MICHAEL GIACCHINO

Me too!

(Although I'd prefer this one.)

Guys, would you please stop?

I never said Giacchino is untalented, uneducated, undedicated and whatever else it is you´re imagining I said.

All I ever said was that I don´t like the sound of his music (meaning I prefer at least a bit of "echo", a "hall-effect"). There are scores where I don´t care or think it´s important (like with Lost), and there is Trek, where I find the "hall-effect" to be much more important, up to the point where it just symbolizes the vastness of space for me. That he didn´t change his personal sound preference for Trek means he has not the same preferences like me, which means, for me, he´s not the right choice.

Additionally, after listening to more Giacchino stuff in the last weeks, I have some doubts that Giacchino´s musical style fits my preferences for a Trek score in general. That, too, says nothing about his talent or education or dedication or whatever, most of all, it doesn´t say anything about whether I like his style in general or not.

These are the two reasons why I (as in me & myself)) think Giacchino is a bad choice for Trek. Neither of them has anything to do with the things you´re implicating I´m critizising, nor are they suggesting that this is more than my personal opinion but universal truth. I´ll leave the promotion of that to some other guy.

I even implicated that I´m probably going to like that new main theme he wrote (I´m already humming it from time to time), although I still don´t like the sound or style regarding to what I want from a Trek score, but that doesn´t mean I can´t like it in another context.

What does that say about his compositorical abilities and my opinion about it?

Do I still think he´s a good composer? Yes.
Do I still think he´s not a good choice for Trek? Yes.
Do I still think he´s doing the best he can? Yes.

And that´s all there is.

So would you please stop defending the guy from attacks by me that are just not there, before the feeling settles that you are not only defending, but actually kissing some part of the guy that I don´t want to imagine?

Thanks.

I'm one of those who don't understand what the big fuss over Giacchino is either and who am absolutely flabbergasted that he has a whopping 52 pages and more than 1500 replies so far (he obviously must have SOMETHING that makes fans proclaim him as the Second Coming), but I'm still mildly curious about what the STAR TREK score will sound like. I'm trying to follow his work to "get" what it is that attracts so many "nerd" fans. Is it the projects he picks (often in "nerd" territory)? Is it that he does traditional orchestral music with lots of "colour"? The odes to popular culture melodies and styles? Perhaps all of this, but to me he is still someone who obviously knows his stuff and some novel approaches (I'm thinking of LOST, in particular), but is for the most part an anonymous voice in film music land. He simply doesn't click with me.

There, I said it.

Probably, yeah. Crazy stuff, eh?

If I were not as calm as I am, I wouldn´t have explained my opinion again (because you obviously didn´t care to remember it from the countless times I stated it before), but would have asked you how wearing funny costumes and having starship models around while conducting improves sound or style of the actual music conducted instead.

I agree that I prefer the best listening experience.

Well said. I can hum pretty much any theme from all of the Giacchino scores I regularly listen to... but that's because I have an awesome memory when it comes to music. To hell with being modest about that!

From the FSM podcast, I quite like the Giacchino main theme, however I do agree with their assessment that once upon a time, that 'theme' would have been viewed as a decent counterline. The counterpoint between the Giacchino theme and the old STAR TREK tv title music is a great touch. If the score has writing like that on a regular basis - unlikely alas given the current standards for scoring action scenes - it will be a treat.

Many will say RC-esque.

I will bring my bucket.

You can join.

II & III I like despite the fact that they sound dry sometimes, too, just because they are fantastic compositions from an era where Horner was still presenting his ideas to an audience which barely knew him. As a matter of fact, I remember that I was very disappointed that this Horner guy was chosen instead of Goldsmith for II, but I also remember that I was blown away by it from the very first minute, so I forgave them very fast. But as much as I like II (both score and movie), I always thought TMP brought a realism to Trek that was never matched again ever after, and to this day, I prefer Goldsmith´s score high above Horner´s. III was a nice recap (and one of the first hints that Horner wasn´t too much into developing new ideas) with a brilliant action cue and some nice variations of stuff I already knew.

I consider Star Trek IV to be a desaster on almost every level despite its humour, and don´t get me started on the score. When I heard Rosenman´s Theme for the first time (while watching the animated The Lord of the Rings, of course), I liked it very much. I was not so fond of it when it turned out to be his Trek Theme, too. And his RoboCop Theme. And...

But we were talking about sound.

Goldsmith´s TMP score set a personal standard for me that was never matched again by any other composer. TMP had that spectacular sound scape that matched the realism of TMP so fondly I can´t imagine any other type of score for that movie. While I think Horner nailed the style, Goldsmith nailed the sound better than anyone else, although I would have preferred a lot more hall on the main and end titles, too, like he did on his later Trek scores.


That´s a difficult question, since everyone will have a different opinion on that one. Personally, I want to hear the vastness of space, the strangeness of the universe, the grandieur of the starship named Enterprise, and lots of other things. For starters, use a hall effect that makes you believe it was recorded in a cathedral. For additional hints, I need someone with an education in music to help me express it. I know what I want to feel, but I wouldn´t know how to accomplish it.

I just know that Giacchino doesn´t sound that way, but the music used in the trailers did (though they are certainly not the style I would prefer (just to calm Demetris down).

But, again, it´s a personal preference.

There was a short-living rumour that Zimmer was supposed to score one of the Jonathan Frakes-directed movies, because Frakes is admittedly a fan of his (which eventually led to his hiring for Thunderbirds, which SUCKS).

The piece that opens the FSM Trek podcast, is that from Giacchino's score? If not then which Trek score is it from?

I would have said who I think should have scored it but there isn't any point as the film sucked big ones.

Yes, I have. Fantastic album, though I have to be in the right mood to listen to it. And yes, that´s the sound I want. But not the style. BTW, the similarities between Mythodea and DaVinci Code are very interesting, don´t you think?

Ooooooooh.
Big deal.

Love Me Do is simple.
Rock Around The Clock is simple.
As long as it's GOOD, I couldn't give a toss about complexity.