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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2014
    North's 2001 is a type of score I'm more fascinated by (also on CD) than it's something I put on for pure enjoyment. More intellectual than emotional. Which is fine. One needs a little bit of both to add variety to one's listening.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2014
    My list so far from 1 - 22

    CONAN THE BARBARIAN - Poledouris
    THE LION IN WINTER - Barry
    KRULL - Horner
    THE BIG COUNTRY - Moross
    E.T. THE EXTRATERRESTRIAL - Williams
    STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE - Goldsmith
    ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE - Barry
    THE FINAL CONFLICT - Goldsmith
    THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY - Morricone
    LITTLE BUDDHA - Sakamoto
    THE LAST VALLEY - Barry
    SCOTT OF THE ANTARCTIC - Vaughan Williams
    THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR - Legrand
    THE THING - Morricone
    WALKING WITH DINOSAURS / WALKING WITH BEASTS - Bartlett
    STAR WARS - Williams
    CHINATOWN - Goldsmith
    HEAVY METAL - Bernstein
    BULLIT - Schifrin
    BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA - Kilar
    STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK - Horner
    ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. - Nascimbene
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  1. I love the music, but having seen a pretty good sync of it to the film there are sound reasons why it wasn't used.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2014
    Can anyone tell me which track on Jerry Goldsmith's recording of 2001 was the mistaken AFRICA track?

    As I pointed out nothing earlier I'd just like to mention how much I like Malcolm Arnold's Nine Hours To Rama, a superb score. I'd love to see the film again.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorCobweb
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2014
    Timmer wrote
    Can anyone tell me which track on Jerry Goldsmith's recording of 2001 was the mistaken AFRICA track?


    It's the last cue of the VS album (track #12).

    http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/titl … ce+Odyssey

    Purportedly, the archive box(es) containing Alex North's manuscripts for 2001 also had his main theme for AFRICA erroneously stored inside with them.
    VS's Robert Townson and Jerry Goldsmith went ahead and included it in the re-recording not realizing this.

    However, since Townson is such a dedicated fan of Alex North, I think Townson would already have had owned the MGM LP of AFRICA for years prior to the 1993 re-recording and should have recognized AFRICA's theme when listening to playbacks of Goldsmith's sessions.

    I know I instantly noticed it the first time I heard the VS CD in 1993 (and I had only been familiar with AFRICA for 5 years at that time since I got a copy of the MGM LP in 1988).
    Folks like Graham Watt @ FSM made mention of their similar experiences about AFRICA surfacing into 2001.

    Guess a few of us soundtrack fanatics have memorized the contents of our music collections so much that we may know our stuff even more intimately than some record producers ... eh? wink
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      CommentAuthorCobweb
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2014
    Timmer wrote
    As I pointed out nothing earlier I'd just like to mention how much I like Malcolm Arnold's Nine Hours To Rama, a superb score. I'd love to see the film again.


    Glad you like NINE HOURS TO RAMA, Timmer - I think there aren't any British composers whose music you don't like.

    Thanks, also, for including Mario Nascimbene in the favorites lists; I didn't expect Nascimbene to be in any top 50 list.

    My favorite Nascimbenes are DOCTOR FAUSTUS and BARABBAS, but there's no Mario in any of my top favorites.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2014
    Thanks for the info on 2001/Africa, I would never have known.

    Cobweb wrote
    Timmer - I think there aren't any British composers whose music you don't like.


    Rick Wakeman. Lovely bloke who I've personally met but I don't like any of his film scores. Perhaps Monty Norman as well. wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2014
    Timmer wrote
    Thanks for the info on 2001/Africa, I would never have known.

    Cobweb wrote
    Timmer - I think there aren't any British composers whose music you don't like.


    Rick Wakeman. Lovely bloke who I've personally met but I don't like any of his film scores. Perhaps Monty Norman as well. wink


    Don't like any of Wakeman's solo efforts either?
    I am extremely serious.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2014
    There are bits and pieces from the likes of Journey To The Centre of The Earth and The Six Wives of Henry VIII but on the whole, no!
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2014
    Hmmm, OK. I'm a bit surprised by that, knowing something about your taste otherwise, but there you go. Preferences are unpredictable. dizzy
    I am extremely serious.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2014
    Put it this way. I wouldn't be offended by it if I was sat in somebody else house listening. wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2014
    That would be my house. cool

    (I love both those albums)
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2014
    Like I said there are bits I like. Just keep the port flowing and we'll be fine. drink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2014 edited
    You knew I'd be back to Barry....


    # 23 JOHN BARRY - 'BOOM!'


    Perhaps one of John Barry's strangest albums. I believe that John Barry replaced a score by Johnny Dankworth at short notice, this is a wonderful album, one of those scores with smells and colours and resonance, if that makes sense? Its a heady mix of colourful orchestrations, a surreal, ethereal, heady mix of dark moods and mysterious exotica. The album is only 30 minutes long. Not having seen the film ( Adapted from a Tennessee Williams play directed by Joseph Losey and starring Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor and Noel Coward. I've heard the film is dreadful ) I've no idea if there is more score not present on the CD?

    The score has some very interesting and at times ambiguous track titles like...

    Through Caverns Measureless To Man
    You've Got More Things Going For You Than Teeth Baby
    Of A Year Unknown
    Which Way To The Sun
    The Shock of Each Moment of Being Alive

    The album ends with a song, obviously retained from the rejected score, called Hideaway written by Johnny Dankworth and Don Black and sung by Georgie Fame. Very pleasant it is too.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  2. Timmer wrote
    Through Caverns Measureless To Man
    You've Got More Things Going For You Than Teeth Baby
    Of A Year Unknown
    Which Way To The Sun
    The Shock of Each Moment of Being Alive

    Pawel, are these from your "James Horner porn film cue titles" list? biggrin
  3. Messala: Triumph c... triumph complete, Judah. The race won, the enemy destroyed?
    Judah Ben-Hur: I see no enemy.
    Messala: What do you think you see? The smashed body of a wretched animal? There's enough of a man still left here for you to hate. Let me help you. [he convulses with pain]
    Messala: You think they're dead, your mother and sister? Dead, and the race over? It isn't over, Judah. They're not dead.
    Judah Ben-Hur: [leaning closer] Where are they?
    [pause]
    Judah Ben-Hur: Where are they? WHERE ARE THEY?
    Messala: [with grim satisfaction] Look... look for them... in the Valley... of the Lepers! If you can recognize them!
    [Judah doubles over with grief]
    Messala: It goes on. It goes on, Judah. The race... the race... is not... over! [he dies]


    No 23: Ben-Hur (1959) by Miklós Rózsa

    This truely is one of the masterpieces of film music. What Rozsa began with Quo Vadis comes to an epic climax in Ben-Hur. The score is littered with themes that develope througout the score. A magnificent work of 20th century symphonic music. The Sony edition is great for its package, artwork and liner notes. Yet the FSM edition clearly has the superiour sound. Go for this latter album, but you really should have both.
    This is a film that I dearly want to see on the big cinema screen. I hope I'll catch it someday in some arthouse cinema. What cast, what cinematography, what a screenplay and, boy, what a score! Rozsa's sound for these bible epics is as iconic as William's STAR WARS or Morricone's spaghetti westerns. I grips you and it will never let go again.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2014 edited
    BOOM I'm totally unfamiliar with. BEN HUR is about as classic as it comes, and don't be surprised if it pops up on my list later on (I'll give my two cents then).

    My pick:

    23. FORREST GUMP (Alan Silvestri)

    I liked the film when it came out, and I like it now (even though many call it overrated). However, I only got around to the album some 5-6 years after the film had come out. I knew the score from the film, and I had the suite on the VOYAGES compilation. But when I found the score CD in a 'fleamarket'-type store, I picked it up -- even though it had some scratches and someone had written their name in the sleeve. It eventually became one of my most-played CD's.

    There's just something about the warmth, elegance and nostalgia all tucked into one here. It's perfect listening on a breezy summer day. The soft touches of the piano & strings. A bit of Americana. A bit of melodrama. A bit of melancholy. It all comes together to celebrate the man and the country it portrays -- but in a very personal manner that goes beyond any geographical borders.
    I am extremely serious.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2014 edited
    Do the math Captain Future wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  4. 22+1? That's a tough one! I'm so lousy at mathematics! shame
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 26th 2014
    biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  5. Thor wrote

    23. FORREST GUMP (Alan Silvestri)

    I liked the film when it came out, and I like it now (even though many call it overrated).


    There are some people out there who will call about every popular film overrated. They deem themselves especially sophisticated and intellectual for it. I have long stopped to give those showoffs any heed.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorCobweb
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014
    Timmer wrote
    Not having seen the film ( Adapted from a Tennessee Williams play directed by Joseph Losey and starring Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor and Noel Coward. I've heard the film is dreadful ) I've no idea if there is more score not present on the CD?


    Not only have I seen BOOM!, but I still have a copy of it on VHS tape. I'm very much a completist for the films of Joseph Losey, so I'm biased towards BOOM! and personally I like it. (But I also like THE MAGUS and DEADFALL, both of which have been maligned by lots of people).

    There isn't that much more music in the film that I can recall that isn't on the album, but then again there's tracks on the album that I don't remember hearing in the film!

    ... which leads me to ask, Timmer, which album of BOOM! are you referring to?

    The LP is a hard-to-locate special printing (and I never came across BOOM! on LP).
    The one I have is the Harkit CD (the implication being that this is either a bootleg or else not officially licensed)...
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 27th 2014
    Yes, I have the Harkit release, a label that has been controversial amongst film score fans.

    I also have 'BOOM!' on LP, I bought it in 1982, on the MCA label I believe it was a rerelease.

    BOOM!
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorCobweb
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2014
    Let me preface my 23rd entry by saying that even though I've ranked a few Italian soundtracks higher than this one, my overall favorite Italian composer is Piero Piccioni.
    My favorite Piccioni score is UNA TOMBA APERTA ... UNA BARA VUOTA (a Spanish-Italian giallo), which I would've ranked @ #20 before my Amfitheatrof/Friedhofer selection if the Beat album did not pair it with LO SQUATATORE DI NEW YORK (a disco/slasher effort by De Masi which I don't care for).

    So ... my favorite Piccioni album is my 2nd favorite Piccion score ... and that is ...

    #23 IL FARO IN CAPO AL MONDO (THE LIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE WORLD) on GDM Club CD from 2002.

    I own the 1972 General Music LP of FARO, but this expanded CD from GDM is a significant improvement (much more music!).

    For this Jules Verne-based pirate adventure yarn, Piero Piccioni has written what I consider to be a most impressionistic film score. Multiple themes waft into each other and weave around together to produce hypnotic ethereal effect via variations which never outstay their welcome.
    Not unlike French impressionism, Piccioni's FARO blurs the lines between the earthy the watery and the airy and the result feels organic.

    While Debussian in character, Piccioni's music here doesn't directly resemble the music of Debussy and, indeed, is not particularly French either. There's a sense of late-'60s/early-'70s Euro-vibe because Piccioni uses psychedelic electric bass guitar & organ to depict the threats of the vicious pirates as if they were hippie gangs and not from the 1860s.

    This is impressionism in conception if not in formal specifics.

    This Piccioni soundtrack appears to be well-received overall from feedback that I've read. Along with this composer's THE TENTH VICTIM and PUPPET ON A CHAIN, THE LIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE WORLD is one of Piccioni's best known efforts amongst English-speaking audiences.

    There will be 2 more soundtracks by Piccioni upcoming on my list between now and #30 - making Piccioni one of the 2 composers who have 3 albums within my Top 50.
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      CommentAuthorCobweb
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2014
    Timmer wrote
    I also have 'BOOM!' on LP, I bought it in 1982, on the MCA label I believe it was a rerelease.

    BOOM!


    How about that! A reissue on MCA.
    I didn't remember that. Wasn't the original on MGM (in the U.K. only)?
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2014
    I honestly don't know? I've seen the original LP once ( I think it was in 58 Dean Street Records, London ) but it was about £30 which was a helluva lot of money back in the early 80's.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  6. Ok, time for me to catch up a bit more. (I'm so behind!)

    #13 - HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON - John Powell

    What can I say about this album that everyone here doesn't already know? It's such a strong album. There are so many excellent themes. It's rousing, moving, beautiful, thunderous, catchy, epic, etc., etc. I can't wait to hear the new one all the way through.

    #14 - LEGENDS OF THE FALL - James Horner

    Another album that I don't need to say much about. It's the epitome of "sweeping." That finale track is a masterpiece.

    #15 - EL GRAN MILAGRO - Mark McKenzie

    To be clear, my choice here is the original digital download, the presentation of which is slightly better than the CD was. This album has a bazillion themes. Some of them are good enough that they would make an excellent album if they were the only theme on it, and they only appear on this album once! Using one theme as counterpoint for another in that last track is just brilliant and wonderful. I love this.

    #16 - CUTTHROAT ISLAND - John Debney

    This is the C&C album of the score. Typically I don't go for big loud scores or for expanded releases, but this one is so thematic, so swashbuckley, and so fun, that it's the exception to my rule. It's a great achievement.

    #17 - IRON WILL - Joel McNeely

    I have Erik to thank for discovering this. What a fantastic adventure score! The album is short, but that only means that every minute is packed with greatness. Those last two cues are huge.

    Well, I guess that's it for today. Not much commentary on those choices, but I think these are albums that probably don't need a lot of commentary, as I figure most of you are very well aware of them.
  7. I love every single one of those scores, Christopher. Nice stuff! beer
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 28th 2014
    ...only another six and you'll be bang up to date Christopher wink

    Martijn still has catching up to do....

    And franz_conrad will get to his 50th sometime around 2018-19
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  8. I will around 2040 probably. Trying to give my choices a lot of thought :mrgreen: An I dunno if I can find a 50 of all things.
    http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website