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    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    PREMONITION

    It was on TV. Don't. Just don't.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008 edited
    Don't worry, only you do such mistakes wink

    PERFUME


    Deeply disappointing for a Tom Tywker film, and while it has some very good elements like the able visual representation of senses, smells and the central character's craze along with some breathtaking scenery, the movie in general felt standardized Hollywood to me while it should have never been like that for this director. Tension came and went and wasn't as gripping as i thought it would be, performances were so and so (with the exception of the brilliant central character), the much-talked "disgusting" scenes weren't as strong as reputed, care for the virgins getting killed was totally absent and not created for the audience against them and overall the movie felt too long, tiring and lost at some points. The climax (from the point he stands as "messiah" in the middle of the crowds due to the perfume) if it's to be taken dry, i.e. without metaphorical extensions, is too over-the-top but the surprising ending is very effective and shocking i must admit. In general, i think the over-hype killed this movie for me.

    Additionally, for those who accuse the score as "bastardized baroque porn music" (and several other relevantly "cute" characterisations), i say go watch the movie and the use of the music in it; it's easily one of the most effective, creepily beautiful, gripping, intense and spectacular modern symphonic film scores out there. My (otherwise high) appreciation for the score rose even more. Brilliant work.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    Don't worry, only you do such mistakes wink


    It's so true. I watch so much junk TV. rolleyes cry
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    Anthony wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Don't worry, only you do such mistakes wink


    It's so true. I watch so much junk TV. rolleyes cry


    I'm sure there's an ancient Chinese proverb that says 'man who watch too much junk TV cry very much' biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    Yes, it's called Anthony. smile
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    Watching Disney's MULAN

    Playing the promo score at the same time. Amazing Experience!! punk
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008 edited
    I wish more DVDs had isolated scores. I remember when I only had Tomorrow Never Dies and the complete wasn't out.....those were the days. rolleyes

    Hopefully Blu-Ray capacity will allow for more things like this. Having a movie with no music what so ever might also be quite interesting to see (as in where it should...no one mention Cloverfield!). smile
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    So nobody saw PERFUME : THE STORY OF A MURDERER?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    So nobody saw PERFUME : THE STORY OF A MURDERER?


    I've seen it. Beautiful film. Visually stunning, and it captures the fairytale set-up and mood of the novel really well through the performance of the actors, especially Dustin, and of course the visuality combined with the music. It's not a tale of suspense in the first place; it doesn't want to shock at all; it's a tale of loneliness, told in highly stylised fashion, with themes many fairytales have touched upon, and that ever-present grimm touch that makes them so fascinating.

    Nevertheless, we never really get into the psychology of the main character, which is a shame, and there are several deeper layers of Süskinds novel that are left untouched. Yet the story presented on film is a wonderful tale that's very rare in modern Hollywood. And, with maintaining the endings (yes, it's symbolic), is still very much un-Hollywood. It's not 'Hollywood': it's 'romantic', and I think it's delightful.
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      CommentAuthorLSH
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    Just slamming The Shawshank Redemption in my DVD player for the millionth time. Still, the film never ever fails to amaze me and always leaves me with a smile for about an hour afterwards. Perfect chilled-out Friday night viewing.

    cool
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    LSH wrote
    Just slamming The Shawshank Redemption in my DVD player for the millionth time. Still, the film never ever fails to amaze me and always leaves me with a smile for about an hour afterwards. Perfect chilled-out Friday night viewing.

    cool


    One of the best movies ever made! cool beer
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    Bob, are you familiar with the previous Tywker works?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    So nobody saw PERFUME : THE STORY OF A MURDERER?


    Yeap! And I agree more with Bob.

    At least we all agree the score is fantastic cool
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    Bob, are you familiar with the previous Tywker works?


    Hey, I'm European, we even live next to Germany, of course I am wink I think especially Lola Rennt is amazing, and Perfume isn't even a big departure for him. All his films are about the connection between visuals and music, and this is no exception. He adapted exactly the right kind of style for this story. Have you read the novel, btw?
  1. I've seen PERFUME. As a film, I find it reasonably entertaining. The narration by John Hurt (who also narrated DOGVILLE) is a nice touch, and Ben Whishaw makes for an interesting enigmatic main character. Music is very fine in context, and the imagery of the film certainly is rich. The climax scene where he waves the hankerchief at the crowd is a beautiful example of how music can evoke the intangible senses of cinema (smell and touch). I find the basic story of PERFUME itself very fascinating.

    Having said that, it's not a masterpiece by any means. The awkward interaction of the cosmopolitan cast rules that out. I'll certainly watch just about anything Tykwer makes, but so far HEAVEN (where he was intentionally suppressing modern aspects of his style in tribute to Kieslowski) stands head and shoulders above the rest. PERFUME isn't as rewarding as HEAVEN, nor even as rewarding as RUN LOLA RUN (though it's a lot closer to this in style). It is 'better' than what I remember of WINTER SLEEPERS and PRINCESS AND THE WARRIOR though. But I don't think I've seen enough consistency of tone, technique or subject matter in a Tykwer film to recognise it as a Tykwer film without knowing that info from the outset. Perhaps his next film - a corporate thriller like DEMONLOVER - will help me figure out what that is.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2008
    I agree with Michael. That's what i am saying; i couldn't believe PERFUME was a film by the man who gave us the BRILLIANT Heaven and Run Lola Run. Very little relation between those projects and Perfume; that disappointed me, Perfume could have been done exactly the same by any other director out there.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2008 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    Perfume could have been done exactly the same by any other director out there.


    I strongly disagree, when looking at the visual style, the classic touch and the way music is used. I think there are disappointingly little directors nowadays working in Hollywood who have the right eyes and ears to accomplish something like this. But this is turning into a "did to! did not!' pointless discussion wink
  2. I don't think anyone else would have made PERFUME the same actually. I think there's quite a few visual techniques he carries from one film to the next (as much as the next director, that is). Though it is true that PERFUME is quite dissimilar from HEAVEN, HEAVEN is nothing like RUN LOLA RUN or WINTER SLEEPERS. (And in some ways PERFUME is more like RUN LOLA RUN.) But that seems to be a product of the type of stories being told. HEAVEN is, as the title suggests, about a kind of absolution available even to those who do terrible things. Understandably, there's an emphasis on late afternoon light, renaissance-era architecture and structures (with their underlining principle of the relationship between God and Man), the visual motif of ascent, etc.

    PERFUME on the other hand devotes most of its construction to communicating the 'sense of smell'. Saturation and colours are used more intensely. The theme, and therefore the expression of it are very different. Kieslowski's script called for imagery of the divine. Suskind's novel and language call for something earthy and sensual. It didn't bother that it was so different from HEAVEN, since the story is based on apposite roots. I sometimes think modern directors too quickly assume that they are the next Bergman or Welles or Antonioni and impose a style of familiar characteristics on material that might have been better handled. (Of course it's partly a way for directors to market their talents - to be so identifiable in much the way that investors know what they'll get if they hire George Clooney to play a role.)
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2008
    I've been wanting to review Alex North's 2001 for ages but haven't yet found a way of doing it justice. Anyway, I thought watching the film again might help, so I watched it for the first time in ages - it's a phenomenon on Blu-Ray, so much detail there I'd never seen before. But I guess it's a phenomenon however you watch it.
  3. James, if you'd like, I can send you a dvd that has North's score matched up to the first 45 minutes of the film.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2008
    I would love to see that! Perhaps I will prise Lucky You from the hands of Lady S and send that to you!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2008
    Michael, how is WINTER SLEEPERS ? I haven't seen that one yet.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2008 edited
    * FLY AWAY HOME

    A fine family film, for the most part - albeit with a highly improbable premise. It's a pretty nuanced character drama up untill the flight scenes, then it kinda goes overboard (especially with the whole media/press coverage thing). I also think Anna Paquin struggles a bit to find her character here - a far cry from her fine performance in THE PIANO. Some lovely shots, though, and a decent score by Isham....some of the flight music does become a bit repetitative, though, and he could have scored some of the suspense scenes more...well, suspenseful. So, in short: some good stuff and some bad stuff. smile
    I am extremely serious.
  4. Thor wrote
    * FLY AWAY HOME

    A fine family film, for the most part - albeit with a highly improbable premise. It's a pretty nuanced character drama up untill the flight scenes, then it kinda goes overboard (especially with the whole media/press coverage thing). I also think Anna Paquin struggles a bit to find her character here - a far cry from her fine performance in THE PIANO. Some lovely shots, though, and a decent score by Isham....some of the flight music does become a bit repetitative, though, and he could have scored some of the suspense scenes more...well, suspenseful. So, in short: some good stuff and some bad stuff. smile


    Decent score? Are you insane? Its one of his most beautiful shocked
    waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2008
    Tommy_Boy wrote
    Decent score? Are you insane? Its one of his most beautiful shocked


    He, he...well, you have to realize that I'm not the biggest Isham fan in the first place. I've owned a few of his soundtracks over the years, but currently have no Isham in my collection.
    I am extremely serious.
  5. Christodoulides wrote
    Michael, how is WINTER SLEEPERS ? I haven't seen that one yet.


    I wasn't very taken with it. Mind you, it's been 8 years since I saw it in Jan 2000, so my opinion may have changed. I had just seen RUN LOLA RUN and was disappointed it wasn't more like that. It's a small scale story of intersecting lives where there are dark secrets (someone accidentally killed someone else, and then ended up with his girlfriend). Some good skiing scenes, from memory.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2008
    Watched one of the 2001 documentaries, about filmmakers who've been inspired by it. Spielberg talked about its technical achievements, Lucas talked about it in a way which implies he didn't understand a single thing it was actually about, and much to my surprise the most passionate speaker was Peter Hyams.
  6. That is pretty interesting.

    Tarkovsky (who made the other GRAVE, PROFOUND SCI-FI FILM of that era, SOLARIS), accused Kubrick's film of having 'no heart'. It's often interesting to hear these film-makers talk about eachother, because they often think of the way they would have made the film as the basis for criticism. SOLARIS does indeed have a lot of 'heart' compared to 2001. I'm rather glad we got both.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2008
    George Lucas says something like "I never would have had the guts to make that movie back then" - this is interesting on a number of levels, for instance - (a) George Lucas was about five years old "back then"; and (b) this implies he thinks he does have the guts to make that movie now (or whenever the interview was done) - hmm, really George?
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2008
    2001 and Star Wars are both scifi James.
    George really did make such a movie!
    Kazoo