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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 5th 2008
Mostly.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 5th 2008 edited
Well let's see.
Crazy sicko goes around killing people without mercy for some money (1.000.000.000.002snd time we've heard this story). Tense first half of the movie. (un)lucky low-life nobody redneck finds the case with the very money and the sicko is after him, in the process he kills a lot of careless characters including the sorry ass existence of the lady-friend of the (un)lucky bastard. Yawn . Some mexicans are getting killed as well in the process but who cares, they're Mexicans. In the meantime, good ol' mighty redneck Tomy Lee Jones Sheriff is after all this but he's arriving a bit late every time, just after eveybody else is either gone or killed. He's an old dog in the business though and knows everything about what has happened; he collects evidence, the rookie that's with him gets excited on his role model, grandpa Tomme Lee Jones. Tomy Lee jones knows a lot, he has a huge experience in his work; and life, both of them have been harsh and tough on him. But he's very tired to do anything. And we are getting very sleepy. Tomy Lee jones's getting more and more tired, the sicko killing bastard kills more people and finally finds the (un)lucky bastard with the suitcase, he kills him and gets away with the friggin suitcase and the money. Tomy Lee jones knows what's going on but it's getting too tired. VERY tired. And then he retires. He goes home to his wife and he's milking cows. He drinks milk and gets nostalgic.
Movie ends.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 5th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Well let's see.
Crazy sicko goes around killing people without mercy for some money (1.000.000.000.002snd time we've heard this story). Tense first half of the movie. (un)lucky low-life nobody redneck finds the case with the very money and the sicko is after him, in the process he kills a lot of careless characters including the sorry ass existence of the lady-friend of the (un)lucky bastard. Yawn . Some mexicans are getting killed as well in the process but who cares, they're Mexicans. In the meantime, good ol' mighty redneck Tomy Lee Jones Sheriff is after all this but he's arriving a bit late every time, just after eveybody else is either gone or killed. He's an old dog in the business though and knows everything about what has happened; he collects evidence, the rookie that's with him gets excited on his role model, grandpa Tomme Lee Jones. Tomy Lee jones knows a lot, he has a huge experience in his work; and life, both of them have been harsh and tough on him. But he's very tired to do anything. And we are getting very sleepy. Tomy Lee jones's getting more and more tired, the sicko killing bastard kills more people and finally finds the (un)lucky bastard with the suitcase, he kills him and gets away with the friggin suitcase and the money. Tomy Lee jones knows what's going on but it's getting too tired. VERY tired. And then he retires. He goes home to his wife and he's milking cows. He drinks milk and gets nostalgic.
Movie ends.
Haven't seen it yet and DIDN'T read what you just wrote
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorBobdH
- CommentTimeApr 5th 2008 edited
Well, though I do think NCFOM quite a good movie, There Will Be Blood is infinitely better. Go watch that instead and you won't return all sighing
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 5th 2008
Atonement Brilliant! 5 / 5
Michael Clayton Mel got it out so I finally got to see it all the way through, not bad 3 / 5....JNH score is almost a non-entity, how the hell did it get a nomination?
Eastern Promises Good! 4 / 5On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 5th 2008
The FSM thread.
This is for you Michael
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 6th 2008 edited
Christodoulides wrote
Movie ends.
It's true, when you take all the film-making prowess out of the equation, the subtext (which you didn't seem to notice), the language and the textures, summed up in 200 words, it doesn't sound very impressive.
Different strokes for different folks. I know how you must feel, because I've also had moments where a film has come across incredibly overrated after seeing it long after everyone else - TRAFFIC, THE FOUNTAIN, PAN'S LABYRINTH and CROUCHING TIGER all come to mind. For me, NO COUNTRY was a rare film that survived the 'hype'. But I will say this: people don't always kiss the ass of the Coen Brothers. I saw THE LADYKILLERS and INTOLERABLE CRUELTY, and particularly after the former, I didn't think I'd ever bother to see one of their films again. You'd have to go back to 1994's HUDSUCKER PROXY to find a Coen film I thought came close to the masterful technique of this McCarthy adaptation.
Now I saw MICHAEL CLAYTON again, and I think it plays better when you know the overall shape of it. I still wonder whether it would work better without the flashback structure, but much like SYRIANA, it's a strong effort from a new film-maker with a social conscience. Strange as it may be to say, James Newton Howard's score is not the worst music ever written for a film. It actually does fit, and the choice of totally electronic textures is appropriate. My objection to it was always about what the music would have sounded like away from the film, and how basic a composition it was. But would a more structured underscore have worked any better? I can't really teach a class where I tell young composers that the film is all that matters, and then slap a major composer for thinking along those lines also. I heard many scores that were worse last year in the sense that they didn't even begin to mesh with the drama.
Even with my more sympathetic thoughts here, I couldn't swing Howard an Oscar nomination for the score. That's going a bit far. It's a good film, but there are better ways to award that. (How about a SCREENPLAY Oscar, instead of that JUNO newbie screenwriter?)A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 6th 2008 edited
On No Country for old men, I am just trying to understand it mate, where the meaning is in all this i really want to understand. What they're trying to tell us through the movie is what i don't get, nor its meaning (if any) whatsoever. I am not completely dismissing it or else i wouldn't be here talking about it; i want to understand but i honestly can't.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeApr 6th 2008
I think it was all about the hopelessness of trying to defeat evil. Evil is something that will always be there, how random it even can be. But don't ask me what the last scene was about.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 6th 2008
Really? I thought it was about old people getting bored and tired of life just about the point they REALLY have the experience to do something; at that point, all energy abandons them.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 6th 2008 edited
To me it's about how people encounter death and whom it chooses to take.
For some, it's the random outcome of a coin flop that hardly seems fair, even though the odds were 50/50. The petrol station man was lucky. Who knows whether Chigurh ended up flipping a coin before his last killing in the film, but if so, Moss's wife was not so lucky.
For some, it's a consequence of the life they choose to lead - the dangers they court, the business they involve themselves with. Llewellyn is one of these men, caught up in the thrill of the chase, reliving the sensation of being at war in Vietnam. But he thinks of it as too much of a game, and forgets that it can come from more than one place.
Some forget that death is a possible outcome. Carson Wells (Woody Harrelson) is one of these, his pride getting the better of him. He thinks he has bargaining chips, but he can't bargain with death.
Neither can the man in the office whom Chigurh kills. Neither can the middle management. These are men who deal with death as part of their business, trying to weaponise it, forgetting that it can turn on them. As Wells says of Chigurh: 'He's a peculiar man. You could even say that he has principles. Principles that transcend money or drugs or anything like that. He's not like you. He's not even like me.'
At the end, the Tommy Lee Jones character is in something of a fix. Because he was not ready for death (nor was it waiting for him - though he thought it was in that hotel room), but neither is he prepared to continue living in the world in any effective way. He has conversations with others, one with an old law man who persuades him not to think that the way things have gone with Chigurh are a reflection on him ('It's not all waiting on you. That's just vanity.'); another with an old law man who equates Chigurh with the changing of the times (speaking of kids with 'green hair' as somehow equivalent!); one with a younger law man (the scene where he reads the stories from the newspaper); and finally, he shares his thoughts with his wife.
I think Bregt asked about the meaning of the dreams in the last scene. That's a bit of a longer discussion, but I recommend googling it and reading some of the blog interpretations if you're interested. Here's the text of his final speech:
Alright then. Two of 'em. Both had my father in 'em . It's peculiar. I'm older now then he ever was by twenty years. So in a sense he's the younger man. Anyway, first one I don't remember to well but it was about meeting him in town somewhere, he's gonna give me some money. I think I lost it. The second one, it was like we was both back in older times and I was on horseback goin' through the mountains of a night. Goin' through this pass in the mountains. It was cold and there was snow on the ground and he rode past me and kept on goin'. Never said nothin' goin' by. He just rode on past... and he had his blanket wrapped around him and his head down and when he rode past I seen he was carryin' fire in a horn the way people used to do and I could see the horn from the light inside of it. 'Bout the color of the moon. And in the dream I knew that he was goin' on ahead and he was fixin' to make a fire somewhere out there in all that dark and all that cold, and I knew that whenever I got there he would be there. And then I woke up.
For me, part of the significance of it is not so much the dreams in particular, but the content, and the way the audience hears the words. The content is totally about him and his father - withdrawn from the problems of the rest of the film - and that has some significance, I suspect. Reconsider the film's opening voice over, which is also about the relationship of him to his forebears, but in the context of the work he does - the nihilistic nature of the criminals he's coming across more and more. At the end, he's doesn't meditate on those things any more.
As for the way the audience hears the words, cinematically speaking a disembodied voice tends to be more powerful than a voice nailed to a body. Narrators, acousmetres (characters who exist only as voices - the Wizard of Oz, Hal 9000 from 2001), and characters whose words carry over other images tend to be more powerful than characters whose words are visualised. And so NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN begins with a voice over from Tommy Lee Jones, weary but still resonant, declaring his concept of the world over the imagery of Texas. As a narrator, introducing a tale, he has a certain power as a presence. The character doesn't actually appear until 22 mins or so into the film, but his familiar voice has already been set up as the 'voice of wisdom'.
The way the audience hears his words is very different in that final scene. He speaks in a medium shot, slightly right of centre frame, his words 'nailed' to a form that is a shadow of the strength the same voice conveyed at the film's opening. It's very suitable for the way the character has lost credibility for us as a defence against evil.
All of this may sound irrelevant, but it was a decision the film-makers made, and I appreciate the subtle aesthetic arc of the way Tommy Lee Jones' voice is heard throughout the film. There are other subtle arcs - of photography, of sound design (the use of that dry breeze in some scene is quite chilling), of performance (Bardem is numbingly consistent throughout, but there are these little moments that are very telling), but I think my favourite has to be the arc of the narrator's voice.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Tonight I watched a film which, in the grand scheme of things, maybe isn't quite up to the standard of that being discussed above... Medicine Man.
It's not bad, really, not as bad as its reputation suggests at any rate. And it's a film that any fan of film music should watch - not only does the lead actor have his hairstyle modelled on the film's composer (the credit for Goldsmith in the end title scroll is extremely funny), but I doubt in his long and glorious career Goldsmith can ever have had such a favourable sound mix. Much of the time, dialogue and sound effects are removed completely when his music plays, particularly during its most striking moments. It's a terrific little score, hardly a top-drawer effort when taken in context of his career as a whole, but terrific nonetheless. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
I never have seen Medicine Man, but I should like to some time. My recent tour of Jerry films crossed a handful of films off the list (Hollow Man, Tora Tora Tora, Capricorn One, Sand Pebbles, Boys from Brazil, Chinatown and Papillon again, Star Trek The Motion Picture for the first time in years), but Medicine Man remains to be seen. Russia House is another one from the same period I'd like to see again.
Last night I saw one of the best films I've ever seen - After Life by Hirokazu Koreeda. I heard about the idea seven years ago, and strangely enough it's lived up to my expectations all these years later. Such a simple story based on beautiful characters, which was open to being made very simply. If this one ever pops up on cable wherever you live, well worth the two hours.
Koreeda also made Nobody Knows, a Japanese family drama.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Southall wrote
Tonight I watched a film which, in the grand scheme of things, maybe isn't quite up to the standard of that being discussed above... Medicine Man.
It's not bad, really, not as bad as its reputation suggests at any rate. And it's a film that any fan of film music should watch - not only does the lead actor have his hairstyle modelled on the film's composer (the credit for Goldsmith in the end title scroll is extremely funny), but I doubt in his long and glorious career Goldsmith can ever have had such a favourable sound mix. Much of the time, dialogue and sound effects are removed completely when his music plays, particularly during its most striking moments. It's a terrific little score, hardly a top-drawer effort when taken in context of his career as a whole, but terrific nonetheless.
Quite topical seeing as you used The Trees in your quiz
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Does anyone else just have the TV on while listening to scores? It's really funny watching movies and seeing how other scores somehow fit in with certain scenes (not particularly well though!). Last night Sahara was on while I was listening to Blades Of Glory....oh man, did that not work well!
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
thanks for your points on NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, Michael.
Some pretty good ones and others which i am struggling to understand if we were watching the same movie
Very interesting read overall though, appreciated.
On another subject, Last night i was in a completely HOLLYWOOD mood and i went to watch VANTAGE POINT. Man did i have fun or not!!! We're talking here about everything that is a Hollywood spectacle. Lots of tension and lots and lots of build up, breathtaking pace and slick, brilliant camera work, an over the top car chase that held you on the edge of your seat, all the cliches that American political thrillers of this kind always carry, deaths, non-stop action, agony and Atli's loud and generic RC / GREGSON-WILLIAMS-esque score which - admittedly, worked WONDERS in this very film. If it wasn't for the incredibly stupid and childish ending which led the entire audience laughing while it was supposed to be a very dramatic scene, this - as a plain HOLLYWOOD fun experience, would be a straight 9/10. With the really idiotic ending it fell down a point or two but was still damn fun.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Tonight I watched a film which, in the grand scheme of things, maybe isn't quite up to the standard of that being discussed above... Medicine Man.
It's not bad, really, not as bad as its reputation suggests at any rate. And it's a film that any fan of film music should watch - not only does the lead actor have his hairstyle modelled on the film's composer (the credit for Goldsmith in the end title scroll is extremely funny), but I doubt in his long and glorious career Goldsmith can ever have had such a favourable sound mix. Much of the time, dialogue and sound effects are removed completely when his music plays, particularly during its most striking moments. It's a terrific little score, hardly a top-drawer effort when taken in context of his career as a whole, but terrific nonetheless.
Quite topical seeing as you used The Trees in your quiz
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- CommentAuthorTim (not timmer)
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
On another subject, Last night i was in a completely HOLLYWOOD mood and i went to watch VANTAGE POINT. Man did i have fun or not!!! We're talking here about everything that is a Hollywood spectacle. Lots of tension and lots and lots of build up, breathtaking pace and slick, brilliant camera work, an over the top car chase that held you on the edge of your seat, all the cliches that American political thrillers of this kind always carry, deaths, non-stop action, agony and Atli's loud and generic RC / GREGSON-WILLIAMS-esque score which - admittedly, worked WONDERS in this very film. If it wasn't for the incredibly stupid and childish ending which led the entire audience laughing while it was supposed to be a very dramatic scene, this - as a plain HOLLYWOOD fun experience, would be a straight 9/10. With the really idiotic ending it fell down a point or two but was still damn fun.
Couldn't agree more. While The end was a bit silly I still had enormous fun as did three of my friends who would not normally enjoy such a film as much. Think its been slgihtly unfairly slated in the press, as I came out haveing really enjoyed my time in the cinema.If in doubt, let the wookie win -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Yeah, it was VERY enjoyable indeed. Lots and Lots of fun, if you switch off your brain
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Yeah, it was VERY enjoyable indeed. Lots and Lots of fun, if you switch off your brain
I think the entire cinema (myself included) failed at that. By the third time the clock reset to 12pm (why did they tell us FIVE TIMES?!) you could hear people groaning.
I liked that Mr. Lost turned out to be a traitor, but that (along with the decoy president) were the only two bits in the film that engaged me. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
VANTAGE POINT is the multiple perspectives film? (You should see RASHOMON, if you haven't, the grandaddy of all such films! DePalma's SNAKE EYES has some good scenes too.)A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Yeah, i read about that although i haven't seen it. It's a very clever concept indeed but i can quickly become tiring in the hands of an amateur director. Vantage Point was SO fun for me but i can see how some people might got tired by it, i too heard groaning over the audience at the third "re-wind" onward.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Anthony wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Yeah, it was VERY enjoyable indeed. Lots and Lots of fun, if you switch off your brain
I think the entire cinema (myself included) failed at that. By the third time the clock reset to 12pm (why did they tell us FIVE TIMES?!) you could hear people groaning.
I liked that Mr. Lost turned out to be a traitor, but that (along with the decoy president) were the only two bits in the film that engaged me.
Why mate? Did you expect something else perhaps? I mean when you went to see it? Personally, I read reviews prior and i knew exactly what i went to watch, that's why i enjoyed it to the utmost.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Anthony wrote
Does anyone else just have the TV on while listening to scores? It's really funny watching movies and seeing how other scores somehow fit in with certain scenes (not particularly well though!). Last night Sahara was on while I was listening to Blades Of Glory....oh man, did that not work well!
Occasionally.
I like it when a piece of score fits in an oddball way, particularly in advertisments giving the product an entirely different vibe.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
Anthony wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Yeah, it was VERY enjoyable indeed. Lots and Lots of fun, if you switch off your brain
I think the entire cinema (myself included) failed at that. By the third time the clock reset to 12pm (why did they tell us FIVE TIMES?!) you could hear people groaning.
I liked that Mr. Lost turned out to be a traitor, but that (along with the decoy president) were the only two bits in the film that engaged me.
Why mate? Did you expect something else perhaps? I mean when you went to see it? Personally, I read reviews prior and i knew exactly what i went to watch, that's why i enjoyed it to the utmost.
I knew it wasn't going to be anything amazing. In fact, it fulfilled all my expectations (which weren't many to start with), but the fact it treated the audience like they were stupid...
rewind...blank screen...that stupid 12pm chime...then they tell us it's 12pm again...we needed that once! Not each time. It made me feel like I wanted to say ''shut up!'' to the movie.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
I liked that; what disturbed me was the stupid ending. I thought the time-shift and the build-up caused by viewing the same events all over and over again via different perspectives was very effective and to the point.
Anyway, i don't see why you're bothered by the time thingy while at the same time you adore a show with similar tricks and theme *cough* 24 *cough*
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeApr 7th 2008
Forest Whittaker and that girl...OMG. BAD!
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- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
Tommy Lee Jones discusses his character's last speech in
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN
* SPOILERS *
"So there's a lot of different ways of thinking about morality, is what we were saying last, and the conventional way is not always the right way. Morality might be bigger than you are. And I think the human being needs -- I don't know if he deserves, but needs -- frequent reminders that the world ain't flat and he's not living in the center of the universe. I think that's an important part about the last few moments in the movie.
"You're asking me now about the last scene, which is essentially a speech by Ed Tom Bell recounting dreams about his father. And you have the feeling that Ed Tom is thinking about hope, about the future, and that no matter what evil might have transpired, or no matter what opportunities were lost for communication between father and son, or between brother and brother, sister and brother, that somewhere off ahead through the darkness and cold there's a father who carried fire to create a warm place to welcome you. And that keeps you going, because you know he'll be there.
"And after describing that beautiful picture, Ed Tom says, 'And then I woke up.' So, as always with Cormac, the question becomes more important than the answer. Was that dream an illusion or not?"A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorBregt
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
Wohoow. Let I just keep it with how good I found this movie in my own head. But it's great to read about what could all behind it.Kazoo -
- CommentAuthorBobdH
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2008 edited
THE FALL
An epic fantasyfilm produced by David Fincher and Spike Jonze (though you wouldn't say it, based on the looks of it) that's lacking in (emotional) substance, doesn't have the right flow and can't sustain a right mood (childish at once, brutal the next), but is good fun due to its lavish visuals and broad scope. Pretty good, classical sounding score as well, though Wojciech Kilar's Dracula was obviously used as a temp at several occasions.
