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- CommentTimeMar 19th 2009
Anthony wrote
Two other things I noticed:
- If Rousseau overwrote the message playing the numbers in 1988, why are they playing now?
- Is the reason Juliet was recruited to go to the island because Ben witnessed her delivering Ethan?
Lostpedia also makes comment on that. Maybe it was to highlight the mixing up of times at that particular moment (ie. the Numbers were a mixing from the past)... Or maybe it means something else.
Your theory about Ben and Juliet is quite possible. Also, remember when someone (can't remember who) told Ben: "She reminds you of her". Could they be referring to past-Juliet?
Also, something I forgot to mention: The 316 landing - made my dad watch it who is an aeronautical engineer. He said the indications, codes and actions used by the pilots were appropriate for the situation. And he said that the landing was possible, even though there would be high chances of the plane catching fire, but it depends on a lot of factors: eg. how dense the trees were, the angle, the pilot, luck. So overall, there is a possibility that a plane could land in such a manner and remain mostly intact.
As for Sun: it's a big mystery. We'll just have to wait and see I guess! -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMar 19th 2009
GreekfoX wrote
Also, something I forgot to mention: The 316 landing - made my dad watch it who is an aeronautical engineer. He said the indications, codes and actions used by the pilots were appropriate for the situation. And he said that the landing was possible, even though there would be high chances of the plane catching fire, but it depends on a lot of factors: eg. how dense the trees were, the angle, the pilot, luck. So overall, there is a possibility that a plane could land in such a manner and remain mostly intact.
I was more concerned as to whether we'd actually see the landing or just the stupid flash of light to even care about the realism of the thing. -
- CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
Haven't seen the new episode yet but isn't it worrying that there's virtually no interesting or any new musical material from Giacchino this season so far? Dead, repeats of previous stuff. I guess echoing his own unease with the turn of the show?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
GreekfoX wrote
And on a last note: Did everyone else also feel sorry for the co-pilot? (PS. Did you notice the broadcast of the Numbers from the radio?)
Feel sorry for him? No. We didn't know him, we don't care, just like nobody gives a fuck for all the other similar deaths in Lost
As for the numbers' broadcast, i noticed too!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 20th 2009 edited
GreekfoX wrote
Anthony wrote
Two other things I noticed:
- If Rousseau overwrote the message playing the numbers in 1988, why are they playing now?
- Is the reason Juliet was recruited to go to the island because Ben witnessed her delivering Ethan?
Lostpedia also makes comment on that. Maybe it was to highlight the mixing up of times at that particular moment (ie. the Numbers were a mixing from the past)... Or maybe it means something else.
Your theory about Ben and Juliet is quite possible. Also, remember when someone (can't remember who) told Ben: "She reminds you of her". Could they be referring to past-Juliet?
Also, something I forgot to mention: The 316 landing - made my dad watch it who is an aeronautical engineer. He said the indications, codes and actions used by the pilots were appropriate for the situation. And he said that the landing was possible, even though there would be high chances of the plane catching fire, but it depends on a lot of factors: eg. how dense the trees were, the angle, the pilot, luck. So overall, there is a possibility that a plane could land in such a manner and remain mostly intact.
As for Sun: it's a big mystery. We'll just have to wait and see I guess!
Ask your father if the maneuvers and the turning upside down roll as they went through the time flash performed by the plane and crew prior to landing are possible in a loaded b737 without actually breaking up, or if a plane can loose such a tremendous amount of altitude so that from cruising level (around FL350) a passenger jet like b737 can find itself instantly leveling to the ground at landing speed at such a rapid descent and a short amount of time without engine thrust and without hitting the ground, or breaking up due to overstress of the fuselage and overspeed.
Let me fore-run: no.
Other than that crap, a very enjoyable episode indeed!
The music's completely on autopilot this season, very disappointing.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
Well obviously, Giacchino went back in time and used existing pieces.Kazoo -
- CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Ask your father if the maneuvers and the turning upside down roll as they went through the time flash performed by the plane and crew prior to landing are possible in a loaded b737 without actually breaking up, or if a plane can loose such a tremendous amount of altitude so that from cruising level (around FL350) a passenger jet like b737 can find itself instantly leveling to the ground at landing speed at such a rapid descent and a short amount of time without engine thrust and without hitting the ground, or breaking up due to overstress of the fuselage and overspeed.
Let me fore-run: no.
Other than that crap, a very enjoyable episode indeed!
The music's completely on autopilot this season, very disappointing.
I will ask him again if you want, but like I said he watched the entire scene carefully (2-3 times) and the only thing he commented on was the landing (and even that would be influenced by many factors). During the turbulence and landing procedure, he paid attention to the pilots' actions and the sound of the engines (remember they died and then were started again) and didn't seem to find anything odd about that. They did all the necessary actions, including reverse thrust or whatever they call it. Oh, one other thing he mentioned was that the controls in the cockpit, didn't quite match the ones that were supposed to be on that type of plane.
But putting aside my dad's comments, from what I saw (someone who is not an expert in planes at all) the whole scenario seemed plausible to me. Plus, I believe that a show like Lost is using the opinion of experts in scenes like that one. Otherwise, how would they know for example how a pilot would react in such a case? Also, as a viewer, it troubles me more about how the plane went from a night sky to bright daylight over the island, and not what the probabilities were of Frank managing to land the plane under the circumstances (ie. it don't matter to me if they had 1% or 99% chances of getting out alive).
As for the co-pilot: I don't know why I felt sorry for him. Maybe it's because we haven't seen another death in this season yet... (of someone who actually had lines in the show!). -
- CommentTimeMar 20th 2009
You think it's plausible 'cause you aren't into planesThe actions were correct, on average, but not the physics. Anyway, minor geeky details
The episode itself was very, very good. Apart from that, that is
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Haven't seen the new episode yet but isn't it worrying that there's virtually no interesting or any new musical material from Giacchino this season so far? Dead, repeats of previous stuff. I guess echoing his own unease with the turn of the show?
2 things: Star Trek and Up.
This guy needs sleep! so He can't composer more than he already did for this show!
Anyway, "Namaste" contains the best musical moments of this season (I know, that's not very hard to beat). There's not any new motif, but at least some nostalgic reprises of season 1 omnipresent main theme.
About the show, I enjoyed "namaste" very much. Give me more like this or "lafleur" instead "life and death of...." -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
You think it's plausible 'cause you aren't into planesThe actions were correct, on average, but not the physics. Anyway, minor geeky details
The episode itself was very, very good. Apart from that, that is
But exactly my points! It's good to question these things, I do it for example in shows like X-Files or CSI where DNA, genetics and biology come into play. But if it's put in a relatively "nice" context, contains one basic truthful idea and the scenario behind it is good and correct, then I won't let it affect my judgement for the episode. For example, if the CSI team perform PCR in 12 mins, then I know it's bull, but I simply skip it cause the idea behind it is correct. And the average viewer wouldn't know how long PCR takes to be performed anyway!
Now, coming to series like Lost: Again I think as long as the basic idea behind it is correct, then I don't think you should read too much into it. Besides, Lost has earned the right to bend some rules ever since episode 1.1, when a bunch of passengers survived the 815 crash!
Something about the episode: Ben is old enough to remember some faces let's say. Does this mean that when 815 crashed, Ben recognised the survivors? That would mean that everything Ben did was planned all along.
Also, something else that just popped into my mind: Ben (along with Sun, Frank and John) is stuck at present. Why wasn't he taken back to the past? Could it be because there is already another Ben in 1977? And thus, the two couldn't cross paths? If that's the reason, could it also mean that perhaps a young Sun is on the island as well? Remember, her dad was doing business with Widmore or Hanso, didn't he? -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Nautilus wrote
Anyway, "Namaste" contains the best musical moments of this season (I know, that's not very hard to beat). There's not any new motif, but at least some nostalgic reprises of season 1 omnipresent main theme.
No it didn't!
They just tracked in "The Gathering" which was the emotional high point of season 2. Compared to the new stuff this season still outshines it. I'd say "The Little Prince" has had the best score out of the new episodes so far. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
You think it's plausible 'cause you aren't into planesThe actions were correct, on average, but not the physics. Anyway, minor geeky details
The episode itself was very, very good. Apart from that, that is
I've got to agree. It looked like the plane was swerving between mountains, going upsidown, doing some barrel rolls...
...I know nothing about planes, but even I thought that scene was stupid. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
GreekfoX wrote
Christodoulides wrote
You think it's plausible 'cause you aren't into planesThe actions were correct, on average, but not the physics. Anyway, minor geeky details
The episode itself was very, very good. Apart from that, that is
But exactly my points! It's good to question these things, I do it for example in shows like X-Files or CSI where DNA, genetics and biology come into play. But if it's put in a relatively "nice" context, contains one basic truthful idea and the scenario behind it is good and correct, then I won't let it affect my judgement for the episode. For example, if the CSI team perform PCR in 12 mins, then I know it's bull, but I simply skip it cause the idea behind it is correct. And the average viewer wouldn't know how long PCR takes to be performed anyway!
Now, coming to series like Lost: Again I think as long as the basic idea behind it is correct, then I don't think you should read too much into it. Besides, Lost has earned the right to bend some rules ever since episode 1.1, when a bunch of passengers survived the 815 crash!
Something about the episode: Ben is old enough to remember some faces let's say. Does this mean that when 815 crashed, Ben recognised the survivors? That would mean that everything Ben did was planned all along.
Also, something else that just popped into my mind: Ben (along with Sun, Frank and John) is stuck at present. Why wasn't he taken back to the past? Could it be because there is already another Ben in 1977? And thus, the two couldn't cross paths? If that's the reason, could it also mean that perhaps a young Sun is on the island as well? Remember, her dad was doing business with Widmore or Hanso, didn't he?
Exactly, seeking realism in LOST is a bit of a no-pointerBut just debating.
Other than that? On your marks on Ben, that's VERY accurate. He seemed weird enough as to have been knowing all of them from before, something was there when he met them afterward when the plane crashed, it's quite plausible that's the thing that happened indeed, and he remembered their faces. Oh and little Ben ROCKS! Quite freaky!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Other than that? On your marks on Ben, that's VERY accurate. He seemed weird enough as to have been knowing all of them from before, something was there when he met them afterward when the plane crashed, it's quite plausible that's the thing that happened indeed, and he remembered their faces. Oh and little Ben ROCKS! Quite freaky!
I HATE little Ben! I felt sorry for him when we found out in the past how his dad was treating him and all that, but he is still hard to like - especially knowing who he'll grow up to be! If I came across that kid I would actually punch him! :p
And it just occurred to me... The List.... Jacob's List.... Could Ben be simply writing those names, based on the knowledge he already had of them? And is that why the Others had such a big file of all the 815 survivors? Because prior to the crash, Ben began investigating certain people, such as Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley... He found out that these people happily existed off the island, unaware of its presence and realised that somehow they would come to play an important part to the island's future (and past!). Then, enter the 815 crash and boom! "Hi my name is Ben and I know what you had for lunch 3 days ago!" In season 1 we thought: "Wow, that's freaky" but I think it kinda makes sense now! -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
hehe yeah. I think it's only me, but i like BEN a lot! Him and Sawyer are my favorites, Jack is my least favorite along with Claire and the other blonde dead bitch, Shannon. Oh and KATE IS HOT.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Also, i wouldn't be surprised if Jacob is just a birth child of Ben's imagination. But then again where does Jack's dead father fit in all thaT?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009 edited
Christodoulides wrote
Also, i wouldn't be surprised if Jacob is just a birth child of Ben's imagination. But then again where does Jack's dead father fit in all thaT?
But John has also seen and heard Jacob. And Christian knows of him as well... Plus, Richard knew of Jacob too before Ben came in the picture (remember when John traveled to the past and mentioned Jacob to Richard?)
What if Jacob is yet another manifestation of the thing we know as "monster"? What if it's a spirit of some sort?
As for likes and dislikes: Top of the list would have to be Charlie, Desmond (and Penny), Hurley, Sayid (cleverest of all) and of course my new favourite Daniel. I like Jin as well. Sawyer I like at times. Kate and Jack used to love them but then they both got quite stubborn and confused and annoying. John I used to like a lot at the beginning but not anymore. Sun is alright. Charlotte is ok. Juliet I hate. Ben I hate. Miles couldn't care less. Michael and his brat were annoying. I loved Ana Lucia. Libby was alright. Boone was easy to sympathise with at times, as well as Claire (when she wasn't treating Charlie badly) but not Shannon. Mr Eko was alright before the explosion at the hatch. And I also liked Nikki and Paolo, in contrast to most fans who hated them for some reason! -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
The reason for Nikki and Paolo's hatred is because they were FRIGGIN USELESS! Why were they even there? Nobody can give a reasonable answer, besides wasting 2 hours of our lives!
As for Jacob, i know what you say; but maybe Ben convinced them of his existence at a point where they thought they actually heard or saw him?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
hehe yeah. I think it's only me, but i like BEN a lot! Him and Sawyer are my favorites, Jack is my least favorite along with Claire and the other blonde dead bitch, Shannon. Oh and KATE IS HOT.
Agreed, Kate is hot, but Juliet is hotter.New leader Sawyer is awesome! Jack is a complete ass now, Locke is just confused and Sun is annoying the hell out of me.
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- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Sun is very, very annoying indeed. From a shy Korean girl in the first seasons, she has turned into this super-evil plotting bitch, i hate her!
Oh and Juliet is HOTTER than Kate?!? SERIOUSLY?? Man; everybody likes MILFs but your condition is very serious :PLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
The reason for Nikki and Paolo's hatred is because they were FRIGGIN USELESS! ?
I can't see how Nikki could be considered Useless. I have at least 100 things/jobs where she could be very, very useful. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Oh and i have 200 more. But nothing involved lost, smokey, trees or islands.
Oh; wait...Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Oh and i have 200 more. But nothing involved lost, smokey, trees or islands.
Oh; wait...
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- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Kate is hotter than Juliet but I can see why Sawyer would pick Juliet at this point. Also, there is something about Juliet's look: It's a mixture of emotions, including that of constipation! :p
I must say that I like dynamic Sun. It's quite ironic to see her and Jin's roles reversed compared to prior the island. But since we've been past the whole "she cheated on Jin issue" (I didn't like her for that), I now went back to liking her. Especially after smashing Ben on the head!
Nikki and Paolo: I liked them because they were something fresh. Their story and flashbacks incorporated nicely into the other stories. I liked them because for a change two of the background survivors got their stories out. And of course, Nikki was hot. Their ending was the worse of all, probably one of the worst deaths someone can have.But, they didn't play as team-players, even though they were a step ahead of everyone else.
Basically, Nikki and Paolo did the same mistake that John, Jack, Kate and now Sawyer are doing all the time. Keep things to themselves and try to be "leaders" instead of team-players. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
I didn't by any means dislike Nikki and Paulo. They were VERY, VERY annoying when they appeared before their centric episode, but even when that episode that had nothing to do with the main story came along, it was at least enjoyable. -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
I didn't like them 'cause it was a cheaty, cheap excuse for the producers to buy time.
As for Julliet, Sawyer is with her 'CAUSE HOT KATE WASN'T AROUND! Period.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Screw that! Hot Juliet and leader Sawyer, and stroppy Jack and miserable Kate thank you very much! -
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Christodoulides wrote
I didn't like them 'cause it was a cheaty, cheap excuse for the producers to buy time.
As for Julliet, Sawyer is with her 'CAUSE HOT KATE WASN'T AROUND! Period.
Yes, possibly... But it's been 3 years now and I would like to think that James feels something for Juliet. Plus, I would also like to think that he got tired of Kate's indecisiveness!
Now, Jack always loved Kate, so she should stick with him and learn to be happy about it! Many women would want to be with Matthew Fox... er, Jack Shephard I mean!
Otherwise they should all get together every few days and have a wild party... -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMar 21st 2009
Wait, us MEN are having discussions about characters love life? Get a bucket.