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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
    Erik Woods wrote
    Steven wrote
    biggrin

    Well, imagine you first heard it in 2009? You'd be perfectly able to argue it's a 2009 score. It's all relative.


    rolleyes

    Do you NEVER stop?!

    -Erik-


    Do you?
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009 edited
    Martijn wrote
    I have given this a great deal of thought, and I honestly feel that El Cid was the best score of 2008.

    <Sits back with a bag of popcorn and watches the thread implode around him>


    biggrin

    Too late to the punch line:

    Steven wrote
    biggrin

    Well, imagine you first heard it in 2009? You'd be perfectly able to argue it's a 2009 score. It's all relative.


    cheesy
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
    Steven wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Steven wrote
    biggrin

    Well, imagine you first heard it in 2009? You'd be perfectly able to argue it's a 2009 score. It's all relative.


    rolleyes

    Do you NEVER stop?!

    -Erik-


    Do you?


    Sure. But you definitely know how to bait me. shame I'll leave it alone.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
    Steven wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Steven wrote
    biggrin

    Well, imagine you first heard it in 2009? You'd be perfectly able to argue it's a 2009 score. It's all relative.


    rolleyes

    Do you NEVER stop?!

    -Erik-


    Do you?


    biggrin

    To be continued....
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009 edited
    So, uh, where was I? Oh yeah. Best scores of 2008. (Which may or may not have been recorded in 2008... I can't say I know all of them with any certainty. biggrin )


    Kung Fu Panda Hans Zimmer & John Powell

    Of all the scores from this year, this one has proved one of the most memorable to me. Much like the Pirates themes, once the themes for this score are stuck in your head, there's no going back! dizzy

    It may not be original film scoring, but it is a lot of fun. And does contain a lot of heart too, which only matched the films' story and wonderful characters. (Oogway is Yoda for the 21st century.)


    Horton Hears A Who! John Powell

    Just a delightful, typically energetic score from Powell. Again, nothing particularly new, but that doesn't matter to me. What it may lack in originality it more than makes up for in pure fun! I could never tire of this score, especially the uber-funky end suite. A true crowd pleaser!


    The Dark Knight Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard

    A true divider of film music fans this one. I for one can't get enough of it. I've come to the conclusion that it works perfectly for the movie (at least, for me it does, certainly not for everyone). On the face of it, it does just seem like a slightly improved rehash of the first score. But deeper down, it matches the level of intensity and power the film creates. That's worthy of much praise IMO. I love Zimmer and I make no quarrels about it!


    Afrika Wataru Hokoyama

    The best Williams score Williams didn't compose this year. Okay, that's a little unfair. There's more to this than it simply being a Williams rip. It's Williamsesque, but there's no obvious plagiarism happening here. One of the years' best themes IMO, hearkening back to the days when themes were all the rage. A fantastic score I recommend to all!


    Defiance James Newton Howard

    Subtle beauty I think is the two words that best describe this score for me. Very much JNH in that introspective "The Village" kind of mode. As I have stated before, it's too easy to call this JNH's Schindler's List... but that is what unavoidably springs to mind when I listen to it on CD.


    Wall-E Thomas Newman

    I admit I rarely listen to this one. But in the movie I think it works wonders. I suppose that's about it on that one...


    Hancock & Bolt John Powell

    I feel as though the two are very similiar, so I tend to place them so close together that I might as well put them together. Where Hancock has the more powerful theme, Bolt is the more energetic and enjoyable one to listen all the way through.


    Quantum Of Solace David Arnold

    I probably enjoy this one on the whole more than Casino Royale. I like that it feels just as much an extension or sequel to Arnold's first Craig-score than the film does to its predecessor. Proper kick-ass action tracks... though unfortunately ends on a whimper on the album.


    Wanted Danny Elfman

    I think much of this is something similiar to what we might have had Elfman scored the Bourne movies. 'Fox In Control' is one of Elfman's most enjoyably bad-ass action tracks I've heard from the man.


    The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button Alexandre Desplat

    I've never been much of a Desplat fan until this year. Not because I haven't liked what he's produced prior to this year, but purely because I wasn't really that familiar with his music. This (along with The Golden Compass) is my first Desplat score which I really like and have become familiar with. There's an elegance and ethereal quality to this score that attracts me to it so much. Quirky, too. Not only that, but I'm always on the lookout for relaxing scores... and this does the job brilliantly.


    (There are probably a few scores I'm missing from my list here.)
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
    Ooh, and:

    The Lad In The Stripy PJs James Horner

    Well, um.. it's just very pleasant.
  1. Boy is this thread going to take off when I include THERE WILL BE BLOOD and YOUTH WITHOUT YOUTH on my list. biggrin
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
    franz_conrad wrote
    Boy is this thread going to take off when I include THERE WILL BE BLOOD and YOUTH WITHOUT YOUTH on my list. biggrin


    *cough, splutter*

    How dare you!?

    I think my monocle just dropped into my glass of port. I'll have to fish it out with this horribly expensive cigar.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009
    Martijn wrote
    I have given this a great deal of thought, and I honestly feel that El Cid was the best score of 2008.

    <Sits back with a bag of popcorn and watches the thread implode around him>


    applause
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009 edited
    Probably beating a dead horse but I had to say this... mods - please feel free to delete this if need be.

    After stepping away from the computer for a few minutes and rethinking this whole thing I'd just like to make one final post.

    First of all, I want to apologize to Steven for not acknowledging his point and dismissing his opinion. While I may not agree with what you were saying I should have acknowledged the point you were making while I was trying to make my own. This could have easily stopped this thead from getting out of the control. I was indeed being narrow minded but I'm far from being a narrow minded person, which bring me to my next point...

    Steven accusing me of lacking imagination and being closed-minded. I felt insulted with Steven's attack on my character. However, my response was rather childish in itself. But what this reminded me of was having someone put me down because I didn't believe or choose not to except something the other person believed in. In this case, philosophy. I felt like Steven was jamming this down by throat and since I choose not to except or be interested in philosophy then I was deemed close-minded and lacking imagination. Personally, I don't care what you choose to believe in or what your interests are - you can do what ever you choose - but just because I don't accept or find interest in something you do doesn't mean I'm any less of a person. But then again, why in the hell should I care what someone on an internet message board has to say about me anyway. Maybe I care because Steven and I have gone back as far as 2001 at scorereviews. Sure, I've never met him in person but he seemed rather likable and someone that I would like to meet in person one day. But if someone is going to make such a harsh judgment of me based on a few forum posts then maybe I need to reevaluate how I feel about that person.

    Anyway, I apologize for hijacking this thread and if Demetris wants to delete any or all of what I have written in this thread then so be it.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009 edited
    I too apologize for the sharpish replies I made. I am just as stubborn and dogged when it comes to these things, which is a major fault on my part.

    As far as the close-mindedness comment goes, I think I should have stated that I felt there was close-mindedness within the discussion. I am sure you are not close-minded or even lack imagination in all walks of life (certainly not as an amateur film maker). I don't think having an open mind is simply being able to open the one door, it's probably many. I like to think people rarely have a fully closed mind.

    I don't think we should delete anything. It has happened, and it is there for others to make up their minds if they wish. Most, of course, will probably not bother reading it. And why should they? It's up to them I suppose.

    Let's all just have angry sex when we can and this whole thing will eventually blow over! beer
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeJan 1st 2009 edited
    You're both just trying to knock Timmer off the top spot of the craziest posters list. Yes. That's it. That's your plan.

    At least it's over now.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Yeah, lolcat links... that'll please Erik. biggrin
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    You're right. I should have used his favourite. tongue
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Anthony wrote
    You're right. I should have used his favourite. tongue


    YES! UPSIDE DOWN DOGS! dog

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    I did follow this thread and I was tempted to step in as it escalated, I'm glad I didn't because I was sure you'd both settle it in the most civilised way which you both did.


    It takes a big man to stand up and admit he was wrong in retrospect, both Erik and Steven are big men.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Thanks Tim!

    I'm just very young, and with that comes a lot of pride and idealistic views. I'm sure when I'm older I will mellow like the older members on this forum... shame X1000
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    My favourites of the year:

    1.Kung Fu panda
    2.Horton Hears a who
    3.The happening
    4.Wanted
    5.Hellboy2
    6.Speed Racer
    7.Roar
    8.The Dark Knight
    9.Frost nixon
    10.Quantum of Solace
  2. Interesting. Not a single one of those ten make my top five. My top 10 (in alphabetical order) are:

    - THE BOY IN THE STRIPED PYJAMAS, Horner
    - THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON, Desplat
    - DEFIANCE, Howard
    - EAGLE EYE, Tyler
    - I WANT TO BE A SHELLFISH, Hisaishi
    - INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL, Williams
    - OORLOGSWINTER, Donaggio
    - PONYO ON THE CLIFF, Hisaishi
    - THE OTHER BOLEYN GIRL, Cantelon
    - STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, Elfman
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Nice to see Benjamin Button on someone's list, I forgot about that one in my list. Surprisingly, Crystal Skull is not on my list... I just find it to be an extremely average Williams score.
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Erik Woods wrote
    Probably beating a dead horse but I had to say this... mods - please feel free to delete this if need be.

    After stepping away from the computer for a few minutes and rethinking this whole thing I'd just like to make one final post.

    -Erik-


    Dammed! I lost something interesting here??? I didn't read anything! wink
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Nautilus wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Probably beating a dead horse but I had to say this... mods - please feel free to delete this if need be.

    After stepping away from the computer for a few minutes and rethinking this whole thing I'd just like to make one final post.

    -Erik-


    Dammed! I lost something interesting here??? I didn't read anything! wink


    Obviously!
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas
    Che
    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    Indiana Jones
    Wanted
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Steven wrote
    I just find it to be an extremely average Williams score.


    it was near to be in my list. I don't know if it's average, but it contains a really annoying tracks to me ( Specially Mutt's stuff, wich only works for me in the arrengement with accordion from the last track ).

    The Skull theme is really hypnotic, but after 2 or 3 themes it becomes really repetitive.
    • CommentAuthormarkrayen
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009 edited
    I'm a little bit surprised that Crystal Skull hasn't been mentioned untill now, and yet there is so much music that is to my opinion far less interesting recieving words of praise and blessing. I won't say too much about it since I haven't been much up to date on film music in 2008, but I can say that although it isn't a masterpiece the craftmanship present in Crystal Skull is unique. Williams' orchestra sounds fantastic, and the structure is remarkably coherent despite the extreme diversity of styles. There is absolutely nothing "average" about it, because there is simply no composer alive today that has achieved such an extraordinary technique as the aging John Williams. I am constantly baffled by his versatility, inventive orchestrations, and ability to satisfyingly explore even the smallest of thematic conceptions. Adventures of Mutt is an example of all these things. The piece is a deviation from the usual "theme" arrangements he has done for so many years. It is brilliantly concieved through the interweaving of three thematic "fragments" - themes that are introduced but that apparantly have no ending. There is the melodic fragment performed primarily by horns, the melodic fragment on woodwind, and the chromatic variations on a fragment from the raider's march. There are also the modulating scale figures sounding playful and cartoonish which are cleverly played with throughout the piece (among other methods through a fantastic counter motion in the double bass towards the end of the piece). The originality of the piece's conceptual design is to my opinion astonishing, where something that has been introduced as seemingly complete cacaphonic chaos reaches a musical conclusion that satisfyingly concludes and combines all of its thematic components. It is extremely playful and virtuosic, but has musical substance and vitality to it at the same time. Even in Crystal Skull, which isn't a particular favourite, I feel that the depth of Williams' musical language exceeds that of his contempories. I know I sound like a complete geek with my academic concerns, but I feel a need to defend what I believe in many ways is the best work of 2008.

    - Mark
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    I agree with you in many respects, I mean it's Williams after all. But personally, I still don't find it to be the most interesting or even entertaining score of the year, there's many I would place above Crystal Skull in that regard.

    Williams is my joint-favourite film composer of all time along with Goldsmith, but even that doesn't mean I will love every score he produces. Crystal Skull is one that will probably remain to be one of those scores that I rarely listen to.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
    Not a very impressive year for new scores as far as I'm concerned.
    * Just two scores really surprised me this year in the sense of their overall enjoyability and listenability:
    Afrika (game score) - Wataru Hokoyama
    and Okuribito (a.k.a. 'Departures') - Joe Hisaishi

    Strike one for the Japanese last year. punk

    * Consistently and expectedly enjoyable throughout (though not innovative in any way):
    Doctor Who (series 4) - Murray Gold
    Hancock - John Powell
    Jumper - John Powell
    Kung Fu Panda - John Powell & Hans Zimmer
    Torchwood - Ben Foster & Murray Gold

    * Some pretty good to excellent tracks could be found on these albums (though not enough to make those excellent albums in their own right):
    Horton Hears A Who - John Powell
    Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull - John Williams
    Merlin - Rob Lane
    Der Rote Baron - Dirk Reichardt & Stefan Hansen
    Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Kevin Kiner

    * And honourable mentions to these releases:
    For an unexpected and beautiful new interpretation of an old master: The Miklos Rozsa Collection - Gregg Nestor (classical guitar arrangement compilation)
    And for an unexpected and inspired new interpretation of an old master: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino

    * And without a doubt the very best release of 2008:
    The massive rerecording of Miklos Rozsa's 1962 epic El Cid.

    These lists, and the scores omitted from them lead to three interesting conclusions:
    1) I still have a lot of 2008 scores in my collection to go through
    2) I like old stuff
    3) So far, Powell is my most appreciated composer in 2008!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2009
    markrayen wrote
    I'm a little bit surprised that Crystal Skull hasn't been mentioned untill now, and yet there is so much music that is to my opinion far less interesting recieving words of praise and blessing. I won't say too much about it since I haven't been much up to date on film music in 2008, but I can say that although it isn't a masterpiece the craftmanship present in Crystal Skull is unique. Williams' orchestra sounds fantastic, and the structure is remarkably coherent despite the extreme diversity of styles. There is absolutely nothing "average" about it, because there is simply no composer alive today that has achieved such an extraordinary technique as the aging John Williams. I am constantly baffled by his versatility, inventive orchestrations, and ability to satisfyingly explore even the smallest of thematic conceptions. Adventures of Mutt is an example of all these things. The piece is a deviation from the usual "theme" arrangements he has done for so many years. It is brilliantly concieved through the interweaving of three thematic "fragments" - themes that are introduced but that apparantly have no ending. There is the melodic fragment performed primarily by horns, the melodic fragment on woodwind, and the chromatic variations on a fragment from the raider's march. There are also the modulating scale figures sounding playful and cartoonish which are cleverly played with throughout the piece (among other methods through a fantastic counter motion in the double bass towards the end of the piece). The originality of the piece's conceptual design is to my opinion astonishing, where something that has been introduced as seemingly complete cacaphonic chaos reaches a musical conclusion that satisfyingly concludes and combines all of its thematic components. It is extremely playful and virtuosic, but has musical substance and vitality to it at the same time. Even in Crystal Skull, which isn't a particular favourite, I feel that the depth of Williams' musical language exceeds that of his contempories. I know I sound like a complete geek with my academic concerns, but I feel a need to defend what I believe in many ways is the best work of 2008.

    - Mark


    Paragraph it and then I'll read it.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2009
    biggrin

    (I didn't want to mention it as I've already caused enough trouble in this thread.)
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2009 edited
    My personal favourites -

    Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears A Who! - John Powell


    I enjoyed it immensely! Good themes and the Powell action stuff is terrific!

    Kung Fu Panda - Hans Zimmer and John Powell

    The main theme is terrific, the ethnic stuff quite accurate. The choir, action stuff and meticulous use of synths, I loved it!

    Bolt - John Powell

    This one screams "Academy Promo"!!

    Frost/Nixon - Hans Zimmer

    True beauty of Zimmer's minimalistic music!

    Eagle Eye - Brian Tyler

    Media Ventures inspired stuff suits him! One badass action score!

    Defiance - James Newton Howard

    Really gorgeous, JNH definitely made a great comeback after a rather dull 2007!

    The Dark Knight - Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard

    Took me time to get used to, but I finally have. Much more mature than BB and both the maestros got enough stuff to contribute. Joker's sound design is spot-on creepy!!

    Afrika - Wataru Hokoyama

    What a terrific main theme! And great orchestral stuffs!

    Tale of Despereaux - William Ross

    An unexpected big orchestral/epic surprise, I LOVED it!

    Standard Operating Procedure - Danny Elfman

    Deliciously Elfman stuff, it's grown on me!