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- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Martijn wrote
However that negates two things:
1) taste & enjoyability: food for man is SO much more than just nutrition: it's a social and aesthetic event
2) we're on the bloody top of the food chain so we can pretty much do what we want
Exactly. But that can go both ways really. We have the ability to choose not to eat meat, i.e. we have morals. I obviously have nothing against eating meat, but I understand and accept the reasons why people don't. Killing an animal is not a pretty thing, and if there was some Star Trek-like way to obtain meat without killing the animal, I'd be all for it! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Thing is, Demetris is right. Meats contain absolutely essential ingredients to human physical wellfare.
And so is Steven. There are alternative ways of ingesting those ingredients.
Your difference of opinion hinges on the confusion of "essential" with "irreplaceable".
I love being a smug bastard.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009 edited
Yes, but the way Demetris forwards his opinion is extremely irritating. He should start off with facts rather than blurt out a knee-jerk reaction.
I was offended by his reply. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009 edited
Steven wrote
Killing an animal is not a pretty thing, and if there was some Star Trek-like way to obtain meat without killing the animal, I'd be all for it!
That was actually a whole chapter in the aforementioned Bourdain book: he loves to work with meat, but had never actually attended a slaughter.
So he went to Portugal to attend a farmyard killing of a fattened pig (and I'm talking those mean, BIG porkers there...not your cute piggybank Disney porklets), and the whole ceremony and feast surrounding it.
It didn't put him off meat at all, but it did imbue him with some serious respect, and a vow to be as "grateful" (for want of a better word) as he could, by not wasting anything of the life taken.
At the end of the day it's all about respect.
And i think you can show that in different ways: not only by abstaining from killing an animal (or participating in that industry), but also by being very aware of what you're doing and making sure you make the very best of it.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009 edited
Steven wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Anyway, if you want to be informed a little more than your own opinion which you formed inside your own house, then you might want to ask someone who's specialized. I am not, but i have talked with such persons in the past due to some problems i had.
Oh for god sake Demetris. You said "White and Red meat are essential to one's good health." I'm disagreeing with that because I have not only read this is not true, I've seen the proof this is not the case. Perhaps if you do a little research, you'll find that meat is not essential to a healthy diet.
So please don't accuse me of an opinion 'formed inside my own house' just because I don't agree with you. Next time please learn the facts before you go ahead and make an argument.
Pf. It's the same thing you did accusing me of ignorance because i don't agree with you or your parents' strategies, ISN'T IT?
Reading a couple of books or observing what your parents do, doesn't make you a specialist on the area, so how do you claim superiority in this one? I never claimed to be the mastermind of foods and nutrition while you seem to forget we are 2 film score dudes discussing food for God's sake, it's not our job.
I tell you i had some problems which were directly linked to my nutrition at the time, and i'm just passing you what the people i went to told me. It's not my job to tell you why it's good and why it's not but just because your parents are doing it that renders everyone else - including professionals, wrong? Jeez.
If you don't want to take pills and sick stuff like that to balance what you're not taking from a strictly green nutrition, then you have to maintain balance, as in taking in the right amounts of fruits, vegetables, fish, white meat (as in chicken, rabbits etc) and red meat. As simple as that. I am sure people who do otherwise will have lots of arguments on their behalf, that alone doesn't make them necessary CORRECT.
Anyway enough with this bs, i am HUNGRY now and it's your fault buddy!
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Steven wrote
Yes, but the way Demetris forwards his opinion is extremely irritating. He should start off with facts rather than blurt out a knee-jerk reaction.
His facts are undisputed.
As I said: he's right (and I still stand by that).
And -again- so are you.
I was offended by his reply.
What a waste of effort, mate.
There's too many people already being too offended over too insignificant issues.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Steven wrote
Yes, but the way Demetris forwards his opinion is extremely irritating. He should start off with facts rather than blurt out a knee-jerk reaction.
I was offended by his reply.
You are offended by my reply 'cause you're not generally used to get replied back in the same nature of your own arguments. We 2, carry our arguments in rather similar ways and 2 similars don't usually match; but of course you'll never recognize that, at least not when you're irritated
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Look, do you WANT me to come over there?
You DON'T want me to come over there. Trust me.
I carry a big stick.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Martijn wrote
I was offended by his reply.
What a waste of effort, mate.
There's too many people already being too offended over too insignificant issues.
Word Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Martijn wrote
Steven wrote
Killing an animal is not a pretty thing, and if there was some Star Trek-like way to obtain meat without killing the animal, I'd be all for it!
That was actually a whole chapter in the aforementioned Boudain book: he loves to work with meat, but had never actually attended a slaughter.
So he went to Portugal to attend a farmyard killing of a fattened pig (and I'm talking those mean, BIG porkers there...not your cute piggybank Disney porklets), and the whole ceremony and feast surrounding it.
It didn't put him off meat at all, but it did imbue him with some serious respect, and a vow to be as "grateful" (for want of a better word) as he could, by not wasting anything of the life taken.
At the end of the day it's all about respect.
And i think you can show that in different ways: not only by abstaining from killing an animal (or participating in that industry), but also by being very aware of what you're doing and making sure you make the very best of it.
It would certainly be a good thing if every meat-eater had the option to either see a slaughter or commit the killing themselves. It's all too easy to become unattached to the truth of the matter when you see meat all nicely packaged in plastic.
My grandparents have geese in their back garden that they breed for food, so I've seen the slaughter of my own food at least. Perhaps I will actually do the killing next time? (Though I've been saying this for a very long time now...) -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Martijn wrote
Look, do you WANT me to come over there?
You DON'T want me to come over there. Trust me.
I carry a big stick.
What if i do? I'd appreciate the good ol' red wine and cheese-escorted company of a good ol' friend right now; to help me reconstruct my A.R.Rahman-broken heart.
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorBregje
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Professionals, such as nutritionists, don't always agree on everything either... -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Doesn't matter! I am off to kill a chicken. I need something to along with my rice, green, yellow and red fresh pepper, onions and sweet-n-sour sauce!
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Btw, i just noticed this huge omission!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009 edited
Steven wrote
It would certainly be a good thing if every meat-eater had the option to either see a slaughter or commit the killing themselves.
But they have.
It's the easiest thing in the world to visit a farm, or even a meat "factory".
I guess that the better part of the population though doesn't look upon this as any sort of socially acceptable entertainment, though, and therefore declines the option. And I can't blame 'em.
It's messy and uncomfortable.
I would disagree with the option of killing, though.
This is an extremely delicate process best left to those who really know what they're doing.
God, the idea of a blood-thirsty (or worse: hesitant) amateur trying to slaughter a calf or a pig is rather faintmaking.
Christodoulides wrote
What if i do? I'd appreciate the good ol' red wine and cheese-escorted company of a good ol' friend right now; to help me reconstruct my A.R.Rahman-broken heart.
We could banghraaaaaaa to the dulcet tones of MIA! :dance:
With ouzo!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009 edited
Christodoulides wrote
Pf. It's the same thing you did accusing me of ignorance because i don't agree with you or your parents' strategies, ISN'T IT?
No, it's not. You're not just disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with fact.
Reading a couple of books or observing what your parents do, doesn't make you a specialist on the area, so how do you claim superiority in this one? I never claimed to be the mastermind of foods and nutrition while you seem to forget we are 2 film score dudes discussing food for God's sake, it's not our job.
I'm not saying I'm a specialist in the area, I'm just saying you are wrong to say meat is essential to a healthy diet. That's my whole point here.
I tell you i had some problems which were directly linked to my nutrition at the time, and i'm just passing you what the people i went to told me. It's not my job to tell you why it's good and why it's not but just because your parents are doing it that renders everyone else - including professionals, wrong? Jeez.
You're unnecessarily confusing matters to back up your point. I never accused 'professionals of being wrong', I'm accusing you of being wrong. I'm saying your 'meat is essential for a healthy diet' reply is wrong. (Though I am not saying meat does not have essential ingredients.)
If you don't want to take pills and sick stuff like that to balance what you're not taking from a strictly green nutrition, then you have to maintain balance, as in taking in the right amounts of fruits, vegetables, fish, white meat (as in chicken, rabbits etc) and red meat. As simple as that. I am sure people who do otherwise will have lots of arguments on their behalf, that alone doesn't make them necessary CORRECT.
You're still showing an extreme amount of ignorance to vegetarianism. For example, my parents have NEVER said that their non-meat diet is less or more healthy than my meat diet, they've never 'preached' to me and I have nothing but the utmost respect because of this. They know perfectly well the benefits of meat just as I know the benefits of non-meat foods.
The reason they don't eat meat is because they themselves are opposed to killing animals. That, IMO, is quite a respectable moral to behold, even though I eat and enjoy meat myself.
I'm simply offended by your attitude towards the whole thing and the ignorance you have shown. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Bregje wrote
Professionals, such as nutritionists, don't always agree on everything either...
You're not wrong there.
Seems like every week you open a magazine, watch a documentary or read an article the very same things that used to cause cancer a year ago are now essential and vice versa.
The sad thing in this is that the most important message you could give: all things in moderation (the ancient Greeks already knew this, dammit
) is being snowed under by a plethora of detailed information no one is able to keep track of.
Martijn wrote
:dance:
Btw, i just noticed this huge omission!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Steven wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Pf. It's the same thing you did accusing me of ignorance because i don't agree with you or your parents' strategies, ISN'T IT?
No, it's not. You're not just disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with fact.
Look, do you WANT me to come over there?
You DON'T want me to come over there. Trust me.
I carry a bicycle chain.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorBregje
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
I don't understand how anyone can dislike vegetarians?? They are not bothering anyone are they?
By the way, some people are vegetarians because they don't like meat.
And whether we need meat or not, we eat more of it than we need anyway. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Who said i disliked vegetarians? Why is everyone taking it personally? (you, steven on his parents and so on) I WAS TALKING ABOUT NUTRITION IN GENERAL.
But i won't take if further, there's no point to it now.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009 edited
Bregje wrote
I don't understand how anyone can dislike vegetarians?? They are not bothering anyone are they?
They apparently bring out the killer instinct in chefs (a pretty hunter/neanderthal/testosterone-driven class of people to begin with, apparently ) :
"Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn.
To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living. Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food.
The body, these waterheads imagine, is a temple that should not be polluted by animal protein. It's healthier, they insist, though every vegetarian waiter I've worked with is brought down by any rumor of a cold. Oh, I'll accommodate them, I'll rummage around for something to feed them, for a 'vegetarian plate', if called on to do so.
Fourteen dollars for a few slices of grilled eggplant and zucchini suits my food cost fine."
- Anthony Bourdain: Kitchen Confidential, page 70
It did make me smile.
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009 edited
^ Word 
There's one veggie thing i DO passionately DISLIKE however:
Veggie-burgers
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorBregje
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Who said i disliked vegetarians? Why is everyone taking it personally?
It wasn't you, it was the goat.
So who is taking it personally??
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Bregje wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Who said i disliked vegetarians? Why is everyone taking it personally?
It wasn't you, it was the goat.
So who is taking it personally??
Be careful when talking about the
, Dear B. You never know where Southall might be! 
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Sate Kambing (goat kebab) is one of the finest Indonesian cuisine dishes ever: a very powerful and spicy taste experience if prepared properly (which is a bitch to do, as goat's meat is not easy to work with)'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Bregje wrote
I don't understand how anyone can dislike vegetarians?? They are not bothering anyone are they?
A couple if my friends are also vegetarian, and I've never known them to take the moral high ground with it. Generally, at least in my experience, a vegetarian does not believe him or her to either right or wrong, it's just a personal preference rather than "belief". My parents have nothing against me eating meat, they were the ones who introduced me to it in the first place!
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Bregje wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Who said i disliked vegetarians? Why is everyone taking it personally?
It wasn't you, it was the goat.
So who is taking it personally??
You're right, it was me. Fortunately, I was only joking. I've never met a vegetarian I didn't dislike, but in all cases this was due to something other than their vegetarianism. (Another joke. Or is it?)
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- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Btw, in case you were wondering, I didn't for a second assume you weren't joking!
Though I still don't like football. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Southall wrote
Bregje wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Who said i disliked vegetarians? Why is everyone taking it personally?
It wasn't you, it was the goat.
So who is taking it personally??
You're right, it was me. Fortunately, I was only joking. I've never met a vegetarian I didn't dislike, but in all cases this was due to something other than their vegetarianism. (Another joke. Or is it?)
You never met Ridley...
Oh, wrong quotehttp://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
Bregje wrote
Professionals, such as nutritionists, don't always agree on everything either...
FACT!On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt