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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013 edited
    Steven wrote
    Thor wrote
    Couldn't disagree more. Whether you believe in the subject matter or not, the story is so powerful and deserves a nuanced, gritty treatment. At least as an alternative to the overly reverential ones.


    The problem with a film like Passion, as I noted above, is that millions of people actually believe it to represent historical truth. When put in context, the film and its message is extremely disturbing. Out of context, admittedly I suppose I can see a well made piece of cinema. (Well made in that it achieves its intentions.)


    Whether I believe it to be truth or not is really irrelevant to me (if you must know, I'm confident in my Christian faith) -- when it comes to filmmaking, I think there's a treasure trove of great stories in the Bible that cry out for proper adaptation. There are really all kinds of angles possible, and I think it's unfortunate that most of them rely on a very reverential tone (like the mini-series above).

    So the call for realism doesn't really have anything to do with my faith -- it has to do with a) a way to make a film in the genre that is unusual and b) a sense of realism in a fantastical setting which often make the story more engrossing.

    How the hell did we start talking about this in a Zimmer thread?
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    HANS ZIMMER - the bible miniseries

    Trailer, contains sample from the Zimmer-Balfe score:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcJcmm-S … r_embedded
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Thor wrote
    Couldn't disagree more. Whether you believe in the subject matter or not, the story is so powerful and deserves a nuanced, gritty treatment. At least as an alternative to the overly reverential ones.


    True. Very powerful film, breathtaking score.


    It is a good score but I rarely feel any urge to play it, I think it's all that ethnic wailing shit that turns me off.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  4. I think you would like The Prince of Egypt quite a bit though smile
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    PawelStroinski wrote
    I think you would like The Prince of Egypt quite a bit though smile


    I have it, some of it is very good, particularly the Vaughan Williams bits wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    Tim, what about Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation of Christ which is obviously Debney's source of inspiration? I find that one of the most diachronic scores.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Tim, what about Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation of Christ which is obviously Debney's source of inspiration? I find that one of the most diachronic scores.


    He's the number 1 man to blame, him and his 'world music'.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013 edited
    Timmer wrote
    Bregt wrote
    There's some fantastic stories in the Bible (well, the older part at least). And there's no greater story then a guy who can split a sea!

    It looks a bit ... funny. wink

    Oh yeah, Zimmer's been listening to Vaughan Williams symphony # 5 wink

    I've been listening to it now as well! Very similar indeed. biggrin It's not a very grand theme in this symphony, but it certainly is the biggest theme in the score. dizzy slant

    What a great symphony though! cheesy
    Wow, thanks for ... noticing!
    Kazoo
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    Cool Bregt beer IMO it's a fabulous symphony, RVW was a genius.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    Timmer wrote
    Demetris wrote
    Tim, what about Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation of Christ which is obviously Debney's source of inspiration? I find that one of the most diachronic scores.


    He's the number 1 man to blame, him and his 'world music'.


    Genius score, especially if you look at it within the time it was released. Contains some very haunting themes.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2013
    Thor wrote
    (if you must know, I'm confident in my Christian faith)


    So are a couple of my good friends. sad
  12. Steven wrote
    Thor wrote
    I wish someone made Bible epics in a more gritty and authentic fashion. More like Gibson's PASSION OF THE CHRIST.


    I'd rather Bible epics be less "authentic" and less gritty since it is a fantasy world afterall. Gibson's take on the popular Christ myth is a self-indulgent, gratuitous, pornographic piece of Christian propaganda.


    I would like to have a go at the assumption that 2005's 'authenticity' won't feel like a fairy tale in another time. The effects created by form shifts over time and the time will come when deschanel's photography and Debney's music feel as theatrical and outlandish as milkos rozsa, Heston and Wyler seem now; and the silent version of Ben hur probably felt that way in 1959 for that matter.

    But even if these things meant the same thing in all times and the meanings never changed... The stories should be raw material, open to interpretation in whatever form is wished. Even the fear of offence should not contain it. For if we applied the criterion that the stakes should not feel real in a religious fairy tale should we not also hold back someone who would dare to make a Tolkien or batman film feel real? The comparison might seem ridiculous but the argument that prompted it is flawed. It's film as propaganda that you have an issue with, not fairy tales feeling real. But there are many types of propaganda, not just that one, and not all are harmful. (Although many are - birth of a nation may have been one of the worst. A film that feels ridiculously theatrical in retrospect but nonetheless fuelled passions of its time.) but can you ever really constrain the message? Anything can be a tool for good or evil but when the clamps go down on storytelling form it only produces creative alternative expressions of the same thing that few risk openly speaking about (eg Iranian children films, socialist notions in McCarty era us films; religious icons and ideals in soviet film makers).
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  13. Miklos Rozsa feels as "outlandish" to me as Beethoven, Mozart or Bach.

    I see your point and to a certain extend I agree, but there are things that continue to speak to us beyond their period. I think, that's what we use to call "art".
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  14. It's all art. Not all of its great or useful mind you - here we are in a thread about hans zimmer after all -but we'll never agree on that list even with our common interest. wink
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    I am not pro the all new is crap all old is art notion either wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  16. I think you guys confuse the word 'art' for a comment on how 'good' the art is. wave
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    Steven wrote
    Thor wrote
    (if you must know, I'm confident in my Christian faith)


    So are a couple of my good friends. sad


    Same here, none of them are OTT though and good discussions are had.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Demetris wrote
    Tim, what about Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation of Christ which is obviously Debney's source of inspiration? I find that one of the most diachronic scores.


    He's the number 1 man to blame, him and his 'world music'.


    Genius score, especially if you look at it within the time it was released. Contains some very haunting themes.


    I thought it was darned brilliant at the time but it's been diluted by overuse over the years and I haven't listened to it in a long time.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    franz_conrad wrote
    I think you guys confuse the word 'art' for a comment on how 'good' the art is. wave


    Word!
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Thor wrote
    (if you must know, I'm confident in my Christian faith)


    So are a couple of my good friends. sad


    Same here, none of them are OTT though and good discussions are had.


    That's another issue indeed and it's often very, very subjective smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  21. Timmer wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    I think you guys confuse the word 'art' for a comment on how 'good' the art is. wave


    Word!


    I am not sure if I would call everything art. If we (let's stay with the composer in the thread, shall we?) regarded Modern Warfare 2 as art or for that matter the Sherlock Holmes (or Pirates) scores as art, I think we would be offensive to whatever the word represents. Art is scores like The Thin Red Line, yes, I would say it, Inception, or, to make it broader, Schindler's List, Star Wars (yes, I would call it artful, even if it's not insanely deep). To me art is always something special.
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  22. Of course, we can regard art as a very well-done craft. In fact the word art itself hints at it (precisely meaning "craft" originally, same for the Greek origin techne).

    Then Heat (and I would say The Rock) are works of art, but Debbie Does Dallas, well, hardly.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    Demetris wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Thor wrote
    (if you must know, I'm confident in my Christian faith)


    So are a couple of my good friends. sad


    Same here, none of them are OTT though and good discussions are had.


    That's another issue indeed and it's often very, very subjective smile


    I'm not sure what you mean? What's subjective?
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    Also, maybe we should move this into the religion thread? My god would I love a religious discussion right now. I'm quite sad like that...
  25. It is an odd place for such a discussion but the free flow of thought is no respecter of database structures wink

    I do find it funny that of all the dots I tried to join above in those two paragraphs it was the use of the word art - which wasn't even an element of what I originally said that's become the topic. I think that's just a language issue.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorCristian
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2013
    Timmer wrote
    More Duduk sleep


    I can't never get bored by a duduk, such a sad and melancholic sound, I love it. Are you bored by Hans Zimmer' use of the duduk or in general?

    Are you familiar with Armand Amar' work? He use the duduk a lot in a beautiful way. Listen here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVSfgwN_J8Y
    http://cristianlee.1x.com/
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2013
    The computer is his instrument

    http://www.scoop.it/t/soundtrack/p/3996 … 3e497bd3d8
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2013
    "The bottom line is, for me, there has never been a difference between a composer and someone who is building technology."

    OK.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeFeb 14th 2013
    THE BIBLE

    release details
    http://filmmusicreporter.com/2013/02/14 … k-details/
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  30. Demetris wrote
    THE BIBLE

    release details
    http://filmmusicreporter.com/2013/02/14 … k-details/


    "The Bible created and executive produced by Mark Burnett & Roma Downey"

    Huh. Roma Downey as in TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL, I didn't realize she was a producer. Nor that she is now married to Burnett, having previously been married to director David Anspaugh and the actor Leland Orser (ie, the guy John Doe forces to commit the Lust murder in SEVEN).

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