film again. I don't care if John Williams scored it! wink
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2010
    smile I am glad i haven't watched it then. You could do so as well, it's called reviews wink
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