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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 28th 2008
    HeeroJF wrote
    Martijn wrote
    What's a little retconning between friends? smile

    Can Boba Fett quote you one that??


    Boba Fett was ALWAYS a shock trooper.
    That was already part of continuity back in 1980.

    The whole cloning thing was fleshing out the part, not retconning it.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    Who said anything different? PASSION OF THE CHRIST is a modern masterpiece imo.


    I can tell you Jewish people didn't like the film and they didn't want it made. I can understand why they would think that too. I am definitely not being racist or anything. I hate racism.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    It exaggerated on the portrayal of some things but didn't show anything that didn't happen. So it's their problem from that point onward. wink
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    It exaggerated on the portrayal of some things but didn't show anything that didn't happen. So it's their problem from that point onward. wink


    The bit where Jesus levitates over a platoon of Philistines and evaporates them with his telescopic laser eyes was a bit far fetched.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    It's the ending that frazzled me a little, personally, and I'm not even Jewish. Jesus getting up from the tomb to the sound of Debney's militaristic drums (a choice of Mel, really) which can only convey one message: "And thus the Saviour rises from the dead to go kick some unbeliever @$$." shocked The fact that people killed in his name for millenia afterwards... isn't that a manmade decision? Doesn't strike me as a very divine act. For the movie to convey that message was destabilizing. But I just adored every other aspect of the film. So evocative. Laser-eyes aside.

    About Boba Fett (boy, that's a jump), it's the bit about his original name being Jaster Mereel, exiled journeyman from Concord Dawn who only later took on the name of Boba Fett that they had to kinda bend and twist a little to make compatible with the new history. Considering the fast one that Mr. Lucas pulled on those authors, I think they did a good job.
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
  1. Ralph Kruhm wrote
    And thanks for not spoiling it. I´ve yet to see the movie, and after your review, I think I finally will do it very soon.

    It´s the same with Passion of the Christ. That movie was drowned by the discussion, but when I finally saw it, it was nothing like I had heard. It was amazing, it was deeply moving, with beautiful settings and imagery, and to listen to those original languages was a very unusual, but great experience.

    I´m looking forward to apocalypto now.


    Passion pretty much leaves me a wreck when it's finished. I literally am devastated and need some time to return to reality. Though I'm not religious in the strictest sense (I'm catholic but not a fanatic) this movie still gets to me in anyway it can.

    Apocalypto also has that brutal visceral feel in its many shocking scenes, and the whole 2nd part is one kickass jungle chase / suspense extravaganza that is so superbly directed you feel for the main character and his tribulations. But unlike Jesus he knows how to fight back.

    Both fantastic movies, which deserve their place alongside Mel's other masterpiece Braveheart. He is a terrific director, as well as an actor I've always liked seeing.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    HeeroJF wrote
    It's the ending that frazzled me a little, personally, and I'm not even Jewish. Jesus getting up from the tomb to the sound of Debney's militaristic drums (a choice of Mel, really) which can only convey one message: "And thus the Saviour rises from the dead to go kick some unbeliever @$$." shocked The fact that people killed in his name for millenia afterwards... isn't that a manmade decision? Doesn't strike me as a very divine act. For the movie to convey that message was destabilizing. But I just adored every other aspect of the film. So evocative. Laser-eyes aside.

    About Boba Fett (boy, that's a jump), it's the bit about his original name being Jaster Mereel, exiled journeyman from Concord Dawn who only later took on the name of Boba Fett that they had to kinda bend and twist a little to make compatible with the new history. Considering the fast one that Mr. Lucas pulled on those authors, I think they did a good job.


    How is the ending of the film destabilizing?

    DreamTheater wrote
    Ralph Kruhm wrote
    And thanks for not spoiling it. I´ve yet to see the movie, and after your review, I think I finally will do it very soon.

    It´s the same with Passion of the Christ. That movie was drowned by the discussion, but when I finally saw it, it was nothing like I had heard. It was amazing, it was deeply moving, with beautiful settings and imagery, and to listen to those original languages was a very unusual, but great experience.

    I´m looking forward to apocalypto now.


    Passion pretty much leaves me a wreck when it's finished. I literally am devastated and need some time to return to reality. Though I'm not religious in the strictest sense (I'm catholic but not a fanatic) this movie still gets to me in anyway it can.

    Apocalypto also has that brutal visceral feel in its many shocking scenes, and the whole 2nd part is one kickass jungle chase / suspense extravaganza that is so superbly directed you feel for the main character and his tribulations. But unlike Jesus he knows how to fight back.

    Both fantastic movies, which deserve their place alongside Mel's other masterpiece Braveheart. He is a terrific director, as well as an actor I've always liked seeing.


    I am religious and this is a very emotional film for me as well. Very intense. shocked

    I think my favorite moments are when the roman soldier pierces Jesus' side and all the water hits his face and he falls to his knees, and when God has that first tear before the storm comes.
    Christodoulides wrote
    It exaggerated on the portrayal of some things but didn't show anything that didn't happen. So it's their problem from that point onward. wink


    What parts do you feel were exaggerated? I don't think antisemitism was found anywhere. The Jews wanted Jesus killed. If I was in that crowd that day, I would have wanted the same thing.
    Many Jews thought they were being blamed. Yes, they played a role, but it was meant to be. At least in my beliefs.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    HeeroJF wrote
    About Boba Fett (boy, that's a jump), it's the bit about his original name being Jaster Mereel, exiled journeyman from Concord Dawn who only later took on the name of Boba Fett that they had to kinda bend and twist a little to make compatible with the new history.


    Ah, you refer to The Tales Of the Bounty Hunters.
    Fair enough. While I didn't like a couple of the stories in that Bantam book personally (the Boba Fett story for one, but also the awfully over-convoluted "IG-88 is the Death Star" story), the books were checked and OK'd by Lucasfilm to ensure continuity.
    So they did indeed have to retcon Jaster Mereel.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  2. For me, the Mary goes to Jesus scene is the point where it becomes unbearable (in the best way possible, I mean). Of course I know how Mel is playing with us there, but enough is enough. No one who´s a parent can watch that scene and survive unharmed.

    About the ending: Pure genius. And those drums are certainly not about war or anything similar.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Passion Of The Christ?
    Loved it! Brilliant use of photography to give Jesus a very strong erotic vibe, especially during the protracted torture scene, where clearly the blood serves as a metaphor for the male semen. The groaning and grinning resembles nothing so much as a homo-erotic encounter, although I could understand how the interminable sado-masochistic overtones could repel anyone unhappy not to take this as the Freudian allegory it is.
    A powerful excercise in the psychology of the male sexual mind (Debney's score supports this brilliantly with an archetypically large, military sound). Brave move by Gibson and a truly groundbreaking and impressive alternative interpretation.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008 edited
    omaha wrote

    What parts do you feel were exaggerated? I don't think antisemitism was found anywhere. The Jews wanted Jesus killed. If I was in that crowd that day, I would have wanted the same thing.
    Many Jews thought they were being blamed. Yes, they played a role, but it was meant to be. At least in my beliefs.


    Neither do i. I am talking about the visual aspect of the film although i strongly believe it is realistic.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Martijn wrote
    Passion Of The Christ?
    Loved it! Brilliant use of photography to give Jesus a very strong erotic vibe, especially during the protracted torture scene, where clearly the blood serves as a metaphor for the male semen. The groaning and grinning resembles nothing so much as a homo-erotic encounter, although I could understand how the interminable sado-masochistic overtones could repel anyone unhappy not to take this as the Freudian allegory it is.
    A powerful excercise in the psychology of the male sexual mind (Debney's score supports this brilliantly with an archetypically large, military sound). Brave move by Gibson and a truly groundbreaking and impressive alternative interpretation.


    biggrin

    Giggedy.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Martijn wrote
    Passion Of The Christ?
    Loved it! Brilliant use of photography to give Jesus a very strong erotic vibe, especially during the protracted torture scene, where clearly the blood serves as a metaphor for the male semen. The groaning and grinning resembles nothing so much as a homo-erotic encounter, although I could understand how the interminable sado-masochistic overtones could repel anyone unhappy not to take this as the Freudian allegory it is.
    A powerful excercise in the psychology of the male sexual mind (Debney's score supports this brilliantly with an archetypically large, military sound). Brave move by Gibson and a truly groundbreaking and impressive alternative interpretation.


    This is the first time, The first time I've read anything about this film that I've never seen that has now made me WANT to see it!!!

    biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  3. Timmer wrote
    Martijn wrote
    Passion Of The Christ?
    Loved it! Brilliant use of photography to give Jesus a very strong erotic vibe, especially during the protracted torture scene, where clearly the blood serves as a metaphor for the male semen. The groaning and grinning resembles nothing so much as a homo-erotic encounter, although I could understand how the interminable sado-masochistic overtones could repel anyone unhappy not to take this as the Freudian allegory it is.
    A powerful excercise in the psychology of the male sexual mind (Debney's score supports this brilliantly with an archetypically large, military sound). Brave move by Gibson and a truly groundbreaking and impressive alternative interpretation.


    This is the first time, The first time I've read anything about this film that I've never seen that has now made me WANT to see it!!!

    biggrin


    GO SEE IT!!!

    BE PREPARED !!!!

    That's all I can say!
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Ralph Kruhm wrote
    For me, the Mary goes to Jesus scene is the point where it becomes unbearable (in the best way possible, I mean). Of course I know how Mel is playing with us there, but enough is enough. No one who´s a parent can watch that scene and survive unharmed.

    About the ending: Pure genius. And those drums are certainly not about war or anything similar.

    Can you explain them better? I would really like to get that "I kick ass for the Lord" taste out of my mouth, for that's really the only part of the movie that left me ambivalent.

    That's what I meant by destabilizing: the message at the end that the resurrection is the start of a long drawn-out divinely-ordained bloody battle against other religions. If there's another way to interpret that ending, please enlighten me, I want my mind changed!

    Where can Mel Gibson go from here, after Apocalypto? Personally I can't wait to see what other culture he'll expose us to. Maybe he can do his own version of 10 000 BC that's not laughable. Maybe he can bring us firsthand exposure to the Bubonic Plague?
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Gibson's output as a director during the last years is simply impressive.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    HeeroJF wrote
    Ralph Kruhm wrote
    For me, the Mary goes to Jesus scene is the point where it becomes unbearable (in the best way possible, I mean). Of course I know how Mel is playing with us there, but enough is enough. No one who´s a parent can watch that scene and survive unharmed.

    About the ending: Pure genius. And those drums are certainly not about war or anything similar.

    Can you explain them better? I would really like to get that "I kick ass for the Lord" taste out of my mouth, for that's really the only part of the movie that left me ambivalent.

    That's what I meant by destabilizing: the message at the end that the resurrection is the start of a long drawn-out divinely-ordained bloody battle against other religions. If there's another way to interpret that ending, please enlighten me, I want my mind changed!

    Where can Mel Gibson go from here, after Apocalypto? Personally I can't wait to see what other culture he'll expose us to. Maybe he can do his own version of 10 000 BC that's not laughable. Maybe he can bring us firsthand exposure to the Bubonic Plague?


    All the ending is about is him rising from the did. The music gives a great, majestic, holy, amazing feel. Not going to war. All Jesus did after that is go reveal himself to tons of people just proving he was the son of God. In no way does it promote war. Jesus doesn't walk off screen, then go rambo on the romans. haha

    Christodoulides wrote
    omaha wrote

    What parts do you feel were exaggerated? I don't think antisemitism was found anywhere. The Jews wanted Jesus killed. If I was in that crowd that day, I would have wanted the same thing.
    Many Jews thought they were being blamed. Yes, they played a role, but it was meant to be. At least in my beliefs.


    Neither do i. I am talking about the visual aspect of the film although i strongly believe it is realistic.


    Ah, gotcha mate.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    It's a good film to watch if just to understand what else was going on during the life of Brian.
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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Steven wrote
    It's a good film to watch if just to understand what else was going on during the life of Brian.


    haha
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    biggrin
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Vladimir: You can't go barefoot!
    Estragon: Why not? Christ went barefoot.
    Vladimir: What's that got to do with Christ? You are not going to compare yourself to Christ!
    Estragon: All my life I've compared myself to Him.
    Vladimir: But where He lived it was warm, it was dry!
    Estragon: Yes, and they crucified quick.
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
  4. HeeroJF wrote
    Ralph Kruhm wrote
    And those drums are certainly not about war or anything similar.

    Can you explain them better?

    The drums drive away all doubt. They are about a man whose purpose is fulfilled, who followed his destiny although it meant the incomprehensible. The Resurrection completes the picture. This is Jesus, Son of God. Time for drums. biggrin
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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Haha, time for drums. I LOVE it!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Steven wrote
    It's a good film to watch if just to understand what else was going on during the life of Brian.


    Again, this is the kind of comment that makes me want to view it! biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorRian
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Just watched Gattaca and I was totally blown away by it. Great story, well acting and immensely beautiful music. Not really soundtrack material that I'd put up every week, but soooo pretty. smile It made me smile like a baby.
    What do you hear? Nothing but the rain...
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Rian wrote
    Just watched Gattaca and I was totally blown away by it. Great story, well acting and immensely beautiful music. Not really soundtrack material that I'd put up every week, but soooo pretty. smile It made me smile like a baby.


    Yeap, excellent. And the score's beauty is phenomenal.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorAnthony
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008 edited
    Casino Royale (2006) (again)

    There's one line that's going to set the stage for the entire sequel:

    "Money's not as important to our organisation as knowing who to trust."
    -Mr White

    Bring on the weekend!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Hell yes. I can't wait to see it because 1) it's the new Bond film and 2) it has Olga Kurylenko in it.

    Giggedy.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    Giggedy giggedy goo i agree.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2008
    shocked

    You do!? Wow... wait there, I need to go change my opinion of you.

    cheesy