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- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 19th 2012
PawelStroinski wrote
Too dark?
A bit yes. But mostly too massive and whimsical.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 19th 2012
Erik Woods wrote
Thor wrote
NP: STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (John Williams)
Interestingly, my least favourite score of the original trilogy, while it seems to be the opposite for everyone else and their grandmother.
Cuck-fucking-coo!
-Erik-
It's still a fantastic score, though. When I say it's the least favourite of the three, that's like saying who your least favourite hot porn actress is.
I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 19th 2012
PawelStroinski wrote
To James: I think the best composer doing the traditional narrative is still John Williams and of course he also adds a lot of depth to that narrative by his impeccable usage of thematic material.
I've been formulating a thought on this subject that I'm not yet brave enough to share.
I do think Williams is the best (ever) at the whole "musical commentary" thing - the film does A, so the music does A. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Thor wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Too dark?
A bit yes. But mostly too massive and whimsical.
I fail to see the problem here.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012 edited
Southall wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
To James: I think the best composer doing the traditional narrative is still John Williams and of course he also adds a lot of depth to that narrative by his impeccable usage of thematic material.
I've been formulating a thought on this subject that I'm not yet brave enough to share.
I do think Williams is the best (ever) at the whole "musical commentary" thing - the film does A, so the music does A.
To complete my earlier (somewhat facile) point - Williams is at the 2012 end of the line started by Max Steiner. Again, it's a very different line from the Alex North > Jerry Goldsmith > lots of others line. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012 edited
John Williams in the correct line. FACT!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Southall wrote
franz_conrad wrote
And for my next experiment, I will now quote all the long posts made since my last.
How did the experiment turn out?
The aim was achieved.
A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Thor wrote
It's still a fantastic score, though. When I say it's the least favourite of the three, that's like saying who your least favourite hot porn actress is.
Is there no classier comparison?A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
franz_conrad wrote
Thor wrote
It's still a fantastic score, though. When I say it's the least favourite of the three, that's like saying who your least favourite hot porn actress is.
Is there no classier comparison?
No.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Thor wrote
franz_conrad wrote
Thor wrote
It's still a fantastic score, though. When I say it's the least favourite of the three, that's like saying who your least favourite hot porn actress is.
Is there no classier comparison?
No.
She is your least favourite? -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Maybe not, but she's classy!
I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
I see no evidence to the contrary! -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Erik Woods wrote
What is the definitive Superman theme then?
-Erik-
There aren't any. I would say that Williams' version has been most influential. Jay Gruska's version for the 90s TV Series was really good. Really catchy, fun, and very much in the same vein. But the TV series was also very inspired by the Donner interpretation.
It's like the comic book artist interpretation. I like Alex Ross's iconic style of Superman, though it doesn't make it the definitive version of Superman, even if it has inspired many others. There's no definitive version. Or take Jim Lee and Chris Claremont's 90s reboot of X-Men. It's my favorite version of those characters. Though other fans would prefer the John Byrne version. Or take the famous example of Moebius' version of Silver Surfer vs Kirby's version, which one is better? Wanna fight about it?
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- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
DreamTheater wrote
You are right, and I know it, I'm just too stubborn to acknowledge that, while I'm impulse-posting like I do sometimes. Tastes and preferences are nothing to argue about. What we can argue about is the quality of the music. And there's no point denying that the quality of Superman surpasses the quality of Zimmer's Batman in every domain.
I'll only agree to the statement that each series' interpretation of their characters deserved the scores that they received.
DreamTheater wrote
Ask yourself this question: what score will stand the test of time, and be remembered the longest? Superman is like a classical piece of work, a symphonic tour de force, that is rich in themes, creativity, melody, and moments of beauty and grandeur. I'm sure in 100 years time, it will have its own set of fans, posting away on futuristic forums about the merits of superhero scores, and which ones they think have remained timeless. Superman will be the most mentioned.
That could be true. I'll be dead by then, that's for sure. -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Erik Woods wrote
Where is the fun in that?
-Erik-
Ten to twelve years ago, I would have tried to argue incessantly. But I'm tired most days now to even bother. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
lp said :- Or take the famous example of Moebius' version of Silver Surfer vs Kirby's version, which one is better? Wanna fight about it?
YES! Because neither is anywhere near the sublime John Buscema version!
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Timmer wrote
lp said :- Or take the famous example of Moebius' version of Silver Surfer vs Kirby's version, which one is better? Wanna fight about it?
YES! Because neither is anywhere near the sublime John Buscema version!
I prefer the Ron Lim version, to be honest.
Gut Punch! -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Erik Woods wrote
I think Horner does just fine with his understanding of a picture. Sure, he plays the emotional elements in full force at times but I love it when the music wants to tell you something even though it's evident on screen as to what is happening. I love that extra little jolt; that extra bit of emotional manipulation.
-Erik-
My thoughts exactly, or why some of the favourite movies have also the best music playing in the background. Or other cases where music works so well that it improves the movie immeasurably."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
NP: RETURN OF THE JEDI (John Williams)
My favourite of 'em all -- all six.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Here is my preferred order:
1. Empire
2. Star Wars
3. Jedi
4. Menace
5. Revenge
6. Attack
1 and 2 are at the very top but Empire is simply unbeatable, 3 isn't far behind however.
I would place Joel McNeely's 'Shadows of the Empire' between 3 and 4, as that is a phenomenal work and maybe the best thing he has ever done."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Mine is:
1. RETURN OF THE JEDI
2. STAR WARS
3. THE PHANTOM MENACE
4. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
5. ATTACK OF THE CLONES
6. REVENGE OF THE NERDSI am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012 edited
Timmer wrote
lp said :- Or take the famous example of Moebius' version of Silver Surfer vs Kirby's version, which one is better? Wanna fight about it?
YES! Because neither is anywhere near the sublime John Buscema version!
Do you guys know who and where wrote that fight scene?
I guess a lot of people will be able to say where is that scene, but I wonder how many would be able to say *who* wrote it.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorAtham
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
DreamTheater wrote
Here is my preferred order:
1. Empire
2. Star Wars
3. Jedi
4. Menace
5. Revenge
6. Attack
1 and 2 are at the very top but Empire is simply unbeatable, 3 isn't far behind however.
I would place Joel McNeely's 'Shadows of the Empire' between 3 and 4, as that is a phenomenal work and maybe the best thing he has ever done.
100% Ditto!!!
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
lp wrote
Timmer wrote
lp said :- Or take the famous example of Moebius' version of Silver Surfer vs Kirby's version, which one is better? Wanna fight about it?
YES! Because neither is anywhere near the sublime John Buscema version!
I prefer the Ron Lim version, to be honest.
Gut Punch!
WHOOOOOSH! straight over my head I'm not familiar with Ron Lim's version, I never bought the comic when the character was relaunched in his own title back in the 80's, I like Lim's style though.
I never liked Kirby's version even though he was first to draw him ( in Fantastic Four ), Buscema is the artist who refined and defined him, scaling down the usually over-muscled look of most heroic characters.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
PawelStroinski wrote
Timmer wrote
lp said :- Or take the famous example of Moebius' version of Silver Surfer vs Kirby's version, which one is better? Wanna fight about it?
YES! Because neither is anywhere near the sublime John Buscema version!
Do you guys know who and where wrote that fight scene?
I guess a lot of people will be able to say where is that scene, but I wonder how many would be able to say *who* wrote it.
If you're talking about our comics discussion then Stan Lee is your answer, otherwise I don't know what you're on about?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
The fight scene comes from Tony Scott's Crimson Tide and it was a case of a very quick script doctoring by a certain man called Quentin Tarantino. Tarantino wrote all the cultural references in the movie. There was also a very relevant scene establishing characters which was fed to the producers *on the phone* by nobody else than Robert Towne.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
PawelStroinski wrote
The fight scene comes from Tony Scott's Crimson Tide and it was a case of a very quick script doctoring by a certain man called Quentin Tarantino. Tarantino wrote all the cultural references in the movie. There was also a very relevant scene establishing characters which was fed to the producers *on the phone* by nobody else than Robert Towne.
Yes I did know that, you could have referenced it better.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
Yeah, should have quoted lp's original post.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
p.s. Denzil should have known that Buscema's is the best Silver Surfer.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeJul 20th 2012
STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE - DISC 2
The 1979 album presentation is GREAT !!! The cues are out of order, it nevertheless plays brilliantly, the mastering job on this is first-rate ! Love this presentation.
The early versions of certain cues are a really cool addition to this set, even though the final versions are way better. But it's interesting to hear the developments in a track such as 'The Enterprise' how it originally didn't have that elegant and wondrous build-up."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
