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JAMES HORNER
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- CommentAuthorTalos
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Why not listen to the original Williams instead then ?
Because Williams is not writing the Williams' music we (or I) liked so much from the past.
Example:
Empire Strikes back VS all the new Star Wars scores
Indy I, II, III vs Indy IV
etc.
I personally would LOVE Talgorn scoring a new Indy pic instead of Williams, seriously... I think we will be pleasantly suprised. Williams has lost his spark somewhat. I don't want to put Wiliams down, not al all... but he disappointed a lot of us with Indy IV and the last Star Wars scores.
Listen to this, its energetic and exciting, young.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
EnemyToo wrote
Not sure if this is allowed (I think you can only listen to it, not download it), but someone posted the full score, complete tracks:
http://soundcloud.com/user2753116/sets/avatar-ost
Wow, it sounds great IMO. Horner's back!
Can't wait for the movie!
An Oscar nomination is a shoe-in IMO, but James could very well walk away with the Oscar.
Isn't this the web rip?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorNautilus
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009 edited
Scorefanatic wrote
Horner interview from the Avatar London premiere:
http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2009/12/11/ex … s-footage/
"abstrac Ideast" = "previously composed stuff"
Anyway, I think this time Horner had to be more concentrated in the temp tracks for the first time. A lot of Newton Howard and Narnia in this score.
For more I enjoyed Avatar in my listens, Do you not feel insulted when You hear the 4 notes danger motif? I mean Horner for sure Know what the fans thinks about it and he still put them into his scores... I don't know guys.
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- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009 edited
Talos wrote
Because Williams is not writing the Williams' music we (or I) liked so much from the past.
Agree with that.
Example:
Empire Strikes back VS all the new Star Wars scores
Indy I, II, III vs Indy IV
etc.
Actually I would say ALL older SW scores VS the newer ones.
I personally would LOVE Talgorn scoring a new Indy pic instead of Williams, seriously... I think we will be pleasantly suprised. Williams has lost his spark somewhat. I don't want to put Wiliams down, not al all... but he disappointed a lot of us with Indy IV and the last Star Wars scores.
Listen to this, its energetic and exciting, young.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s2BSEm49hc
Wow that cue sounds indeed brilliant. Must be one hell of a showpiece in the film. A splendidly proper Williams hommage if I ever heard one, much like Wataru Hokoyama's Afrika.
Surely Spielberg must acknowledge that the last Indy score wasn't great, but then John may well be his best friend so I don't see them parting ways until one of them leaves this world. And IMO they both missed the ball completely. The movie itself was uninspired and not fun.
Anyway, this is incredibly OFF-TOPIC.
"considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Come on. Talgorn might be quite good but don't overdo it. It only ever leads to disappointment. I don't want to hear someone else pretending to be John Williams (not that I think that's what Talgorn does); if I want to hear John Williams I'll take the real thing. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Scorefanatic wrote
Horner interview from the Avatar London premiere:
http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2009/12/11/ex … s-footage/
I just get 'error'On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorkeky
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
It works for me. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Nautilus wrote
Scorefanatic wrote
Horner interview from the Avatar London premiere:
http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2009/12/11/ex … s-footage/
"abstrac Ideast" = "previously composed stuff"
Okay, that was funny. -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Error for me too.
Error 404 - Not found
The document you requested is not found.
You probably have the site in your cache, keky. Press F5 ('refresh') and you'll see there's no direct link.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTalos
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009 edited
Southall wrote
Come on. Talgorn might be quite good but don't overdo it. It only ever leads to disappointment. I don't want to hear someone else pretending to be John Williams (not that I think that's what Talgorn does); if I want to hear John Williams I'll take the real thing.
Talgorn IS extremely good, its not overdoing it. I give credit when its due. I truly believe as a dedicated filmscore enthousiast since the early '80's, that he is a true and amazing talent. Anyway, I continue my Talgorn hommage or whatever it is... hehe../ in the appropriate tread. In the meantime for those that are unfamiliar with his work, listen to this... pure filmmusic gold. (second track)
http://www.frederictalgorn.com/page/fil … robot.html
Anyway I am just frustrated that he is sadly overlooked...
Back to topic now.
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Southall wrote
Come on. Talgorn might be quite good but don't overdo it. It only ever leads to disappointment. I don't want to hear someone else pretending to be John Williams (not that I think that's what Talgorn does); if I want to hear John Williams I'll take the real thing.
Funny thing is though that other composers are doing John Williams styled scores better than John Williams.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
Come on. Talgorn might be quite good but don't overdo it. It only ever leads to disappointment. I don't want to hear someone else pretending to be John Williams (not that I think that's what Talgorn does); if I want to hear John Williams I'll take the real thing.
Funny thing is though that other composers are doing John Williams styled scores better than John Williams.
-Erik-
His last five scores are Revenge of the Sith, War of the Worlds, Memoirs of a Geisha, Munich and Indy 4. Who are the composers who are sounding like him but doing better than those five? -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Griskey, Talgorn and Hokoyama. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Was dat OK as in "Yeah, OK" or as in "mmmmkay"?'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Who knows? I've lost the will to live. -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
IS this the most hyped score ever? Quite possible so i say, do you agree?
It can be - if you let it.
I've tried to avoid all the discussions, and most of the clips, etc. And I'm patiently waiting for my CD to arrive next week.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
FalkirkBairn wrote
Christodoulides wrote
IS this the most hyped score ever? Quite possible so i say, do you agree?
It can be - if you let it.
I've tried to avoid all the discussions, and most of the clips, etc. And I'm patiently waiting for my CD to arrive next week.
You have an iron will Alan!Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Southall wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
Come on. Talgorn might be quite good but don't overdo it. It only ever leads to disappointment. I don't want to hear someone else pretending to be John Williams (not that I think that's what Talgorn does); if I want to hear John Williams I'll take the real thing.
Funny thing is though that other composers are doing John Williams styled scores better than John Williams.
-Erik-
His last five scores are Revenge of the Sith, War of the Worlds, Memoirs of a Geisha, Munich and Indy 4. Who are the composers who are sounding like him but doing better than those five?
I'm very interested to hear the answer to this too! -
- CommentAuthorScorefanatic
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Extended version of the Horner interview from the Times article previously posted:
http://timesonline.typepad.com/blockbus … music.html -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Steven wrote
Southall wrote
His last five scores are Revenge of the Sith, War of the Worlds, Memoirs of a Geisha, Munich and Indy 4. Who are the composers who are sounding like him but doing better than those five?
I'm very interested to hear the answer to this too!
I gave it.
Anthony wrote
Griskey, Talgorn and Hokoyama.
Now disagree with me. 
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
For of all, Indy 4 is pretty awful. There are a few good cues but a whole handful of composers out did John Williams last year. Munich has a few solid string cues (which basically are left overs from Angela's Ashes anyway) but mostly forgettable. Sith is solid but no The Phantom Menace. War of the Worlds and Geisha were the two scores from that list that did impress me.
Anyway, here's a good list of composers that are doing a Williams better than Williams right now!
James Hannigan on the Harry Potter Video Game scores
Colin O'Malley with Superman Returns The Video Game
Mark Griskey on The Force Unleashed
Frederic Talgorn on Asterix Aux Jeux Olympiques
Wataru Hokoyama on Afrika and Resident Evil 5
Chris Tilton on Night At The Museum 2 Video Game
John Debney on Lair... don't laugh... I'll take "Diviner Battle" over "Battle of the Heroes" anyday.
Phillipe Rombi on Angel
Those are a few that come to mind.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009
Southall wrote
Erik Woods wrote
Southall wrote
Come on. Talgorn might be quite good but don't overdo it. It only ever leads to disappointment. I don't want to hear someone else pretending to be John Williams (not that I think that's what Talgorn does); if I want to hear John Williams I'll take the real thing.
Funny thing is though that other composers are doing John Williams styled scores better than John Williams.
-Erik-
His last five scores are Revenge of the Sith, War of the Worlds, Memoirs of a Geisha, Munich and Indy 4. Who are the composers who are sounding like him but doing better than those five?
Indeed. Talking about far-stretched statements...Williams is the king of his own style, everyone else might touch a bit of his feet at best. Really, i am aware of the fact that his later style has disappointed a lot of his stronger and most avid fans, but it's called evolution of music, something Williams not only follows but even pioneered to a degree, when it comes to film music. The fact that those composers are trying to sound like how he sounded 20 years ago should say something about where Williams actually IS today, in comparison.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 11th 2009 edited
Erik Woods wrote
For of all, Indy 4 is pretty awful. There are a few good cues but a whole handful of composers out did John Williams last year. Munich has a few solid string cues (which basically are left overs from Angela's Ashes anyway) but mostly forgettable. Sith is solid but no The Phantom Menace. War of the Worlds and Geisha were the two scores from that list that did impress me.
Anyway, here's a good list of composers that are doing a Williams better than Williams right now!
James Hannigan on the Harry Potter Video Game scores
Colin O'Malley with Superman Returns The Video Game
Mark Griskey on The Force Unleashed
Frederic Talgorn on Asterix Aux Jeux Olympiques
Wataru Hokoyama on Afrika and Resident Evil 5
Chris Tilton on Night At The Museum 2 Video Game
John Debney on Lair... don't laugh... I'll take "Diviner Battle" over "Battle of the Heroes" anyday.
Phillipe Rombi on Angel
Those are a few that come to mind.
-Erik-
I love Rombi's "Angel". But he's mostly on the Delerue side of things i'd say. As for the rest, there's VERY good film music in there, but it's got limited to zero soul, esp. if we're talking about Lair or Afrika, for instance. No matter how good they sound and how much they satisfy our nostalgia and bring back teenage years' goosebumps, they're ages behind Williams' compositional status and abilities.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2009
To be fair, I like Afrika because it sounds good. I also like Angel because it sounds good. It's nothing to do with nostalgia or bringing back "teenage years' goosebumps." If I want that, I'll go listen to the scores I feel genuinely nostalgic about.
Quick question: Is there anything you yourself feel nostalgic about? From what I can gather, it seems as though you look upon it as an affliction rather than a positive feeling! I LOVE having nostalgia for films and scores from my childhood. It's real magic. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2009
I am the kind of guy who lives the day and the present to the utmost, to be honest. I rarely feel the need to feel nostalgia.
As for your points, that's what i said too: they sound good. BUt i am sure for someone like Erik, nostalgia plays a big factor too; it's not a bad thing, just observing; Thus his disappointment with John Williams getting more "serious" during the last years. It's like the childhood hero you never expect him to disappoint you!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
For of all, Indy 4 is pretty awful. There are a few good cues but a whole handful of composers out did John Williams last year. Munich has a few solid string cues (which basically are left overs from Angela's Ashes anyway) but mostly forgettable. Sith is solid but no The Phantom Menace. War of the Worlds and Geisha were the two scores from that list that did impress me.
Anyway, here's a good list of composers that are doing a Williams better than Williams right now!
James Hannigan on the Harry Potter Video Game scores
Colin O'Malley with Superman Returns The Video Game
Mark Griskey on The Force Unleashed
Frederic Talgorn on Asterix Aux Jeux Olympiques
Wataru Hokoyama on Afrika and Resident Evil 5
Chris Tilton on Night At The Museum 2 Video Game
John Debney on Lair... don't laugh... I'll take "Diviner Battle" over "Battle of the Heroes" anyday.
Phillipe Rombi on Angel
Those are a few that come to mind.
-Erik-
I haven't heard most of those so will have to check a lot of them out. I did like Angel and Afrika is pretty good. Night at the Museum 2 is a lot (lot, lot) better than the music for the film. I've listened to Lair three times, which was three times too many. I couldn't make it through Talgorn's Asterix score when I tried it and have been meaning to try it again. None of those particularly reminds me of Williams (apart from the direct quotations in Lair) though - and while I didn't think Indy 4 was as good as the previous Indy scores (particularly the first two), I still think it was more impressive than any of the other scores I've mentioned in this paragraph. I guess I'm just more comfortable with Williams's modern style than you (and everyone else, apparently). I do seem to listen to his newer (last 10-15 years) scores more than the older ones. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2009
As for the nostalgia point, it must be pretty obvious by now that nostalgia plays an enormous part in the majority of film music fans' listening (there wouldn't be the "give me every note!" mindset if people liked it for musical rather than filmic reasons). -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeDec 12th 2009 edited
Christodoulides wrote
The fact that those composers are trying to sound like how he sounded 20 years ago should say something about where Williams actually IS today, in comparison.
Williams was better 20 years ago then he is today! FACT!
BTW, who was the composer that brought back that magical romantic sound of the Golden Age for a small low budget sci-fi film in 1977? Right... seems like the same thing is happening again so I applaud those younger composers for attempting to bring back that magical sound and style that Williams for some reason, call it evolution if you'd like, has lost. And can you honestly say that Williams' evolution from Raiders... heck, from Last Crusade to Indy 4 is for the best?
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