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JAMES HORNER
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- CommentAuthorTalos
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008 edited
Indeed, he (is/was) such a terrific composer... scores like ST II, Krull, Brainstorm are absolute kick ass and classy. Krull is still my overal favourite all time score. Love that particular style.
Most of his last scores are nothing like it... only some occassional flashes of his former exciting style appear. However some of his later scores are up to par with his eighties stuff... Zorro, Spiderwick... to some extend (Flight music).... Troy, I am referring here only to one track which as that wonderful Krull type of music. (that long track I am referring to is... "Through the Fire blah blah")... that lovely tragic love theme with those horns ala Krull, that's the Horner I like.
Another "late" score that's REALLY good, but is seldomly mentioned (?) is Once Upon a Forest... another favourite, great great music.www.budgethotels-hongkong.com LOWEST Hong Kong hotel rates -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
Once Upon a Forest is from a period when I considered him to still be at the top of his game. He composed three brilliant scores around that time (Legends of the Fall, Apollo 13 and Braveheart). Everything after 2000 was not up to the same standard of before. Ocasionally he got it right though (The Four Feathers)."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
Once Upon a Forest is indeed a bit of an obscure one... but so wonderful. I wouldn't consider it "late" by a longshot though... the early 90s were still right in the golden years of Horner's career as DreamTheater mentioned, with such amazing stuff behind him, like Willow, and new masterpieces just around the corner like Apollo 13.
Aside from Legend of Zorro and Troy, I agree that everything post-2000 has been much more subdued for him. I think 1998 was his last truly amazing year, with scores not tremendously talked-about but that I do believe are among his best: Mighty Joe Young and Deep Impact. Then it's as if the "Horner of old" sank for good after the superb The Perfect Storm, like the protagonists of that movie...
It's not that his talent waned, far from it. And he's still my favourite composer, make no mistakes. He just changed, that's all. He matured, like so many composers do after they become truly big-shots. A bit of a sell-out. Turning their backs on "fluffy adventure fares" just because they're "serious film composers now". John Williams' done it. Ennio Morricone's done it.
You know who never did?
Jerry Goldsmith.''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthorTalos
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
I agree... the Perfect Storm is a very strong "late" score too... thanks for the reminder.www.budgethotels-hongkong.com LOWEST Hong Kong hotel rates -
- CommentAuthorkeky
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
I also like his more subdued stuff of the past years, like Bicentennial Man or A Beautiful Mind or The New World which is a highlight in my opinion. The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas is also a real gem. It's a shame it doesn't have a proper CD release being maybe Horner's best since The New World. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
Horner's certainly changed a lot but the present-day version continues to impress me and I would rank things like The New World and Boy in the Striped Pyjamas right up there with his best. Indeed, The New World is probably my favourite Horner album. -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
HeeroJF wrote
Once Upon a Forest is indeed a bit of an obscure one... but so wonderful. I wouldn't consider it "late" by a longshot though... the early 90s were still right in the golden years of Horner's career as DreamTheater mentioned, with such amazing stuff behind him, like Willow, and new masterpieces just around the corner like Apollo 13.
Aside from Legend of Zorro and Troy, I agree that everything post-2000 has been much more subdued for him. I think 1998 was his last truly amazing year, with scores not tremendously talked-about but that I do believe are among his best: Mighty Joe Young and Deep Impact. Then it's as if the "Horner of old" sank for good after the superb The Perfect Storm, like the protagonists of that movie...
It's not that his talent waned, far from it. And he's still my favourite composer, make no mistakes. He just changed, that's all. He matured, like so many composers do after they become truly big-shots. A bit of a sell-out. Turning their backs on "fluffy adventure fares" just because they're "serious film composers now". John Williams' done it. Ennio Morricone's done it.
You know who never did?
Jerry Goldsmith.
Mighty Joe Young & Deep Impact: both very underrated and I like em both a lot. Despite what others may think I never find Deep Impact a bore to listen to, quite the opposite it's one of his most emotional and always gets to me.
You're right about Goldsmith, he stayed fresh and kickass right up until the end. I'm sure if he was still alive now, he would've written legendary stuff like The Mummy or Mulan during the past 4 years. His incredible talent was wasted too soon."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
I'm really looking forward to AVATAR, film and score.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008 edited
Southall wrote
Indeed, The New World is probably my favourite Horner album.
That, APOCALYPTO and ALL THE KING'S MEN for me.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
oh and APOLLO 13, gorgeous score. The main theme to Mighty Joe Young is very good too.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
Timmer wrote
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
Makes em stand out even more, Tim. I wouldn't want it any other way!!!
"considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
DreamTheater wrote
Timmer wrote
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
Makes em stand out even more, Tim. I wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Bregt, could we have a way to make fonts flash and blink too?''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
DreamTheater wrote
Timmer wrote
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
Makes em stand out even more, Tim. I wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Indeed!
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
HeeroJF wrote
DreamTheater wrote
Timmer wrote
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
Makes em stand out even more, Tim. I wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Bregt, could we have a way to make fonts flash and blink too?
A facility to make goat-style bleating noises whenever anyone mentions Hans Zimmer would also be welcome. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
James, that killed me! On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
HeeroJF wrote
DreamTheater wrote
Timmer wrote
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
Makes em stand out even more, Tim. I wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Bregt, could we have a way to make fonts flash and blink too?
No, Bregt; please. That's like forum porn!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
Timmer wrote
DreamTheater wrote
Timmer wrote
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
Makes em stand out even more, Tim. I wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Indeed!
One more quote just in case someone missed it!!! "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
And t answer the question, .. ehm, no. Lets not go back to the web from 10 years ago.
Kazoo -
- CommentAuthorAtham
- CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
I will not use the re-quote for sanity's sake but I must say reading those four awesome score titles together in large letters made me wet myself!!!
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
DreamTheater wrote
Timmer wrote
DreamTheater wrote
Timmer wrote
BRAINSTORM
KRULL
WILLOW
ALIENS
All deserve to be written in giant letters!
Makes em stand out even more, Tim. I wouldn't want it any other way!!!
Indeed!
One more quote just in case someone missed it!!!
Aye, it's worth a repeat!
Keep wetting AthamOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorchristopher
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
Just to be contrary, I'm not mad about Willow. It's okay. I've yet to hear brainstorm or aliens, but I don't think they're my cup of tea, either. -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008 edited
You know you've already heard Aliens. Every human from a modern society has heard it!! "Bishop's Countdown" at the very least. It's the most used piece of score in movie trailers.''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthoromaha
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
HeeroJF wrote
You know you've already heard Aliens. Every human from a modern society has heard it!! "Bishop's Countdown" at the very least. It's the most used piece of score in movie trailers.
The end of Die Hard uses Aliens, perfectly I might add.
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- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
Rather unexpectedly, but yes, it quite works. Still, I have to wonder if Kamen actually wrote a piece for that scene.''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
omaha wrote
HeeroJF wrote
You know you've already heard Aliens. Every human from a modern society has heard it!! "Bishop's Countdown" at the very least. It's the most used piece of score in movie trailers.
The end of Die Hard uses Aliens, perfectly I might add.
I thought it was far from perfect! Maybe only a film score freak would notice (though I'm not sure) but it's as if you suddenly leave one film and join another, given how different it is from Kamen's score. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
Southall wrote
omaha wrote
HeeroJF wrote
You know you've already heard Aliens. Every human from a modern society has heard it!! "Bishop's Countdown" at the very least. It's the most used piece of score in movie trailers.
The end of Die Hard uses Aliens, perfectly I might add.
I thought it was far from perfect! Maybe only a film score freak would notice (though I'm not sure) but it's as if you suddenly leave one film and join another, given how different it is from Kamen's score.
Very similar to what I was about to say when I just read that post, the use of that track was a low point in an otherwise great film. When I watch a good film I want to be sucked right in, not zapped out of it by an instantly recognisable piece of score from a different film.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthoromaha
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
I think it is safe to say that most don't recognize it though. When I first saw Die Hard I didn't know about Horner's score for Aliens in the least. I wasn't bothered at all.
Thought: I love how it fades out into Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
It would have been nice for Kamen to do it though. Wasn't there a big time issue? -
- CommentAuthorHeeroJF
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
Southall wrote
omaha wrote
HeeroJF wrote
You know you've already heard Aliens. Every human from a modern society has heard it!! "Bishop's Countdown" at the very least. It's the most used piece of score in movie trailers.
The end of Die Hard uses Aliens, perfectly I might add.
I thought it was far from perfect! Maybe only a film score freak would notice (though I'm not sure) but it's as if you suddenly leave one film and join another, given how different it is from Kamen's score.
I feel that's why it worked. It conveyed the implication that Al loosing his gun on someone was truly a world-spinning, life-changing, mind-blowing, revolutionary unfolding event in the character's life. Al shooting his gun?? Worlds end! Seasons clash! Stars burst! Composers change!
See my point?''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me -
- CommentAuthoromaha
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2008 edited
HeeroJF wrote
Southall wrote
omaha wrote
HeeroJF wrote
You know you've already heard Aliens. Every human from a modern society has heard it!! "Bishop's Countdown" at the very least. It's the most used piece of score in movie trailers.
The end of Die Hard uses Aliens, perfectly I might add.
I thought it was far from perfect! Maybe only a film score freak would notice (though I'm not sure) but it's as if you suddenly leave one film and join another, given how different it is from Kamen's score.
I feel that's why it worked. It conveyed the implication that Al loosing his gun on someone was truly a world-spinning, life-changing, mind-blowing, revolutionary unfolding event in the character's life. Al shooting his gun?? Worlds end! Seasons clash! Stars burst! Composers change!
See my point?
Makes sense dude.
Die Hard: Al
Only one man can change the streets of California. Al is back with his partner Steve Ircle and they are no longer just eating Twinkies and driving like Stevie Wonder. With the help of his old friend Roy (Bruce Willis),aka John McClain, they will fight the Tortilla Man (Arnold Schwarzenegger) who has targeted Al's wife and with her unborn child for termination.
Shots of explosions and Ircle running. "Did I do that? *ircle laugh*"
I'd see it...