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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013 edited
    Southall wrote
    Anthony wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    The temp track bleeds through a bit... try listening to "Goodbyes" and NOT think of "Labor of Love" from Star Trek.


    It's the same notes just in a different order.


    Was it ghostwritten by Eric Morecambe?


    Nope, Brian Kilkline.

    -Erik-

    Oh, new page. SKYFALL!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
    The Touch - Basil Poledouris

    By God, I miss this man in the world of soundtrack scoring.
    Such a recognisable gift for strong melody lines is so sorely missed these days.

    Although I fully realise the Zeitgeist is against anything surpassing ambient support noise, I enjoy this album -one of Poledouris later ones- so much! An utterly winning combination of oriental instruments and occidental sense of melody, this is a beautiful and clearly epic score. Nobody, not even Zimmer, ever created sucha strong rapport between symphonic and synthetic instruments, and in this score he does it so well.

    Beautifully thematic with strong melodies and clear emotional impact throughout, powerful and exciting percussion, this is just such a fine work.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
    Martijn wrote
    Thor wrote
    God, I bless the day I can log on to this thread without seeing any goddamn SKYFALL score discussion.


    We could talk about Zimmer?


    That would be a BLESSING!
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2013
    NP: ARGO (Alexandre Desplat)

    It has some interesting exotic elements here and there, but overall rather disappointing and meandering, like most Desplat (that I've heard).
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Thor wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Thor wrote
    God, I bless the day I can log on to this thread without seeing any goddamn SKYFALL score discussion.


    We could talk about Zimmer?


    That would be a BLESSING!


    I don't recall any good ever coming of it.

    Not playing, but worth mentioning: Skyfall
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote

    I really like Skyfall as well. I put it in my top 5 of 2012 but the energy and creativity of Arnold's action music is unmatched in the Bond universe, IMO, with "Miami International" being one of the best action cues written in the past 8-10 years!

    -Erik-


    I guess "African Rundown" isn't a favorite of yours? Cause that's a blockbuster cue for me. It's the perfect (and infinitely better) counterpart to Thomas Newman's "Grand Bazaar"(?) cue.

    NP: Casino Royale - David Arnold

    Natch.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Thor wrote
    NP: ARGO (Alexandre Desplat)

    It has some interesting exotic elements here and there, but overall rather disappointing and meandering, like most Desplat (that I've heard).


    How does it compare to Skyfall?
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Martijn wrote
    The Touch - Basil Poledouris
    Nobody, not even Zimmer, ever created sucha strong rapport between symphonic and synthetic instruments, and in this score he does it so well.


    Powell does it better.

    Am I gonna get shot?
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Steven wrote
    Thor wrote
    NP: ARGO (Alexandre Desplat)

    It has some interesting exotic elements here and there, but overall rather disappointing and meandering, like most Desplat (that I've heard).


    How does it compare to Skyfall?


    I love the quote from Spy Game at the end.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013 edited
    lp wrote
    I guess "African Rundown" isn't a favorite of yours?


    I love the entire Casino Royale score.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013 edited
    Jack The Giant Slayer - John Ottman

    I remember reading a review of Anne Hathaway's performance in "Rachel Getting Married", where the writer admitted he was forced to reevaluate the actress' range. Same here. I mostly had written Ottman off as an okay composer who does his best work in smaller films. Fortunately, with each of the epic, action scores he does, he's been steadily improving and this is easily the best one yet. Great orchestrations, decent themes, just a lot of fun all around. Good work!

    (As Erik points out, "Goodbyes" is really blatant temp track love. The second half sounds like a first draft for "Labor of Love".) There's also more than a little bit of Desplat in the final cue, especially "The Girl with a Pearl Earring."
  1. John Chambers wrote
    I love 'Skyfall', I've listened to it a lot but like James I seem to appreciate it more with every listen, I think it's an incredibly rich piece of work. I really like the romantic music in 'Casino Royale' but the action stuff just doesn't really do much for me. Arnold's action writing hasn't really excited me since his brilliantly over the top music for 'Independence Day' and 'Godzilla'.

    I have listened to Skyfall to the exclusion of (almost) everything else since November. I can relate.
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      CommentAuthorlp
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    lp wrote
    I guess "African Rundown" isn't a favorite of yours?


    I love the entire Casino Royale score.

    -Erik-


    Let's be friend? :brohug:
  2. NP: Jack The Giant Slayer - John Ottman

    Goodness this is loud!

    I am beginning to wonder whether composers are a bit like modern car designs. With car designs of yesteryear, each design was very easily distinguished - there was a complete disregard for things like aerodynamics...a car was built for the way it looked (maybe drag coefficients, etc hadn't been invented in those days?) But as years went on, designers were more and more constrained by goals such as trying to get the most aerodynamic car possible. And perhaps, all the cars started to look the same because there is only one best design aerodynamically?

    It's beginning to seem like the same is happening with film scoring. Years ago, composers had their own voice and each had their own way of dealing with specific genres. But as the years have passed there seems to be only a few ways of doing specific genres and - for the most part - composers have had to fit with the expected sound. At the expense of their own distinct voice. Their "inner voices" may inadvertently surface once in a while, but mostly it's just generic stuff being churned out.

    Ottman's Jack The Giant Slayer is a bit like this: it's what you expect for today's action score. Pretty anonymous, by-the-numbers. That's no comment on if it's well done or not, just that there's no real character to it, no real soul. Most people will have examples of this sort of thing already.

    As mentioned above, Ottman has expanded his range sure enough. Extended his range up to the VERY LOUD!

    I couldn't find that "hook" to bring me back to this anytime soon.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013 edited
    Steven wrote
    Martijn wrote
    The Touch - Basil Poledouris
    Nobody, not even Zimmer, ever created sucha strong rapport between symphonic and synthetic instruments, and in this score he does it so well.


    Powell does it better.

    Am I gonna get shot?


    Too painless.
    Too fast.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013

    It's beginning to seem like the same is happening with film scoring. Years ago, composers had their own voice and each had their own way of dealing with specific genres. But as the years have passed there seems to be only a few ways of doing specific genres and - for the most part - composers have had to fit with the expected sound. At the expense of their own distinct voice. Their "inner voices" may inadvertently surface once in a while, but mostly it's just generic stuff being churned out.


    I don't know. Aside from early Goldsmith, I don't go to film music for striking originality and great art. I stick to classical music for that fix. Film music is just written too quickly and under too many restrictions for it to reach that level on a consistent basis (and lately, as you've pointed out, it's just been getting dumbed down more and more, regardless).

    Jack The Giant Slayer isn't great art by any means. It's probably not even good but it IS wildly entertaining, for me. It scratches that fix very well. Tomorrow, I'll probably go back to Beethoven or Brahms.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Martijn wrote
    Steven wrote
    Martijn wrote
    The Touch - Basil Poledouris
    Nobody, not even Zimmer, ever created sucha strong rapport between symphonic and synthetic instruments, and in this score he does it so well.


    Powell does it better.

    Am I gonna get shot?


    Too painless.
    Too fast.


    I was about to agree with you Martijn but it has to be said that Powell does electro/orchestra incredibly well.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Thor wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Thor wrote
    God, I bless the day I can log on to this thread without seeing any goddamn SKYFALL score discussion.


    We could talk about Zimmer?


    That would be a BLESSING!


    no, no it wouldn't.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013 edited
    Haven't perfected the quote option yet. Disregard.
  3. Josh B wrote

    It's beginning to seem like the same is happening with film scoring. Years ago, composers had their own voice and each had their own way of dealing with specific genres. But as the years have passed there seems to be only a few ways of doing specific genres and - for the most part - composers have had to fit with the expected sound. At the expense of their own distinct voice. Their "inner voices" may inadvertently surface once in a while, but mostly it's just generic stuff being churned out.


    I don't know. Aside from early Goldsmith, I don't go to film music for striking originality and great art. I stick to classical music for that fix. Film music is just written too quickly and under too many restrictions for it to reach that level on a consistent basis (and lately, as you've pointed out, it's just been getting dumbed down more and more, regardless).

    Jack The Giant Slayer isn't great art by any means. It's probably not even good but it IS wildly entertaining, for me. It scratches that fix very well. Tomorrow, I'll probably go back to Beethoven or Brahms.

    That's where we differ then. I tend to be the opposite. I suppose that I've been listening to film music solidly for the last 35+ years over most other types of music as it gives me most of what I need in terms of music.

    There's so much "classical music" out there I've never really had the time to explore further afield than the relatively well known composers/pieces. Unless classical music is used in films, then I go off exploring if it's something I might like.
    The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    That's where we differ then. I tend to be the opposite. I suppose that I've been listening to film music solidly for the last 35+ years over most other types of music as it gives me most of what I need in terms of music.

    There's so much "classical music" out there I've never really had the time to explore further afield than the relatively well known composers/pieces. Unless classical music is used in films, then I go off exploring if it's something I might like.


    That's fair. I grew up a classical pianist so that music is pretty much my bread and butter. I didn't really discover film music until about ten years ago and have been playing catch-up since then. wink

    (I'll admit that as far as action scores go, Jack The Giant Slayer is pretty piecemeal. It doesn't have the coherency that say, Total Recall has. Of course, there's only one Total Recall.)
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    I think my interest in film music is at an all time low, I'm still and always have been listening to new stuff but it interests me less and less. I think I take more notice of what people play in the Off Topic thread than I do here.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Have been listening to both Argo and Zero Dark Thirty. Both top-class films but can't say that either of Desplat's scores stand up as listens on their own. Argo in particular is incredibly dull. Zero Dark Thirty is growing on me a little bit I must admit.


    Life of Pi - Mychael Danna

    Pleasant enough with a few standout cues but, overall, it's a mediocre score. I find it hard to escape that fact and then reconcile it with the idea that something so middle-off-the-road could be considered worthy of an Oscar.
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Had a gutful of Life of Pi. Semi-ambient, shapeless music. Mostly dull as dishwater.



    Onto Desplat's Rise of the Guardians, clearly the pick of his year's output. Love the main theme but it's the colourful, energetic surrounding material that really makes it shine. A top-class adventure score by anyone's definition.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013 edited
    David OC wrote
    Life of Pi - Mychael Danna

    Pleasant enough with a few standout cues but, overall, it's a mediocre score. I find it hard to escape that fact and then reconcile it with the idea that something so middle-off-the-road could be considered worthy of an Oscar.


    Because it's an absolutely perfect film score for the film it was written for. And on its own it's one of 2012's most haunting and hypnotic musical experiences.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorJosh B
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Life of Pi - Mychael Danna

    Pleasant enough with a few standout cues but, overall, it's a mediocre score. I find it hard to escape that fact and then reconcile it with the idea that something so middle-off-the-road could be considered worthy of an Oscar.


    That's less of a fact and more of an opinion. I'm not a big admirer of the music but it works like gangbusters in the film it was written for and that makes it an excellent score.
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    David OC wrote
    Life of Pi - Mychael Danna

    Pleasant enough with a few standout cues but, overall, it's a mediocre score. I find it hard to escape that fact and then reconcile it with the idea that something so middle-off-the-road could be considered worthy of an Oscar.


    Because it's an absolutely perfect film score for the film it was written for. And on its own it's one of 2012's most haunting and hypnotic musical experiences.

    -Erik-


    That's true, it does do a perfect job of meshing with the visuals and never drawing attention to itself - in other words, being almost totally inconspicuous in the film. Considering the quality of scores that have won Oscars in the last two decades, it's a perfectly reasonable choice.



    Escape - Edwin Wendler

    Love the themes, especially the 'Welcome to Thailand' cue. The percussive-aggressive action cues like 'Diversion' and 'Point of No Return' are notable features too! There's some less interesting filler material but 75% of this score ranges from good to very good.
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Josh B wrote
    Life of Pi - Mychael Danna

    Pleasant enough with a few standout cues but, overall, it's a mediocre score. I find it hard to escape that fact and then reconcile it with the idea that something so middle-off-the-road could be considered worthy of an Oscar.


    That's less of a fact and more of an opinion. I'm not a big admirer of the music but it works like gangbusters in the film it was written for and that makes it an excellent score.



    True Josh, an excellent score, but definitely not an excellent CD - unless you're desperate to get to sleep. wink
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2013
    Goodbye Lover - John Ottman

    Had forgotten how cool and catchy the main theme is. One of so many fantastic scores Ottman has written for smaller, marginal films.
  4. Timmer wrote
    I think my interest in film music is at an all time low, I'm still and always have been listening to new stuff but it interests me less and less. I think I take more notice of what people play in the Off Topic thread than I do here.


    Well, I am still highly interested in film music as such but the bulk of what I purchased these last three years was older material and relatively few new scores. Since all my true Holy Grales have been released I expect my collecting activities to slow down considerably. But I will never stop listening to what I have.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.