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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Sorry to hear that, Thor. Not good! Does it get better?
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Southall wrote
    Sorry to hear that, Thor. Not good! Does it get better?


    The contrary, I'm afraid. But I'll enjoy the time that I have. It is actually complete silence which is the big enemy...some kind of soothing background music often helps.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Hmmm....sounds very much like a connection with your mouth condition which -if memory serves- was infection/bacteria-related? If that link hasn't been established yet, I'd strongly suggest it to your specialist.

    Tinnitus per se isn't too bad (especially when you only really notice it in dead quiet).
    My whole family suffers from it in one way or another (though it's a very high-pitched tone in my case, which can be annoying when trying to get to sleep). But it's not so bad as to actually hamper me in any way.
    In fact I only notice it when I concentrate on it.

    How bad is it?
    Is it a proper ringing? And is it constant?
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010 edited
    Yes, most of the times bacteria can cause this, fungus in the ear, penetration of the eardrum, fluids, foreign objects and such. You have to find out what's causing it...

    "Tinnitus is not a disease but a symptom resulting from a range of underlying causes that can include ear infections, foreign objects or wax in the ear, nose allergies that prevent (or induce) fluid drain and cause wax build-up. Tinnitus can also be caused by natural hearing impairment (as in aging) (...)" (wiki)
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Hmmm....sounds very much like a connection with your mouth condition which -if memory serves- was infection/bacteria-related? If that link hasn't been established yet, I'd strongly suggest it to your specialist.

    Tinnitus per se isn't too bad (especially when you only really notice it in dead quiet).
    My whole family suffers from it in one way or another (though it's a very high-pitched tone in my case, which can be annoying when trying to get to sleep). But it's not so bad as to actually hamper me in any way.
    In fact I only notice it when I concentrate on it.

    How bad is it?
    Is it a proper ringing? And is it constant?


    The ringing is proper (especially evident for many hours after those flights), but it's not constant yet. It's on and off; typical of the early stage. I mentioned the mouth thing to the ear doctor, but he doubted it had anything to do with it, since that illness is only about a year old. I'll mention it again for my oral specialist when I meet her again too, though. He DID say that the canal between nose and ear was very narrow, though, and that this been a contributing factor to the ailment.

    Has your tone reached the stage of constant presence yet?
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Yes. It has.
    And in fact I greatly prefer that over any intermittent interference: the brain is very adept in "filtering out" constant noise.

    Though, as said, it's not really at the stage where it's actually and actively causing discomfort. I have no idea how it would compare to yours at this time, but -with your reference to a quiet room- it seems comparable (although it's not a ringing. Just a very high-pitched sort of whine. Almost electronic in semblance).
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Fuck. Now I can't stop hearing it. dizzy :vangogh:
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    Yes. It has.
    And in fact I greatly prefer that over any intermittent interference: the brain is very adept in "filtering out" constant noise.



    Very true, although it needs training and time. It's called 'selective hearing' in psychoacoustics.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Very true, although it needs training

    Hmmm...not really (well, not in my case at any rate).
    Just got used to it. Sheer habituation.

    and time.


    This is true. slant
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Well, it depends on the nature of the interfering sound. It's pitch (frequency), its nature, its loudness in dB. In any case, depending on the seriousness of the case, it might training and certainly time.

    Martijn, Thor, depending on the nature of the problem (as long as they find out what causes it (or in most cases where this is really difficult to determine, they just find out on what type of disorder you have in your hearing system)), doctors usually advice cortisone dosages for a max of one month for each curing period but it's harmful to the body so it must be done in moderation, and it diminishes metabolism’s rate on most people, thus needs a lot of care if you don't want to gain a lot of weight at the running time of the cortisone therapy.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010 edited
    Unless it gets a lot worse I'm OK with it, with a minimum of fuss.
    I've always been prone to the whole throat/nose/ear connection thing, with structural nose colds and ear stoppages from my youngest years, so I guess one therapy is not going to make much difference.

    And Dutch medicine is extremely hesitant (to the amazement and annoyance of some of my foreign friends, one of whom actually got into a fight with her doctor because he wouldn't prescribe her antibiotics for a throat infection biggrin ) : any therapy that could actually do any harm is postponed until there's absolutely, positively no other alternative.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    "any therapy that could actually do any harm is postponed until there's absolutely, positively no other alternative."

    I can't tell you how much i agree with that. Here in Greece, pharmacies are like candy stores. And there's a lot of people who over-do it on antibiotics for the slightest of silly reasons, resulting in much bigger harm, long-term.

    As for the hearing thing, from what you tell me it sounds like there might be excessive fluilds in the rhino-ear systems, causing this? I am no doctor of course, but we've done some pretty good courses during the master's degree lately, covering those issues. And my teacher who can't accept having hearing problems due to the nature of his work (he's working with electro-acoustic measurements and sound engineering) managed to completely fight off some similar problems he had last year using cortisone.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Good info, D.
    Thanks. I'll take that to the doc next time I visit.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorplindboe
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Sorry to hear that, Thor. Must be quite a shock, when you depend so much on your hearing. Hopefully you'll come to live with it, like Martijn, not feeling bothered by it. Just be careful with too loud music, especially via earphones, so it doesn't get worse. Probably also a good idea to use earplugs when drilling or vacuum cleaning etc. I already do that, even though I have no tinnitus diagnosis.

    Makes me wonder whether I have tinnitus too, since I sometimes notice some high-pitched ringing in my ears. I used to listen to very loud music when I was a kid, so perhaps that is the reason. It doesn't really bother me in my daily life though. Wonder whether there's any reason to go to the doctor, since I'm already protecting myself against loud noises, and since I'm not really bothered by it.

    Peter smile
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Always be careful with ear-headphones, esp. the plug type. Also avoid using other's headsets and keep yours clean. Funguses are nasty bitches and are very easy to catch when you use other people's earphones.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    plindboe wrote
    Sorry to hear that, Thor. Must be quite a shock, when you depend so much on your hearing. Hopefully you'll come to live with it, like Martijn, not feeling bothered by it. Just be careful with too loud music, especially via earphones, so it doesn't get worse. Probably also a good idea to use earplugs when drilling or vacuum cleaning etc. I already do that, even though I have no tinnitus diagnosis.

    Makes me wonder whether I have tinnitus too, since I sometimes notice some high-pitched ringing in my ears. I used to listen to very loud music when I was a kid, so perhaps that is the reason. It doesn't really bother me in my daily life though. Wonder whether there's any reason to go to the doctor, since I'm already protecting myself against loud noises, and since I'm not really bothered by it.

    Peter smile


    I'm surprised I didn't get it after so many loud rock & pop gigs, hell, The Rolling Stones sent me deaf for nearly a week.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, it depends on the nature of the interfering sound. It's pitch (frequency), its nature, its loudness in dB. In any case, depending on the seriousness of the case, it might training and certainly time.

    Martijn, Thor, depending on the nature of the problem (as long as they find out what causes it (or in most cases where this is really difficult to determine, they just find out on what type of disorder you have in your hearing system)), doctors usually advice cortisone dosages for a max of one month for each curing period but it's harmful to the body so it must be done in moderation, and it diminishes metabolism’s rate on most people, thus needs a lot of care if you don't want to gain a lot of weight at the running time of the cortisone therapy.


    My ear doctor talked about another alternative...a special kind of earplug device that offers a "counter-sound" or something. He said I should take more tests in a few months and if the condition had worsened, I could try one of those.
    I am extremely serious.
  1. Sorry to sound like a fool, but what is tinnitus?

    Sorry to hear about what must be something awful, judging by the reactions.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    It's a constant and annoying noise in (one of) your ears.
    It may take the form of ringing or whisteling.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    google it wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorStavroula
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Coming to think about it, I have the same things since I was about ten and I don't "hear" it anymore. I've learnt how to filter it.
    Whatever you gaze rests on,do not use your vision, but the eyes of your soul...She knows better...
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010 edited
    Stavroula wrote
    Coming to think about it, I have the same things since I was about ten and I don't "hear" it anymore. I've learnt how to filter it.


    Everyone has these buzzing or beeping noises in their ears once in a while (that come and go quickly), plus everyone can hear some kind of buzzing noise if they stay perfectly still and just listen to their own body. However, tinnitus is a defined condition that is a bit worse than that. It's actually one long BEEP (as in your alarm clock beep), usually at a high pitch that goes on forever. Mine isn't quite there yet, thankfully. On good days, it sounds a bit like the sound from an oldfashioned TV ("fat screen") on mute, if that makes sense?
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorStavroula
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Yes it does make sense. I hope that somehow it will get better for you! smile
    Whatever you gaze rests on,do not use your vision, but the eyes of your soul...She knows better...
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    As a matter of interest, Thor, is it both ears or just the one?
    And if it's both ears, is it equally loud?
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    That sounds annoying. Sorry to hear you having that.

    slant
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    As a matter of interest, Thor, is it both ears or just the one?
    And if it's both ears, is it equally loud?


    Yes, it's both ears, but according to the tests, the left is worse off (strange, because I've often felt the right was worse).
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010 edited
    Tests?!?
    They can do tests???

    I never heard that!
    Could you elaborate a bit on those?
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010 edited
    Thor wrote
    Everyone has these buzzing or beeping noises in their ears once in a while (that come and go quickly), plus everyone can hear some kind of buzzing noise if they stay perfectly still and just listen to their own body.


    That's 2 things:

    1) the air particles lightly hitting on the eardrum and which can be heard (or felt) in perfect-silence conditions after a time-limit of concentration, usually 5-10 minutes or so. and
    2) the sound of the three middle ear bones (The Ossicles --> The middle ear contains three tiny bones known as the ossicles: malleus, incus, and stapes) which transmit the air-pressure induced movement (i.e. sound as mechanical energy) to the inner ear and the cochlea.

    It's not exactly buzzing noise, more like a very, very subtle and quiet veil of white noise.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    Tests?!?
    They can do tests???

    I never heard that!
    Could you elaborate a bit on those?


    He put some kind of instrument into my ear (that measured something....could it be pressure?), he looked down my throat and nose to discover the narrow canal between nose and ear, and there was of course the standard listening test, which revealed a damage in the left ear, first and foremost (certain frequencies dropped out). Don't ask me about details...I just went along for it all. smile
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    It's not exactly buzzing noise, more like a very, very subtle and quiet veil of white noise.


    I always thought it was listening to one's own bloodstream or something (the "flow"-like noise you hear when you put your hands over your ears)....
    I am extremely serious.