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- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
Timmer wrote
NP : DRACULA - John Williams
Now this really is good, a wonderfully old-fashioned gothic romantic score.
I also love the film. Frank Langella is one of my favourite actors. Coppola's "Dracula" ows much to this film.
I have 6 Dracula-Versions in my DVD collection:
1922: Nosferatu - Eine Symphonie des Grauens (Friedrich Wilhem Murnau; Max Schreck)
1931: Dracula (Tod Browning; Bela Lugosi)
1958: Dracula (Terence Fischer; Christopher Lee)
1979: Nosferatu - Phantom der Nacht (Werner Herzog, Klaus Kinski)
1979: Dracula (John Bandham; Frank Langella)
1993: Bram Stoker's Darcula (Francis Ford Coppola; Gary Oldman)Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
NP : OUTLAND - Jerry Goldsmith
Fabulous score, very ominous and creepy outer space music perfect for this very cold night.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAtham
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Timmer wrote
NP : OUTLAND - Jerry Goldsmith
Fabulous score, very ominous and creepy outer space music perfect for this very cold night.
Every couple of months or so I HAVE TO play Outland. I love it! -
- CommentAuthorchristopher
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
I've had a Mark McKenzie day. I've been listening to my favorite tracks from Durango, The Greatest Miracle, Blizzard, Saving Sarah Cain, The Disappearance of Garcia Lorca, The Lost Child, and the Last Sin Eater. It's been a beautiful day! -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
With Durango receiving a recent digital release there has been a bit of a buzz about this one.
I listened to it for the first time yesterday and for me there's definitely highs and lows in it.
Any of the score that minimises the stock Celtic instrumentation is a plus: when it is used it seems to be quite unsubtle. But the more sweeping and emotional (romantic) music is very good.
Also, if I had of heard this before Shore's music for The Lord of The Rings, I would have been struck by the similarities. I've noticed similarites but out of chronological order: and these similarities go deeper than just Celtic instrumentation.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
NP: Psycho - Bernard Herrmann
What a spectacularly excellent score this is. I don't think that today we can fully appreciate what impact this would have had on the cinema-going audience at the time, but we can marvel at the innovation of Herrmann as heard in this score. One of the greatest film scores of all time.
I think that I am off on a Herrmann feast...though a bit of an unusual feast. I've been listening to the score as heard in the film (and as it appears to be from the actual film track it includes the few tracked sequence decisions that were made for the film). Although the sound quality is not the best, it conveys the distinctive original sound that few of the various re-recordings have since captured). I think that next up will be another version. But which one will it be...The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
You should play the Elfman version -- the best soundtrack recording out there, even including Herrmann's own.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Thor wrote
You should play the Elfman version -- the best soundtrack recording out there, even including Herrmann's own.
Definitely! I do have that lined up for later: it will be the climax to this afternoon's Herrmann/Psycho marathon. But there are others to savour too!The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
I am going to play
Shane - A Tribute to Victor Young The Ney Zealand Symphony Orchestra conducted by Richard Kaufman, RKYOUNG, 2010
I aquired this album upon recommendation by JBlough over at filmtracks.
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
FalkirkBairn wrote
Thor wrote
You should play the Elfman version -- the best soundtrack recording out there, even including Herrmann's own.
Definitely! I do have that lined up for later: it will be the climax to this afternoon's Herrmann/Psycho marathon. But there are others to savour too!
I'll be interested to hear what you think of the different versions? Personally I go with Thor and say Elfman's is the best recording of the full score.
I suspect that many people aren't aware that Herrmann's original film score is not available.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Timmer wrote
I suspect that many people aren't aware that Herrmann's original film score is not available.
Herrmann's original score IS available. It was released digitally quite recently and can be found in iTunes and stores such as Amazon.
I think that it's one of these releases so hated by most people outside Europe, taking advantage of the differences in copyright laws around the world. This version hasn't been remastered or cleaned up in any way (hence the relatively poor sound quality) but it's not unlistenable.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
NP: Psycho - Bernard Herrmann
After the OST I moved on to the version that first exposed me to Herrmann's score (first on LP then CD): Unicorn-Kanchana's 1975 re-recording featuring Herrmann himself conducting the National Philharmonic Orchestra.
I have a soft spot for this recording. I love the sound that Herrmann gets out of the orchestra. There's a grittiness about the strings that recalls the original. But Herrmann (as he did with a lot of his re-recordings) varied the tempo of a lot of the tracks - for a better listening experience, I presume. He slowed down some of the more vigorous tracks (e.g., the main title, etc) and slightly quickened some of the more pedestrian cues.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
I suspect that many people aren't aware that Tim wasn't aware of that. In fact nobody was aware.
I'll wait for a cleaned up version thank you very much.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
I do hope that a cleaned up version does appear at some stage in the future.
I know that FSM's 250th and final release has been speculated to be a number of titles and NOT Psycho but wouldn't this Herrmann score be a superb title to go out with?The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
FalkirkBairn wrote
I do hope that a cleaned up version does appear at some stage in the future.
I know that FSM's 250th and final release has been speculated to be a number of titles and NOT Psycho but wouldn't this Herrmann score be a superb title to go out with?
Given the time that has passed, the FSM lable has already gone out. (On "King Kong Special Edition", no bad thing.) No 250 will be more of a short revival.Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013 edited
NP: Oz: The Great and Powerful - Danny Elfman
Danny Elfman's score to Oz: The Great and Powerful is neither great nor powerful. Discuss.
-Erik-
PS - I'm about 11 tracks into a 27 track album that is 67 minutes long. So far, I feel like I've been listening to this for hours.
host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
NP: Oz: The Great and Powerful - Danny Elfman
Danny Elfman's score to Oz: The Great and Powerful is neither great nor powerful. Discuss.
-Erik-
PS - I'm about 11 tracks into a 27 track album that is 67 minutes long. So far, I feel like I've been listening to this for hours.
As I'm not an Elfman fan I wonder if I would like this? I've enjoyed quite a bit of Elfman's more recent output.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
NP: Psycho - Bernard Herrmann
I assume that the Joel McNeely/Royal Scottish National Orchestral version of Herrmann's score (released bt Varese) is the one that's familiar to most people. I think that it's a great version and tempos seem to be very similar to the original score. The recording brings to like all the subtle techniques Herrmann brings to the score.
Billed as "Complete", this version seems to have recreated Herrmann's score as he wrote it: the tracked "murder music" is not featured on this CD at the climax of the film (in fact, there's a short passage in "Discovery" that doesn't appear in either version I have listened to so far). And I assume that the music that underscores a couple of edited scenes is intact here too.
One thing though that does detract from this excellent release is that the score sounds a bit too lush and not gritty enough. Perhaps this gritty sound is more to do with the older versions I am more familiar with (the Unicorn-Kanchana version is from 1975), but McNeely's version has the strings sounding far too lush (and therefore romantic) in the early Marion/Sam cues). But this is a minor complaint. This is a fine recording and very much recommended.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Timmer wrote
Erik Woods wrote
NP: Oz: The Great and Powerful - Danny Elfman
Danny Elfman's score to Oz: The Great and Powerful is neither great nor powerful. Discuss.
-Erik-
PS - I'm about 11 tracks into a 27 track album that is 67 minutes long. So far, I feel like I've been listening to this for hours.
As I'm not an Elfman fan I wonder if I would like this? I've enjoyed quite a bit of Elfman's more recent output.
It didn't do much for me. I listened to all the sound clips, for me it was back to the Elfman I'm not enamoured with, tracks that sound promising and not delivering, meandering all over the place like Danny has got itching powder in his pants or something. Still, I shouldn't be too damning as I have only heard clips and the full CD may be more revealing? What say you after a full listen Erik?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorJosh B
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
It didn't do much for me. I listened to all the sound clips, for me it was back to the Elfman I'm not enamoured with, tracks that sound promising and not delivering, meandering all over the place like Danny has got itching powder in his pants or something. Still, I shouldn't be too damning as I have only heard clips and the full CD may be more revealing? What say you after a full listen Erik?
Yeah, the clips pretty much turned me off. I like it when Elfman is a little more restrained. Wanted, for example (maybe not restrained but the thematic material is fantastic and the cues are reasonably streamlined). -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013 edited
NP: Psycho - Bernard Herrmann
Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the 1998 remake of Psycho was the opportunity for Danny Elfman and Steve Bartek to revisit Herrmann's score. And for that I am grateful to the director!
This, for me, is a great interpretation of Herrmann's original. That "gritty" sound turns out to be my clumsy way of highlighting the close-miking of the various sections of the strings as having the microphones so close to the instruments removes much - if not all - of the interaction of the sounds with the recording space.
Tempos seem to be good and this, together with the in-your-face sound, makes for a great representation of the score. It's not a note-for-note reproduction of the score though. As well as a new "Intro/Logos" tracks (that does hint at several of the musical devices of Herrmann's score) Elfman/Bartek have added a few embellishments to the score: most notably, additional music elements to tracks such as "The Curtain" and "The Hill" and have added significant amounts of the music for the shower scene to the "Discovery" cue (which also features music omitted from the OST). But this is not a criticism as the score wasn't meant to be a faithful reproduction.
I only wish that this version was complete.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
NP: "Psycho: A Suite For Strings" - Bernard Herrmann
There are similarities of this Salonen suite with the McNeely re-recording in that it's quite a lush sound but it's a good representation of the major thematic parts of Herrmann's score and it recommended for those who cannot last the 50+ minutes of the score.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorJohn Chambers
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
FalkirkBairn wrote
NP: Psycho - Bernard Herrmann
One thing though that does detract from this excellent release is that the score sounds a bit too lush and not gritty enough. Perhaps this gritty sound is more to do with the older versions I am more familiar with (the Unicorn-Kanchana version is from 1975), but McNeely's version has the strings sounding far too lush (and therefore romantic) in the early Marion/Sam cues). But this is a minor complaint. This is a fine recording and very much recommended.
This is my favourite recording of the score and I treasure it. For some reason I'm not entirely sure of I prefer re-recorded Herrmann to the originals, it may be that the clarity of more recent recordings allow his amazing orchestrations to shine. I'm immensely grateful to Varese, Intrada, Tribute and many others for their efforts over the last 15 or so years. To me the lush sound of the strings is a positive and one of the things that makes me prefer this recording but I completely understand why you prefer the grittiness of other recordings. The film itself is one of my favourites too, pretty much perfect in every regard. -
- CommentAuthorJohn Chambers
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
The Golden Child Barry
I really enjoy this rejected score though it's complete presentation is a bit much for me. A lot of it feels to my ears like a mix between his Bond scores and 'The Black Hole', I love it. The beautifully titled "7m4/8m0/1" reminds me of 'Out Of Africa', really gorgeous music. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Timmer wrote
Erik Woods wrote
NP: Oz: The Great and Powerful - Danny Elfman
Danny Elfman's score to Oz: The Great and Powerful is neither great nor powerful. Discuss.
-Erik-
PS - I'm about 11 tracks into a 27 track album that is 67 minutes long. So far, I feel like I've been listening to this for hours.
As I'm not an Elfman fan I wonder if I would like this? I've enjoyed quite a bit of Elfman's more recent output.
I'm pretty much the opposite - my previous regard for him has rather faded over the past couple of years. I can't really remember the last score of his that I can truly say I loved, though various ones have been decent enough. -
- CommentAuthorchristopher
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Erik Woods wrote
NP: Oz: The Great and Powerful - Danny Elfman
Danny Elfman's score to Oz: The Great and Powerful is neither great nor powerful. Discuss.
On my first listen now. There's a very loud statement of the opening melody of "O Canada" at :54 into the main theme
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- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013 edited
NP: Regarding Henry - Hans Zimmer
It's good music. It's a very relaxing album that's high on thematic and melodic material. And yet the score is mixed behind everything else in the movie. I don't know why they hired Hans in the first place. I understand that it was to replace Delerue's good music, and then undermine the choice with the mix. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
The Avengers Alan Silvestri
A fan made edited version (far superior to the official album). It's a not-bad action score with a pretty decent theme. Though, if this was 80s Silvestri, this probably would have been the best score of 2012. Still, I'm glad he still manages to get the odd blockbuster gig. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
Timmer wrote
It didn't do much for me. I listened to all the sound clips, for me it was back to the Elfman I'm not enamoured with, tracks that sound promising and not delivering, meandering all over the place like Danny has got itching powder in his pants or something. Still, I shouldn't be too damning as I have only heard clips and the full CD may be more revealing? What say you after a full listen Erik?
You hit the nail right on the head with the meandering all over the place comment. Oz is schizophrenic... but that's expected coming from a composer who wrote a symphony called "Serenada Schizophrana."
Oz doesn't really have focus. However, the last few tracks are quite good but as a whole the album left me disappointed and rather bored. It's a slog of an album. 67 minutes feels like hours! And the "O Canada" quote is
Die hard Elfman fans will love this score though. I think every single Elfmanism is in the score. But I think I too am starting to get tired of the la la la la's and oooooohoooooooh's from the children's choir! That sort of thing has lost its charm over the years, IMO.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeMar 5th 2013
I've only heard the sound clips from OZ so far (I want to get a physical CD for this, as I collect all Elfman), and I thought it sounded brilliant and entertaining! So quite the opposite reaction as you guys. It remains to be seen whether the whole album holds up as well.I am extremely serious.
