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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013 edited
    PawelStroinski wrote
    While it's an opinion, it may come from a musicological analysis of Ottman's work, which was most probably a scientific process.


    I wonder sometimes.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013
    NP: bunny

    I always thought maybe the reason Hans put so much passion into this score was that his father also died when he was young and so the story became unusually personal to him.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013
    NP: Superman: The Movie - John Williams

    I have a real soft spot for the John Debney/Royal Scottish National Orchestra re-recording of this score. There's a few flubbed notes and tempo changes but as a whole this is one faithful re-recording that took a lot of man hours to complete; reconstructing the score from scratch using Williams original sketches. I can’t imagine how much work was thrown into doing that.

    Superman is one of the all time greatest scores and thanks to Varese, the reconstruction orchestrators, John Debney and the RSNO we get to hear this masterpiece for the very first time in brilliant crystal clear digital sound! I highly recommend that everyone pick up this recording even if you own the original soundtrack recording.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorMiya
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013
    Scribe wrote
    NP: bunny

    I always thought maybe the reason Hans put so much passion into this score was that his father also died when he was young and so the story became unusually personal to him.


    Yes it was. He said so several times, on TLK DVD interview for example. He said it's one of the most profound thing he's ever wrote (in other interview if I remember correctly).



    NP: bunny
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  1. PawelStroinski wrote
    Martijn wrote
    David OC wrote
    But you're being a bit disrespectful there mate.


    Why? He just gives his opinion (as passionately undiluted as only a southern European may do wink ).
    The fact that it doesn't coincide with your own assessment doesn't make it disrespectful.

    On that note I have never really understood the concept of "respect" with regards to objects.
    If the statement had been made against Ottman as a person I could understand it better. Against a creation...well. One likes it, or one doesn't. Nothing to do with (dis)respect in my opinion.

    PawelStroinski wrote
    Or scientific.


    Opinions on music are science now?


    While it's an opinion, it may come from a musicological analysis of Ottman's work, which was most probably a scientific process.


    What you can say from a scientific standpoint is, what influences you detect, how the work is structured, how simple or elaborate it is. You can say something about the thematic and stylistic coheson, I'll give you that. Of course simplicity does not mean it's superficial necessarily.
    Still, whether you like what you are hearing is up to your opinion.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  2. Erik Woods wrote
    NP: Superman: The Movie - John Williams

    I have a real soft spot for the John Debney/Royal Scottish National Orchestra re-recording of this score. There's a few flubbed notes and tempo changes but as a whole this is one faithful re-recording that took a lot of man hours to complete; reconstructing the score from scratch using Williams original sketches. I can’t imagine how much work was thrown into doing that.

    Superman is one of the all time greatest scores and thanks to Varese, the reconstruction orchestrators, John Debney and the RSNO we get to hear this masterpiece for the very first time in brilliant crystal clear digital sound! I highly recommend that everyone pick up this recording even if you own the original soundtrack recording.

    -Erik-


    So I did.
    I bought it after I had the Rhino edition for quite a while and I never regretted my decision.
    I would love to own the version from the fsm box set but that is way too much money in one place. Maybe a mastering based on the source used there will be made available in a stand alone release someday.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  3. NP:

    Poltergeist II by Jerry Goldsmith. The first cue is great but it sounds like a mixture of Rozsa and Kitaro.

    Serenity by David Newman This score did not much for me upon first listen. I'll give it another go after Carol Anne is save again.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013
    http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/m … velasquez/

    Something a little unusual for me.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013 edited
    Interesting review Tom.
    From that, I'm not sure the score's for me. (Additionally I saw the film trailer today, and it looks like your generic modern-day horror fare, with little to nothing new in the way of style or approach. For now I'd say I'm skipping this one.)
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorsdtom
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013
    I had a good friend who saw it and raved about it.
    Tom
    listen to more classical music!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2013
    Really?
    Hm. OK.
    I'll read some more reviews.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  4. Captain Future wrote
    PawelStroinski wrote
    Martijn wrote
    David OC wrote
    But you're being a bit disrespectful there mate.


    Why? He just gives his opinion (as passionately undiluted as only a southern European may do wink ).
    The fact that it doesn't coincide with your own assessment doesn't make it disrespectful.

    On that note I have never really understood the concept of "respect" with regards to objects.
    If the statement had been made against Ottman as a person I could understand it better. Against a creation...well. One likes it, or one doesn't. Nothing to do with (dis)respect in my opinion.

    PawelStroinski wrote
    Or scientific.


    Opinions on music are science now?


    While it's an opinion, it may come from a musicological analysis of Ottman's work, which was most probably a scientific process.


    What you can say from a scientific standpoint is, what influences you detect, how the work is structured, how simple or elaborate it is. You can say something about the thematic and stylistic coheson, I'll give you that. Of course simplicity does not mean it's superficial necessarily.
    Still, whether you like what you are hearing is up to your opinion.


    What I meant is that the statement might have been that on a purely technical level Ottman's music is the way Demetris described it, which he based on having gotten a degree in Musicology, which gives him the analytical devices to properly analyze a musical piece's complexity. While it's a brutal statement, it may be true, which I can't assess as I am not formally trained in music (except reading a book on theory - a kind of "theory for dummies" and having learnt keyboard and drums for a year each). This is what I meant.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  5. Jerry Goldsmith - Hoosiers

    You guys think that a classic sports score will help me regain my energy to try to save my PhD thesis?
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  6. PawelStroinski wrote
    Jerry Goldsmith - Hoosiers

    You guys think that a classic sports score will help me regain my energy to try to save my PhD thesis?


    You are having trouble there, pal? Sorry to hear that!
    While I never wrote a thesis that big, obviously, I have heard many times from people who did, that writing such a thesis is a troublesome, stretching process with many ups and downs. I experianced a tiny bit of that when writing my exam thesis (about Karl May). So keep a stiff upper lip, will you !?!!

    I am not such abig fan of "Hoosiers" but it might just be the thing for you.
    ...

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  7. My situation is very complex and I honestly can't find the right thread to write about it. There was something created by Alan or Martijn once, but I don't remember what the title was, so I can't look it up in search...

    Last few weeks were extremely taxing on an energetic AND emotional level. And rest is coming nowhere close.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website
  8. PawelStroinski wrote
    My situation is very complex and I honestly can't find the right thread to write about it. There was something created by Alan or Martijn once, but I don't remember what the title was, so I can't look it up in search...

    Last few weeks were extremely taxing on an energetic AND emotional level. And rest is coming nowhere close.


    Well not everything is fit for beeing made public anyway. There are threads that are only visible for members. I don't know if those come up with the search engine.

    Take care!
    V.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  9. The Fury Williams

    Extremely surprised that this reached me in Bristol so soon! The sound is stunning, the music glorious; I really can't recommend it enough!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    John Chambers wrote
    The Fury Williams

    Extremely surprised that this reached me in Bristol so soon! The sound is stunning, the music glorious; I really can't recommend it enough!


    A fantastic score, and brilliant album (the original LP program, that is)!
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    NP: VARESE SARABANDE 30TH ANNIVERSARY THINGIE (various)

    I keep playing this 4CD set quite often. So many wonderful themes, arranged beautifully as listening experiences. Most of them I don't even have the soundtracks from.
    I am extremely serious.
  10. Thor wrote
    John Chambers wrote
    The Fury Williams

    Extremely surprised that this reached me in Bristol so soon! The sound is stunning, the music glorious; I really can't recommend it enough!


    A fantastic score, and brilliant album (the original LP program, that is)!


    Now, the original score is so vastly different from the LP presentation that your world famous "expanded-scores-theory" can't possibly apply here.

    NP: Deep Impact - James Horner
    I fogot how good this one is!
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    Captain Future wrote
    Thor wrote
    John Chambers wrote
    The Fury Williams

    Extremely surprised that this reached me in Bristol so soon! The sound is stunning, the music glorious; I really can't recommend it enough!


    A fantastic score, and brilliant album (the original LP program, that is)!


    Now, the original score is so vastly different from the LP presentation that your world famous "expanded-scores-theory" can't possibly apply here.


    Huh? I'm not sure I follow you. You mean different in terms of SOUND? There is indeed a difference in pace, fluidity etc. between the original recording and the rerecording, but the main difference is still the way the two albums are ARRANGED.
    I am extremely serious.
  11. Thor wrote
    Captain Future wrote
    Thor wrote
    John Chambers wrote
    The Fury Williams

    Extremely surprised that this reached me in Bristol so soon! The sound is stunning, the music glorious; I really can't recommend it enough!


    A fantastic score, and brilliant album (the original LP program, that is)!


    Now, the original score is so vastly different from the LP presentation that your world famous "expanded-scores-theory" can't possibly apply here.


    Huh? I'm not sure I follow you. You mean different in terms of SOUND? There is indeed a difference in pace, fluidity etc. between the original recording and the rerecording, but the main difference is still the way the two albums are ARRANGED.


    O yeah, they do differ in terms of sound. Distinctly so. The London Symphony's typical late 70s sound is emidiately recoginzable in contrast to the LA casted orchestra. Also Williams reworking of the music for the LP "concert" presentation makes each album a listening experiance of its own.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013 edited
    JP : EARTHQUAKE - John Williams



    Excellent, very 1970's score with a fabulous theme and some fun, even cheesy, pop/jazz moments.

    I always particularly loved this track from the album, a lovely cocktail lounge arrangement of the main theme...

    CITY THEME

    ...and is that Johnny tinkling the ivories on this? wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    Captain Future wrote
    Thor wrote
    Captain Future wrote
    Thor wrote
    John Chambers wrote
    The Fury Williams

    Extremely surprised that this reached me in Bristol so soon! The sound is stunning, the music glorious; I really can't recommend it enough!


    A fantastic score, and brilliant album (the original LP program, that is)!


    Now, the original score is so vastly different from the LP presentation that your world famous "expanded-scores-theory" can't possibly apply here.


    Huh? I'm not sure I follow you. You mean different in terms of SOUND? There is indeed a difference in pace, fluidity etc. between the original recording and the rerecording, but the main difference is still the way the two albums are ARRANGED.


    O yeah, they do differ in terms of sound. Distinctly so. The London Symphony's typical late 70s sound is emidiately recoginzable in contrast to the LA casted orchestra. Also Williams reworking of the music for the LP "concert" presentation makes each album a listening experiance of its own.


    The original recording certainly is A FORM OF listening experience, but IMO not a very good one -- despite being performed impeccably by the LA orchestra.
    I am extremely serious.
  12. Thor wrote
    Captain Future wrote
    Thor wrote
    Captain Future wrote
    Thor wrote
    John Chambers wrote
    The Fury Williams

    Extremely surprised that this reached me in Bristol so soon! The sound is stunning, the music glorious; I really can't recommend it enough!


    A fantastic score, and brilliant album (the original LP program, that is)!


    Now, the original score is so vastly different from the LP presentation that your world famous "expanded-scores-theory" can't possibly apply here.


    Huh? I'm not sure I follow you. You mean different in terms of SOUND? There is indeed a difference in pace, fluidity etc. between the original recording and the rerecording, but the main difference is still the way the two albums are ARRANGED.


    O yeah, they do differ in terms of sound. Distinctly so. The London Symphony's typical late 70s sound is emidiately recoginzable in contrast to the LA casted orchestra. Also Williams reworking of the music for the LP "concert" presentation makes each album a listening experiance of its own.


    The original recording certainly is A FORM OF listening experience, but IMO not a very good one -- despite being performed impeccably by the LA orchestra.


    That's right. I didn't mean to say, the LA orchestra was bad.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    NP : DRACULA - John Williams



    Now this really is good, a wonderfully old-fashioned gothic romantic score.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  13. NP: The Island - Steve Jablonsky
    I was in the mood for some heavy metal synth scoring. Some really good cues here.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    Timmer wrote
    NP : DRACULA - John Williams



    Now this really is good, a wonderfully old-fashioned gothic romantic score.


    I never really believed the oft-mentioned story that Williams had never seen or heard a DRACULA movie before he did this one. I'm sure that he had been exposed to SOME Dracula stuff in some way or another.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    Captain Future wrote
    NP: The Island - Steve Jablonsky
    I was in the mood for some heavy metal synth scoring. Some really good cues here.


    Jablonsky's best score, IMO.
    I am extremely serious.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2013
    Thor wrote
    Timmer wrote
    NP : DRACULA - John Williams



    Now this really is good, a wonderfully old-fashioned gothic romantic score.


    I never really believed the oft-mentioned story that Williams had never seen or heard a DRACULA movie before he did this one. I'm sure that he had been exposed to SOME Dracula stuff in some way or another.


    It does seem unlikely. I'd like to know where the original source for that story comes from?
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt