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- CommentTimeApr 8th 2008
I hear it, but I don't mind. It's not a direct lift, but it's probably influenced by it. Works great, and I love it! -
- CommentTimeApr 8th 2008 edited
Steven wrote
I hear it, but I don't mind. It's not a direct lift, but it's probably influenced by it. Works great, and I love it!
Same here. It's rather fun to me though (ranging from this up to even ridiculous) to observe how people pick up (in)direct influences like that whilst at the same time they completely override clear-cut lifts from already existing film scores (both melodically and also harmonic structure-wise) merely based on one single criteria: who is the composer "copying".Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentTimeApr 8th 2008 edited
Um, what album would this be from?
Christodoulides wrote
Steven wrote
I hear it, but I don't mind. It's not a direct lift, but it's probably influenced by it. Works great, and I love it!
Same here. It's rather fun to me though (ranging from this up to even ridiculous) to observe how people pick up (in)direct influences like that whilst at the same time they completely override clear-cut lifts from already existing film scores (both melodically and also harmonic structure-wise) merely based on one single criteria: who is the composer "copying". -
- CommentTimeApr 8th 2008 edited
I keep hoping this thread will actually have news about a new Zimmer score....I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentTimeApr 8th 2008
Scribe wrote
I keep hoping this thread will actually have news about a new Zimmer score....
Oh trust me.....this thread will be very popular (and FAR more interesting than the useless and tiresome "Zimmer copied this or that") once "The Dark Knight" and "Kung-Fu Panda" are released (both films and scores).Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008 edited
Christodoulides wrote
Steven wrote
I hear it, but I don't mind. It's not a direct lift, but it's probably influenced by it. Works great, and I love it!
Same here. It's rather fun to me though (ranging from this up to even ridiculous) to observe how people pick up (in)direct influences like that whilst at the same time they completely override clear-cut lifts from already existing film scores (both melodically and also harmonic structure-wise) merely based on one single criteria: who is the composer "copying".
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
And the Simon and Garfunkel reference was not indirect.
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- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
I listened to the Black Hawk Down track that had the hints of Simon and Garfunkel and you can hear the beginnings of their melody if you specifically listen out for it - or you are familiar with their song in the first place (and who isn't?). But it's only the first 3-4 notes that are the same then it veers off into something else. The tempo of the Zimmer cue being the same as the S&G melody doesn't help differentiating between the two.
But I'd struggle to accuse Zimmer of "lifting" S&G's melody just on those 3-4 notes and the tempo...or am I missing something even more obvious later in the cue? I only listened to the first 10-15 seconds.
I suppose you could accuse John Barry lifting the first few notes (3?, "Gold - fin-ger")of the song "Goldfinger" from Henry Mancini's "Moon River" (Breakfast At Tiffany's). But there's enough difference between the two in terms of instrumentation, etc to make them quite different and original.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
Bregt wrote
I hear it too.
Sorry.
It's there for at least the first half of the theme; then it takes a bit an other bow. Again (!!!) a dream crashed.
It's 100% there!
Anyone familiar with the song would have to be cloth eared not to hear it.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
Timmer wrote
Bregt wrote
I hear it too.
Sorry.
It's there for at least the first half of the theme; then it takes a bit an other bow. Again (!!!) a dream crashed.
It's 100% there!
Anyone familiar with the song would have to be cloth eared not to hear it.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH! What he said!
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- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008 edited
Unlike something like that LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN ripoff of 'Sing! Sing! Sing!' or all the references in THIN RED LINE, I think the BLACK HAWK DOWN one was probably not intentional. Not to sound like James Horner or anything, but once a composer heads off in a specific direction - in particular here with the folk-like intervals and steps - there is a positive probability he's going to replicate something he's heard before in the same vein, often without realising it.
And usually when Zimmer deliberately references something else - Morricone (BROKEN ARROW, AT WORLD'S END), Louis Prima (LEAGUE), Rodrigo (MORE MUSIC FROM GLADIATOR), Arvo Part, a Christian hymn (both THIN RED LINE), Wagner ('Liebestod' in HANNIBAL), Nino Rota (Fellini scores in MATCHSTICK MEN) - he does so for a reason. There will tend to be a connection to the story at hand. There's no particular reason for Simon and Garfunkle's Scarlborough Fair to appear in BLACK HAWK DOWN, so I reckon it's an unintentional. That being said, the similarity is there, and what's the easier notion to believe: (i) that Hans independently conjured up the same melody; or that (ii) thought it up, not realising he was actually remembering it? Given this is the guy who apparently didn't notice he was referencing Holst's 'Mars' in GLADIATOR (which he clearly is), I'd say the latter's looking pretty likely.
Mind you, there are other influences on the piece too. Strip away the melody, bagpipes and the snare drum, and is the piece really that different from 'Tennessee', which he'd just written for PEARL HARBOR?
BTW, I notice noone has brought up 'Roslin and Adama' from McCreary's BATTLESTAR GALACTIA scores...?A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
FalkirkBairn wrote
I listened to the Black Hawk Down track that had the hints of Simon and Garfunkel and you can hear the beginnings of their melody if you specifically listen out for it - or you are familiar with their song in the first place (and who isn't?). But it's only the first 3-4 notes that are the same then it veers off into something else.
THANK YOU!Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
All I could think of when I heard that track was Scarboro Fair. And that was before anyone else mentioned it. It's pretty blatant to me, though I accept Franz's reasoning for it probably being subconcious / a coincidence. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
Southall wrote
All I could think of when I heard that track was Scarboro Fair. And that was before anyone else mentioned it. It's pretty blatant to me, though I accept Franz's reasoning for it probably being subconcious / a coincidence.
While recording it was everyone involved too scared to tell Hans he'd ripped Scarborough Fair?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
Perhaps they were too busy eating parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme? -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2008
Southall wrote
Perhaps they were too busy eating parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme?
Liberally sprinkled on Hans German sausage.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Perhaps they were too busy eating parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme?
Liberally sprinkled on Hans German sausage.
Isn't that a bit rude?The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
FalkirkBairn wrote
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Perhaps they were too busy eating parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme?
Liberally sprinkled on Hans German sausage.
Isn't that a bit rude?
Totally innocent! Wash your mouth out with soap sir!On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
Soundtrack release:
The Dark Knight
Label: Warner
Release date: July 1st
-> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017I1FP8/ -
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
Thomas wrote
Soundtrack release:
The Dark Knight
Label: Warner
Release date: July 1st
-> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017I1FP8/
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Thomas wrote
Soundtrack release:
The Dark Knight
Label: Warner
Release date: July 1st
-> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017I1FP8/
-Erik-
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- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
Thomas wrote
Soundtrack release:
The Dark Knight
Label: Warner
Release date: July 1st
-> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017I1FP8/
Looking forward to it! -
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Vomit in the eye is a horrible experience! He should have stood further back.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
I'm guessing that the run time will be about 55-60 minute. And please, have real track time this time around, PLEASE!!!!! -
- CommentAuthorMatt C
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
Yeah, they're bound to have run out of Latin bat names by this time.
And does anyone know where the score was recorded? Was it London again, or in L.A.?http://unsungfilmscores.blogspot.com/ -- My film/TV/game score review blog -
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
Matt C wrote
Yeah, they're bound to have run out of Latin bat names by this time.
And does anyone know where the score was recorded? Was it London again, or in L.A.?
LA on Zimmer's keyboard.
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- CommentAuthorMatt C
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
How many players were hired for the DK score?
... or were you kidding with the "LA on Zimmer's keyboard" comment?http://unsungfilmscores.blogspot.com/ -- My film/TV/game score review blog -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
Erik Woods wrote
Matt C wrote
Yeah, they're bound to have run out of Latin bat names by this time.
And does anyone know where the score was recorded? Was it London again, or in L.A.?
LA on Zimmer's keyboard.
-Erik-
LOLOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
July first... a little long wait but I guess it's not that bad -
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
Matt C wrote
And does anyone know where the score was recorded? Was it London again, or in L.A.?
London, but I don't think it's already recorded. -
- CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
Does anyone remember the improvement between Dead Man's chest and At world's End?