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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
lp wrote
NP: A Good Day To Die Hard - Marco Beltrami
Based on the second track, looks like Marco will continue referencing McClane's theme and use Ode To Joy in the score.
Which makes absolutely ZERO sense unless the bad guys in the film are German or more specifically are related to Hans Gruber. Ode to Joy is NOT John McClane's theme.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Well, identifying Germans by Beethoven rather than Wagner would be an improvement.
NP: "Life of Pi" by Mychael Danna
I'm just in the mid of the furst run and I very, very much like what I am hearing!
Cheers!
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Demetris wrote
lp wrote
NP: A Good Day To Die Hard - Marco Beltrami
Just started listening to this. The first track is really good. A typical Beltrami cue built around ostinati. Based on the second track, looks like Marco will continue referencing McClane's theme and use Ode To Joy in the score. At least it'll be more thematic than Live Free or Die Hard, which wasn't terrible. And there are more electronics than before... we'll see how this will pan out.
It's a very, very good score!
One thing the first Beltrami's Die Hard score had is set pieces and the corresponding cues for them was appropriately good and recognizable. The new one, not so much. -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
NP: A Good Day To Die Hard - Marco Beltrami
Based on the second track, looks like Marco will continue referencing McClane's theme and use Ode To Joy in the score.
Which makes absolutely ZERO sense unless the bad guys in the film are German or more specifically are related to Hans Gruber. Ode to Joy is NOT John McClane's theme.
-Erik-
Ode to Joy isn't McClane's theme, but it's a piece largely associated with the Die Hard franchise, even though it was only prominent in the first one. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
lp wrote
Ode to Joy isn't McClane's theme, but it's a piece largely associated with the Die Hard franchise, even though it was only prominent in the first one.
It's largely associated with the first film and the idiot producers have been incorrectly splashing it all over the fourth and fifth film trailers. It doesn't make ANY sense.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013 edited
NP : THE FILM MUSIC OF - Christopher Gunning
Top quality film music on a top quality release. This is bloody marvelous! Not a single unwanted note on the entire album.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
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- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Timmer wrote
NP : THE FILM MUSIC OF - Christopher Gunning
Top quality film music on a top quality release. This is bloody marvelous! Not a single unwanted note on the entire album.
I expect that very CD to be in the mail tomorrow or the day after together with the one dedicated to Georges Auirc.
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
CanErik Woods wrote
lp wrote
NP: A Good Day To Die Hard - Marco Beltrami
Based on the second track, looks like Marco will continue referencing McClane's theme and use Ode To Joy in the score.
Which makes absolutely ZERO sense unless the bad guys in the film are German or more specifically are related to Hans Gruber. Ode to Joy is NOT John McClane's theme.
-Erik-
Can somebody please clarify what McClane's theme is? I have an idea in my head but I don't know if I'm getting confused with the terrorist theme. -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
I return to Morricone's inspired "Moses the Lawgiver".
The cue "Israel" (not sure if it was even used in the actual film) leaves me flattened by its shear awsomeness. Only Morricone would come up with something like that. That score shows everything that is admirable in Morricone: The melody maker, the autstanding orchestrator and the contemporary avantgarde classic composer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5csoHVDOM
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013 edited
Anthony wrote
CanErik Woods wrote
lp wrote
NP: A Good Day To Die Hard - Marco Beltrami
Based on the second track, looks like Marco will continue referencing McClane's theme and use Ode To Joy in the score.
Which makes absolutely ZERO sense unless the bad guys in the film are German or more specifically are related to Hans Gruber. Ode to Joy is NOT John McClane's theme.
-Erik-
Can somebody please clarify what McClane's theme is? I have an idea in my head but I don't know if I'm getting confused with the terrorist theme.
It's actual more of a motif. It's 4 notes. 1:54 mark of this clip. You'll hear it in the woodwinds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcRIQUuNF8
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Ode to Joy isn't McClane's theme, but it's a piece largely associated with the Die Hard franchise, even though it was only prominent in the first one.
It's largely associated with the first film and the idiot producers have been incorrectly splashing it all over the fourth and fifth film trailers. It doesn't make ANY sense.
-Erik-
It does make sense in the sense that it's a famous classical piece closely associated with the first film, so they're able to draw upon those associations (since DIE HARD hardly had a memorable theme otherwise).
The use of a classical piece in the DIE HARD films -- usually in some sort of action scene -- has become a "gimmick" of that particular franchise. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Captain Future wrote
I return to Morricone's inspired "Moses the Lawgiver".
The cue "Israel" (not sure if it was even used in the actual film) leaves me flattened by its shear awsomeness. Only Morricone would come up with something like that. That score shows everything that is admirable in Morricone: The melody maker, the autstanding orchestrator and the contemporary avantgarde classic composer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5csoHVDOM
Volker
Quite. A wonderful piece. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Thor wrote
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Ode to Joy isn't McClane's theme, but it's a piece largely associated with the Die Hard franchise, even though it was only prominent in the first one.
It's largely associated with the first film and the idiot producers have been incorrectly splashing it all over the fourth and fifth film trailers. It doesn't make ANY sense.
-Erik-
It does make sense in the sense that it's a famous classical piece closely associated with the first film, so they're able to draw upon those associations (since DIE HARD hardly had a memorable theme otherwise).
The use of a classical piece in the DIE HARD films -- usually in some sort of action scene -- has become a "gimmick" of that particular franchise. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
I guess you're right when it coems down to trailers but Ode To Joy should not be in the 5th film unless there is some connection to Gruber.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Hmmm....I never considered "Ode to Joy" as a sort of Gruber theme in the first film. More like a gimmick and an ironical comment on what happens onscreen (which is very violent, if memory serves). Much like A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
lp wrote
Ode to Joy isn't McClane's theme, but it's a piece largely associated with the Die Hard franchise, even though it was only prominent in the first one.
It's largely associated with the first film and the idiot producers have been incorrectly splashing it all over the fourth and fifth film trailers. It doesn't make ANY sense.
-Erik-
Well, the Ode to Joy connection is very minimal in this Marco's score. Would have been more interesting to hear something Russian-sourced to tie in the Moscow environment. -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Thor wrote
Hmmm....I never considered "Ode to Joy" as a sort of Gruber theme in the first film. More like a gimmick and an ironical comment on what happens onscreen (which is very violent, if memory serves). Much like A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
This is true. I liked how DH2 and DH3 used traditional/classical pieces within the score. DH4 didn't do that and neither does DH5. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
lp wrote
Thor wrote
Hmmm....I never considered "Ode to Joy" as a sort of Gruber theme in the first film. More like a gimmick and an ironical comment on what happens onscreen (which is very violent, if memory serves). Much like A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
This is true. I liked how DH2 and DH3 used traditional/classical pieces within the score. DH4 didn't do that and neither does DH5.
True....I can't recall any classical piece in DH4, now that you mention it.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013 edited
Thor wrote
Hmmm....I never considered "Ode to Joy" as a sort of Gruber theme in the first film. More like a gimmick and an ironical comment on what happens onscreen (which is very violent, if memory serves). Much like A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
Ode to Joy is hinted at right off the bat when the "terrorists" arrive at Nakatomi. It's even being performed by the string quartet at the party!. It plays during the course of the score mostly in the low strings giving the piece a more suspenseful tone. Hans even "whistles" it during his chat with Takagi. And it plays out in glorious fashion when Gruber and his team break the final lock to open up the vault. Ode To Joy is Gruber's theme.
It should be no where near Die Hard 2, 4 or 5. Funny thing is that I don't even think it was featured in 3, where it would have been appropriate.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
The Iron Giant - Michael Kamen
I've always loved this, which was hated by most when it first appeared (my words of praise on filmus-l were greeted with a chorus of people saying how awful it is). I think it was the first time Kamen recorded without a click track (very rare for a Hollywood composer - James Horner's the only other one I know who regularly does it) and I think part of its beautifully organic feel comes from that. Love the cavernous sound it has, too. Above all, just wonderful, magical music. I wonder if anyone else actually likes it. -
- CommentAuthorAtham
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
I've always admired Kamen's The Iron Giant. A very rich score that is amongst my favorite Kamen scores.
Enjoyed the film too. And there's a good (but short) doco on the scoring process with Mr. Kamen on the DVD. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
Thor wrote
Hmmm....I never considered "Ode to Joy" as a sort of Gruber theme in the first film. More like a gimmick and an ironical comment on what happens onscreen (which is very violent, if memory serves). Much like A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
Ode to Joy is hinted at right off the bat when the "terrorists" arrive at Nakatomi. It's even being performed by the string quartet at the party!. It plays during the course of the score mostly in the low strings giving the piece a more suspenseful tone. Hans even "whistles" it during his chat with Takagi. And it plays out in glorious fashion when Gruber and his team break the final lock to open up the vault. Ode To Joy is Gruber's theme.
It should be no where near Die Hard 2, 4 or 5. Funny thing is that I don't even think it was featured in 3, where it would have been appropriate.
-Erik-
I still think it's more of a CLOCKWORK ORANGE thing than a purely narrative tool. More a commentary than a leitmotif, if you will. But I do like its inclusion. I agree that it shouldn't necessarily appear in the sequels -- not because of any narrative discontinuity, but more because it's "been there, done that". I like the fact that Renny Harlin took the same idea into the sequel, but used "Finlandia" from his fellow countryman Sibelius instead.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
Anthony wrote
CanErik Woods wrote
lp wrote
NP: A Good Day To Die Hard - Marco Beltrami
Based on the second track, looks like Marco will continue referencing McClane's theme and use Ode To Joy in the score.
Which makes absolutely ZERO sense unless the bad guys in the film are German or more specifically are related to Hans Gruber. Ode to Joy is NOT John McClane's theme.
-Erik-
Can somebody please clarify what McClane's theme is? I have an idea in my head but I don't know if I'm getting confused with the terrorist theme.
It's actual more of a motif. It's 4 notes. 1:54 mark of this clip. You'll hear it in the woodwinds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcRIQUuNF8
-Erik-
I see. I always thought that was the terrorist theme and that McClane's was this:
(I don't know Kamen's scores at all well so here's an example from Die Hard 4.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdE02rXFEM0 at :43.
Or am I wrong and did Beltrami write that?
On another note, All Aboard is a kick-ass cue. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013
Thor wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Thor wrote
Hmmm....I never considered "Ode to Joy" as a sort of Gruber theme in the first film. More like a gimmick and an ironical comment on what happens onscreen (which is very violent, if memory serves). Much like A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
Ode to Joy is hinted at right off the bat when the "terrorists" arrive at Nakatomi. It's even being performed by the string quartet at the party!. It plays during the course of the score mostly in the low strings giving the piece a more suspenseful tone. Hans even "whistles" it during his chat with Takagi. And it plays out in glorious fashion when Gruber and his team break the final lock to open up the vault. Ode To Joy is Gruber's theme.
It should be no where near Die Hard 2, 4 or 5. Funny thing is that I don't even think it was featured in 3, where it would have been appropriate.
-Erik-
I still think it's more of a CLOCKWORK ORANGE thing than a purely narrative tool. More a commentary than a leitmotif, if you will. But I do like its inclusion. I agree that it shouldn't necessarily appear in the sequels -- not because of any narrative discontinuity, but more because it's "been there, done that". I like the fact that Renny Harlin took the same idea into the sequel, but used "Finlandia" from his fellow countryman Sibelius instead.
Die Hard 3, if memory serves me well, uses the traditional march When Johnny Comes Marching Home in a similar fashion.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorJosh B
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013
SOCOM 4 - Bear McCreary
Kinda a cross between the heavy percussion of BSG and the orchestral mayhem of Human Target. I've had this score for a while but hadn't really gotten into it yet so this is a fun listen. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013
NP : IN THE NAME OF THE ROSE - James Horner
I've always enjoyed this album though it seems to be a love/hate divide even between Horner's most ardent fans. Personally I feel this would have been a great film for John Barry to have scored though I don't believe he was ever under consideration for it.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013 edited
NP: Arrivederci, Baby! - Dennis Farnon
Admittedly, this is only the main theme track I am listening to from this score, but it's a great little sixties number.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013
Thor wrote
I still think it's more of a CLOCKWORK ORANGE thing than a purely narrative tool.
While McTeirnan liked the use of Beethoven's 9th in A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, McTeirnan insisted that Kamen use the 9th as the THEME for Gruber and his gang. FACT!
Thor wrote
More a commentary than a leitmotif, if you will.
No, that would be incorrect. It is used as a leitmotif.
Thor wrote
I like the fact that Renny Harlin took the same idea into the sequel, but used "Finlandia" from his fellow countryman Sibelius instead.
Now that's more of using classical music for the sake of using classical music. There are no hints to that piece in the score whatsoever.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013
JAMES NEWTON HOWARD - The last airbender (Steven's version)
Boy, this is so good!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2013 edited
Next onto this JNH day:
WAR HORSE
Lovely. Really like JNH in this mode (apart from the mickey mousing)Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.