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      CommentAuthorRalph Kruhm
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010 edited
    The only thing I find really lacking in the prequels is character development. Without good characters, you just don´t care what happens, and everything else seems without life and soul. Good characters always lead to great dialogue and a good story, and if we would have had that, people would be much more forgiving about the overwhelming CGI work. For example, I like the overall political plot, but they just didn´t find a way to make a good story out of it.

    But what I really love about the prequels is the design work, especially the planetary landscapes and cities. I find it quite hard to accept that most people hate EVERYTHING about the prequels. That´s just unfair to a lot of artists who did a fantastic job.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
    Yeah, I think the design work is fantastic. I love the retro look of the ships and the gradual evolution toward the style of the old films as the films progress, particularly the large triangular ships in the opening battle scene in the third film. The silver transport ship in The Phantom Menace is a thing of beauty.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
    Steven wrote
    Yeah, I think the design work is fantastic. I love the retro look of the ships and the gradual evolution toward the style of the old films as the films progress, particularly the large triangular ships in the opening battle scene in the third film. The silver transport ship in The Phantom Menace is a thing of beauty.


    So you are admitting that you like some of the CGI... wink
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Scribe wrote
    Steven wrote
    Yeah, I think the design work is fantastic. I love the retro look of the ships and the gradual evolution toward the style of the old films as the films progress, particularly the large triangular ships in the opening battle scene in the third film. The silver transport ship in The Phantom Menace is a thing of beauty.


    So you are admitting that you like some of the CGI... wink


    When used correctly... yes! Like Ralph and Steven pointed out the design work is exemplary. Some of the birds-eye views of Coruscant are breathtaking. It's the over use of the technology that's off putting.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010 edited
    Erik Woods wrote
    It's the over use of the technology that's off putting.

    -Erik-


    Wise words. There are numerous examples of cgi porn out there, take clash of the titans for instance, that soulless careless meaningless piece of cgi parade; Or every big action film these days that's converted afterwards in post-production to 3d 'cause it has to; 'cause of Avatar; 'cause 3d is sooo cool.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010 edited
    Scribe wrote
    Steven wrote
    Yeah, I think the design work is fantastic. I love the retro look of the ships and the gradual evolution toward the style of the old films as the films progress, particularly the large triangular ships in the opening battle scene in the third film. The silver transport ship in The Phantom Menace is a thing of beauty.


    So you are admitting that you like some of the CGI... wink


    I didn't say that, I said I like the design. But then again I have nothing against the CGI, there's some excellent shots in the prequels. I just don't like the use of the CGI, that's the issue here (particularly the backdrops which look fine in their own right, but their use looks so fake). Why not just build a set? It's more convincing, it's more believable and therefore gets the audience caring more. It's like watching an extended cut-scene to a game that you can't play.

    Edit: I do think The Phantom Menace had the best use of CGI out of all three, even though it's still a poorly made film. There were still some miniatures used, and there seemed to be more actual sets used. It's the other two where things got really stupid.

    And don't even get me started on CGI Yoda.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    I have seen very few sci-fi / fantasy sets that look more convincing than well-done CGI. Especially at any sort of decent resolution / HD / theater / etc. If you can tell that somebody made it, it feels less convincing. Whereas CGI has that certain other-worldly, half-real half-dream feeling that is perfect for sci-fi and fantasy.

    For real-world action movies, yes, I'll take real sets and effects and stunts any day. But not for sci-fi and fantasy. To each their own, I guess.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Scribe wrote
    I have seen very few sci-fi / fantasy sets that look more convincing than well-done CGI. Especially at any sort of decent resolution / HD / theater / etc. If you can tell that somebody made it, it feels less convincing. Whereas CGI has that certain other-worldly, half-real half-dream feeling that is perfect for sci-fi and fantasy.


    Absolute bollocks. The CGI sets in Space Fights are horrible.

    Give me the inside of the Millenium Falcon any day.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Steven wrote
    Absolute bollocks. The CGI sets in Space Fights are horrible.

    Give me the inside of the Millenium Falcon any day.


    yeah

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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    sigh
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010 edited
    Sooooo, how 'bout them Cowboys? rolleyes

    I hope David Arnold will score the new Cowboys and Aliens movie.... It'd be nice to hear him to a western or a techno-western.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    I hope David Arnold will score the new Narnia and will not get replaced at the last moment because his score is too "old-fashioned," causing David Buckley to be brought in to rehash the first score by reversing the notes of one of the themes and calling it the villain's theme...

    oh wait...Harry already did that rolleyes
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Knowing that filming for Narnia 3 has been underway for a long time now, isn't it about to go in post-production? And isn't David about to begin composing by now?
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Steven wrote
    I bet they won't grow up to feel as passionately about those crap-fests as fans of the originals have.


    Maybe not, but you have remember that the first were...well, the first. They paved new ground (in a retro way). Sequels can rarely compete with that.

    I still think nostalgia is a HUGE reason for why the prequels are dismissed by people who grew up with the old ones. Not the only reason (as I said, the films have their shortcomings), but far more than any other. As such, they are quite underrated.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Thor wrote
    I still think nostalgia is a HUGE reason for why the prequels are dismissed by people who grew up with the old ones. Not the only reason (as I said, the films have their shortcomings), but far more than any other. As such, they are quite underrated.


    It plays a part for sure but even bringing back characters we cared about from the original trilogy didn't help the mess that is the prequel trilogy. The films are horrible... with the exception of Sith... which is not bad but not great. The prequels are poorly written, poorly directed with cardboard characters that we have absolutely no emotional connection with and some awful and totally distracting CGI effects (Yoda as one example)... as whole the prequels are a great example of bad film making.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Erik Woods wrote
    Thor wrote
    I still think nostalgia is a HUGE reason for why the prequels are dismissed by people who grew up with the old ones. Not the only reason (as I said, the films have their shortcomings), but far more than any other. As such, they are quite underrated.


    It plays a part for sure but even bringing back characters we cared about from the original trilogy didn't help the mess that is the prequel trilogy. The films are horrible... with the exception of Sith... which is not bad but not great. The prequels are poorly written, poorly directed with cardboard characters that we have absolutely no emotional connection with and some awful and totally distracting CGI effects (Yoda as one example)... as whole the prequels are a great example of bad film making.

    -Erik-


    I would say the opposite - that they are pretty good films as a whole, but that there are certain elements that don't work so well.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Thor wrote
    I would say the opposite - that they are pretty good films as a whole, but that there are certain elements that don't work so well.


    What exactly makes then so good then? Again, refer to Red Letter Media's reviews of Phantom and Clones for the reasons why the films are so bad!

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    BobdH wrote
    Knowing that filming for Narnia 3 has been underway for a long time now, isn't it about to go in post-production? And isn't David about to begin composing by now?


    I don't know. I'm thinking that David's already composed a few tracks here and there.

    I should really check his twitter account and ask him a few Qs.
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010
    Scribe wrote
    I hope David Arnold will score the new Narnia and will not get replaced at the last moment because his score is too "old-fashioned," causing David Buckley to be brought in to rehash the first score by reversing the notes of one of the themes and calling it the villain's theme...

    oh wait...Harry already did that rolleyes


    Eh? What? Clarify please.... confused
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2010 edited
    lp wrote
    Scribe wrote
    I hope David Arnold will score the new Narnia and will not get replaced at the last moment because his score is too "old-fashioned," causing David Buckley to be brought in to rehash the first score by reversing the notes of one of the themes and calling it the villain's theme...

    oh wait...Harry already did that rolleyes


    Eh? What? Clarify please.... confused


    The comment about David Arnold's score being old-fashioned is remembering situations like Troy and the Wolfman and other such absurd rejections. The David Buckley part is because he is one of HGW's assistants and it would be ironic if they called him in because Harry was too busy and/or bored with the franchise to score it, as they do with Zimmer and his assistants. And the reversal of themes part was based on the comment by Harry that he created Miraz's theme for Prince Caspian by reversing the notes of the children's theme from the first movie. Harry said this in his interview as if it was clever and ingenious, but it comes across as just lazy to me, given that the theme is completely devoid of personality or feeling...maybe that's the script's fault too, but its the composer's job to inject emotion where it is lacking in the script!
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2010
    Scribe wrote
    lp wrote
    Scribe wrote
    I hope David Arnold will score the new Narnia and will not get replaced at the last moment because his score is too "old-fashioned," causing David Buckley to be brought in to rehash the first score by reversing the notes of one of the themes and calling it the villain's theme...

    oh wait...Harry already did that rolleyes


    Eh? What? Clarify please.... confused


    The comment about David Arnold's score being old-fashioned is remembering situations like Troy and the Wolfman and other such absurd rejections. The David Buckley part is because he is one of HGW's assistants and it would be ironic if they called him in because Harry was too busy and/or bored with the franchise to score it, as they do with Zimmer and his assistants. And the reversal of themes part was based on the comment by Harry that he created Miraz's theme for Prince Caspian by reversing the notes of the children's theme from the first movie. Harry said this in his interview as if it was clever and ingenious, but it comes across as just lazy to me, given that the theme is completely devoid of personality or feeling...maybe that's the script's fault too, but its the composer's job to inject emotion where it is lacking in the script!


    Ahh. Funny, but too loaded of a joke there.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2010
    It wasn't a joke so much as an outburst of bitter cynical sarcasm wink
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2010
    Scribe wrote
    It wasn't a joke so much as an outburst of bitter cynical sarcasm wink


    Same difference. shocked tongue
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2010
    I love how the bootleg artwork looks better than LaLaLand's artwork.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
    Steven wrote
    I love how the bootleg artwork looks better than LaLaLand's artwork.


    Sad to say...

    FACT!
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
    Steven wrote
    I love how the bootleg artwork looks better than LaLaLand's artwork.


    I disagree. I don't like either artwork and the blue one looks crappy.
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
    The original CD still has the best.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    I love how the bootleg artwork looks better than LaLaLand's artwork.


    Sad to say...

    FACT!


    ...and I forgot to add that neither of them is good.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
    lp wrote
    Steven wrote
    I love how the bootleg artwork looks better than LaLaLand's artwork.


    I disagree. I don't like either artwork and the blue one looks crappy.


    I didn't say I thought they were any good, but La La Land should do better than what they came up with.

    As Anthony said, the original RCA artwork is the best.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2010
    I read over at FSM that due to copyright issues with the studios (about the film's images), LLL had access to only a very limited number of images which they could use for the cover art.