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  1. NP: Visitors - Philip Glass

    This is an excellent album. Very Philip Glass IMO so not to everyone's liking.
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  2. Not Sheba but Ayesha, not a golden ring but the Flame of Live ... oh wait, that's another Haggard.

    cheesy Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  3. Thor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Southall wrote
    Gravity - Steven Price

    I seem to be alone in loving this just as much away from the film as in it.

    The bit where I enjoyed the use of the score in the film most was how Price changed the properties of the score when the POV of the camera moved from outside the helmet to inside the helmet (and vise versa).

    And, although the last couple of cues are the highlight of the score they were a bit jarring for me when I heard them in the film itself: the sudden emotional content of the music - though I understand why it was such - stuck out a bit after what had gone before. (One thing about those cues was that it did signal that the film was coming to an end.)


    Once again, I had a completely different experience. The strong emotional impact of that cue was so strong exactly BECAUSE of the relative sobriety of what had gone before -- the final katharsis after nailbiting suspense. It's really Price's score that gives the film its heart and aural "threedimensionality" as well, since there is very little sound otherwise.


    You're not alone there James. I find it one of the most compelling sci-fi scores since morricones mission to mars and goldsmith's alien. The journey from chaos to emotion is a fine thing.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2013
    franz_conrad wrote
    Thor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Southall wrote
    Gravity - Steven Price

    I seem to be alone in loving this just as much away from the film as in it.

    The bit where I enjoyed the use of the score in the film most was how Price changed the properties of the score when the POV of the camera moved from outside the helmet to inside the helmet (and vise versa).

    And, although the last couple of cues are the highlight of the score they were a bit jarring for me when I heard them in the film itself: the sudden emotional content of the music - though I understand why it was such - stuck out a bit after what had gone before. (One thing about those cues was that it did signal that the film was coming to an end.)


    Once again, I had a completely different experience. The strong emotional impact of that cue was so strong exactly BECAUSE of the relative sobriety of what had gone before -- the final katharsis after nailbiting suspense. It's really Price's score that gives the film its heart and aural "threedimensionality" as well, since there is very little sound otherwise.


    You're not alone there James. I find it one of the most compelling sci-fi scores since morricones mission to mars and goldsmith's alien. The journey from chaos to emotion is a fine thing.


    It feels a little strange complimenting a film composer for saving the emotional payoff for the emotional payoff of the film rather than plastering it over every scene - but in 2013 it feels the right thing to do.
  4. Southall wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Thor wrote
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Southall wrote
    Gravity - Steven Price

    I seem to be alone in loving this just as much away from the film as in it.

    The bit where I enjoyed the use of the score in the film most was how Price changed the properties of the score when the POV of the camera moved from outside the helmet to inside the helmet (and vise versa).

    And, although the last couple of cues are the highlight of the score they were a bit jarring for me when I heard them in the film itself: the sudden emotional content of the music - though I understand why it was such - stuck out a bit after what had gone before. (One thing about those cues was that it did signal that the film was coming to an end.)


    Once again, I had a completely different experience. The strong emotional impact of that cue was so strong exactly BECAUSE of the relative sobriety of what had gone before -- the final katharsis after nailbiting suspense. It's really Price's score that gives the film its heart and aural "threedimensionality" as well, since there is very little sound otherwise.


    You're not alone there James. I find it one of the most compelling sci-fi scores since morricones mission to mars and goldsmith's alien. The journey from chaos to emotion is a fine thing.


    It feels a little strange complimenting a film composer for saving the emotional payoff for the emotional payoff of the film rather than plastering it over every scene - but in 2013 it feels the right thing to do.

    That makes it seem like we're currently overburdened with scores that plaster emotion over every scene...I'm sorry, what 2013 scores am I missing that do that? Because to my ears (and based on the usual sort of complaints I read around here and other places) it seems the problem with modern scoring is the lack of outwardly emotional scoring, not the overuse. You can't complain about both. dizzy
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2013
    I was referring more to the tendency to musically overstate the significance of certain scenes. (An inevitable result of composing-by-committee and all the "additional composers" wanting to make sure their bit gets noticed?)
  5. Southall wrote
    I was referring more to the tendency to musically overstate the significance of certain scenes. (An inevitable result of composing-by-committee and all the "additional composers" wanting to make sure their bit gets noticed?)

    Again, I honestly can't hear this tendency in modern film scores. At least, not overwhelmingly. I'd say things tend more in the direction of under- than overstatement these days, no?
  6. Heard MAN OF STEEL?
  7. christopher wrote
    Heard MAN OF STEEL?

    Yes...a score that seems to go out of its way not to be outwardly emotional, that essentially exists only to make a ton of noise and pound and brood and drown out the sfx. How is that score an example of "emotional overstatement"?
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    Edmund Meinerts wrote
    Southall wrote
    I was referring more to the tendency to musically overstate the significance of certain scenes. (An inevitable result of composing-by-committee and all the "additional composers" wanting to make sure their bit gets noticed?)

    Again, I honestly can't hear this tendency in modern film scores. At least, not overwhelmingly. I'd say things tend more in the direction of under- than overstatement these days, no?


    Not to me! Heard Man of Steel?
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013 edited
    In Man of Steel there seemed a deliberate intention to avoid making any emotional connection with the viewer through the music (a bit like if a chef decided to carefully prepare a meal and then add a final ingredient that removed all the taste). But it's not understated in any other way, so you end up with this sturm and drang which is oppressive and disconnected and completely unpleasant, significantly weakening the film.

    Or you have something like James Newton Howard's Defiance, which is pretty music but within the film it reminded me of when I went to the filming of a tv show and the floor manager's there at the front holding up signs which say "APPLAUSE!" or "LAUGHTER!" or "CHEERING!" - JNH is standing there with his sign imploring you to feel sad or moved or whatever, every single step of the way. You have to earn the right to do that, you can't do it from moment one and expect people to play along.

    The first time I really thought about it while sitting in a cinema was probably The Da Vinci Code. Sitting there watching the most trivial occurrence being scored as if it's the second coming of Christ, it was the first time I realised that you could become an A-list film composer without having a clue about either the intellectual or emotional skills required to do the whole musical storytelling thing.

    (edited to note that last statement sounds a lot more unfair than was intended - Zimmer's shown on many occasions that he does know how to score a film)
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013 edited
    Or you have something like James Newton Howard's Defiance, which is pretty music but within the film it reminded me of when I went to the filming of a tv show and the floor manager's there at the front holding up signs which say "APPLAUSE!" or "LAUGHTER!" or "CHEERING!" - JNH is standing there with his sign imploring you to feel sad or moved or whatever, every single step of the way.


    And if that type of scoring works then more of that please. Pretty, pretty, pretty please!


    Southall wrote
    You have to earn the right to do that, you can't do it from moment one and expect people to play along.


    The "earn the right" argument again? Reminds me of Arnold's approach to Casino Royale and Giacchino's similar approach to Star Trek... which I can't stand. Imagine not hearing Indiana Jones' theme until the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark?!

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    Oh, I don't think you have to earn the right to have a theme.

    I can understand the conceit of doing it that way in Casino Royale though. Thought it was the pick of Arnold's Bond scores, in fact.
  8. NP: My Sweet Orange Tree - Armand Amar

    Amar's score is dramatic, beautiful and tender in equal measure.
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  9. I've been listening to a few lower-profile releases that have come out recently.

    DISCONNECT - Max Richter

    Most of this score was not my thing - very electronic with not a lot going on, but the first and last tracks were gorgeous. The second is basically a shorter version of the first. They're slow moving pieces dominated by strings, and very beautiful.

    LOST PLACE - Adrian Sieber

    This was pretty good. It's well-composed, and has a bit more urgency to it. It seemed like a fairly exciting film based on the score. I recommend tracks 8 and 17 as highlights of the score.

    LAST DAYS ON MARS - Max Richter

    I did not enjoy this. Much of it was harsh and grating. Much of it was so quiet you couldn't hear a thing. The track "Lost in Space" was more to my taste. I didn't like anything on the album.

    LA MULA - Oscar Navarro

    The first handful of tracks from this score blew me away. They are fantastic!! It kind of devolved into a bunch of tracks that didn't do much after that. I could do without tracks 6-8 and 10-16. They're not bad, they're just not good. Apart from the blah midsection, this score was a wonderful surprise. That first track is stupendously beautiful! One of the best pieces of music I've heard all year. It's called "Love Story."

    THE COUNSELOR - Daniel Pemberton

    Yuck. Everything I disliked about LAST DAYS ON MARS only amplified. I did enjoy tracks 11 and 15, which show that Pemberton can write really lovely music (the last couple tracks from his score to BLOOD from earlier this year certainly proved that already), but the rest of this score is extremely unpleasant.

    NOT ANOTHER HAPPY ENDING - Lorne Balfe

    He's had a very busy year. And I'm intrigued that all his little solo projects were nothing like the music he writes with Zimmer. They don't sound RC at all. This score is very short and lightweight, but not unpleasant (just the sort of music I've come to expect from quirky independent films).
  10. Edmund Meinerts wrote
    christopher wrote
    Heard MAN OF STEEL?

    Yes...a score that seems to go out of its way not to be outwardly emotional, that essentially exists only to make a ton of noise and pound and brood and drown out the sfx. How is that score an example of "emotional overstatement"?


    We're discussing subjective phenomena Edmund. Why do you think this ends with us agreeing, as though it was a self evident statement like'2+2=5'? James sees it. I suspect he's right, but I don't see enough of the blockbuster crap to say that with any certainty (another opinion, btw).
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013 edited
    NP: The Book Thief - John Williams.

    There are some moments of beauty in this score that sound almost as much Morricone as Williams (the second half of "Max Lives" for example). I like it much more already and it will only get better upon more listens.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    Southall wrote
    You have to earn the right to do that, you can't do it from moment one and expect people to play along.


    The "earn the right" argument again? Reminds me of Arnold's approach to Casino Royale and Giacchino's similar approach to Star Trek... which I can't stand. Imagine not hearing Indiana Jones' theme until the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark?!

    -Erik-


    I too can't stand that sort of reasoning. But I do think it made sense for Casino Royale given that it was a re-boot of sorts, and a bit of a fresh start was needed. The theme is so familiar, we're actively waiting for it to appear, and its absence -I think- aided in the success of that particular re-boot story. Hearing it at the end for the first time was a great idea, because the film built up to that moment. And it paid off and worked extremely well. I applaud Arnold's decision to keep the theme back until the last moment.

    If it's a new unheard theme, then I agree it should be clearly stated throughout the film so that the characters are given a stronger presence within the narrative.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    It is a bit gimmicky but I like it's use in Casino Royale, something that obviously wouldn't have worked in Dr No.

    Perhaps Erik can fill a gap for me here? Did River Phoenix earn the Indy theme for the "first time" in THE LAST CRUSADE?
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013 edited
    Timmer wrote
    Perhaps Erik can fill a gap for me here? Did River Phoenix earn the Indy theme for the "first time" in THE LAST CRUSADE?


    Of course he did. He was already Indiana Jones before the train chase. Plus, I don't think that was his "Very First Adventure."

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    ...witness The Young Indiana Jones Advenures TV series. smile
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    yeah
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    Erik Woods wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Perhaps Erik can fill a gap for me here? Did River Phoenix earn the Indy theme for the "first time" in THE LAST CRUSADE?


    Of course he did. He was already Indiana Jones before the train chase. Plus, I don't think that was his "Very First Adventure."

    -Erik-


    But that's the one where he get's 'The' hat.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    Sure, but he's still Indy.

    -Erik-
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    Well, just saying wink
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    :whip:
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  11. ^ I love that emoticon!

    NP: Suite from Captain Blood by Erich Wolfgang Korngold
    Performed by the Brandenburg Philharmonic Orchestra.

    This score needs a complete re-recording badly. But no new re-recordings far and wide. sad

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    NP: MONROE (Dominik Scherrer)

    Never thought I'd like the music from a hospital series I've never seen, from a composer I've never heard of. But I do. A soft 'rock' type score.
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      CommentAuthorJim Ware
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    Bizarre. I was thinking about that the other day. Enjoyable title theme.
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2013
    NP: Jesus, the Desire of Ages - Patrick Rundbladh

    I really like this score, beautiful uses of harmony, ethnic instruments and vocals which are more pleasant/mysterious than wailing.
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