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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Which begs the question: are there any Kubrick films you still haven't seen? If so, go watch them NOW!
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
    Start with "The Killing" (if you haven´t watched it yet). One of my all time favourite movies. I watched it as a kid and was impressed. One of the films that turned me into the film geek that I am.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    As far as Kubrick is concerned, I have to admit that the only film of his I really like is Barry Lyndon, due to it's outstanding photography and deliberate, languid pacing.

    Oh, nnd the Handel-based main theme isn't bad either. smile
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
    I know you're not a fan of the lengthy (and frankly pretentious) drug-induced shots in the latter part of A Space Odyssey, but what about Full Metal Jacket? The Shining? Spartacus!?
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      CommentAuthorkeky
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Spartacus is the only Kubrick movie I like.
  1. Steven wrote
    I know you're not a fan of the lengthy (and frankly pretentious) ...[/i]


    I might be talking to the wrong person here (and I'd never try to persuade him anyway!), but do you really think it's pretentious? Why? Because it's long?
    It seems like the ideas of that film are rich enough that it could have been a great deal more esoteric, and even then it would not have deserved the label 'pretentious'. Pretentious is when you haven't got anything to back up the air of importance you put on. The intercutting of those images with Dave's expanding close up is great cinema, and it actually means something.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
    It's the only part of the movie that I don't like, I hasten to add. I think it's a true classic, but those LSD induced shots at the end of the movie drag on far too long for my liking. That's the only thing I don't like about that scene; its length. The intercutting of the close up on Dave's face is brilliant, but after that I always feel like I can get up and go make a cup of tea and not miss much when I get back. Which is usually what I do.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Although perhaps 'pretentious' is a little harsh.
  2. I do love the swoops over the planet though...
    I wonder if he cut it down after the initial release? I know some of the space ship slow moving scenes and a couple of ape scenes were pared back after the first showings. Maybe the LSD stuff was initially longer too. (And actually, one of the best edits in the film, the moment where the ape reflects on the alignment of the moon, sun and monolith, came after the premiere too.)
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    The intercutting of those images with Dave's expanding close up is great cinema


    Why?

    and it actually means something.


    What?
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
  3. Martijn wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    The intercutting of those images with Dave's expanding close up is great cinema


    Why?


    Because you don't get it. biggrin


    and it actually means something.


    What?


    That I'm more likely to take over the world than you. tongue
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Steven wrote
    The intercutting of the close up on Dave's face is brilliant, but after that I always feel like I can get up and go make a cup of tea and not miss much when I get back.


    You can actually switch if off right after HAL's memory loss and not miss much...

    I generally just tune it for that middle part. It's the voyage part that really sets it apart as a trail-blazing classic.
    The rest at best is horribly dated as far as pacing and narrative are concerned , at worst incredibly self-important and self-indulgent.
    Not to mention interminable.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    biggrin

    Fair enough. What about The Shining?
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    Because you don't get it. biggrin


    Hark! The movie critic's dying bellow! wink
    Lasst es uns beenden. Es ist einfacher für dich, viel einfacher. Du wirst sehen, es ist gleich vorbei. Shhhh...shhhh...

    That I'm more likely to take over the world than you. tongue


    I dunno if that is in the stars. I'm pretty amazed you are able to actually access the internet these days.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Steven wrote
    Fair enough. What about The Shining?


    Apart from the nightmarish images and editing, I never actually got this movie ("why is he doing that?" "Why is he SAYING that?" "Who ARE those people?" "Where is my PORT????") until I actually read the book...
    That alone pretty much sunk the film for me.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Does the book differ greatly from the film Martijn? The Shining is the only one of his early books I haven't read.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
    Well no, not at all! And there's the rub: the film is in fact extremely faithful to the book, but omits a LOT of key information that in the film we are supposed to get by subtle inference.

    The thing is though that King at his best doesn't DO inference: he weaves a VERY complete tapestry, the full horror of which only becomes suggested when it's roughly 75% done. You can't take a narrative like that, leave open huge holes simply because they're really hard to film (interior monologue and such) and skip to the next chapter! It all becomes way too stream-of-consiousness kinda storytelling then!

    Had I seen the film AFTER I'd read the book I'd likely have loved it!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    I insist, "The Killing" (1956).
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
    Martijn wrote
    Steven wrote
    Fair enough. What about The Shining?


    Apart from the nightmarish images and editing, I never actually got this movie ("why is he doing that?" "Why is he SAYING that?" "Who ARE those people?" "Where is my PORT????") until I actually read the book...
    That alone pretty much sunk the film for me.


    Those questions never occurred to me to be honest. A guy goes insane in a large haunted mansion and attempts to kill his family. You might as well ask why is the house haunted?
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
    As is made very clear in the book in a way that is WAY more satisfying then -like I said- Kubrick's more stream-of-consciousness storytelling. If you *like* that sorta thing, fine.
    But I don't.
    I'm not just along for the ride. I want to know where we started and where we'll end up.

    EDIT: that's not entirely true. I don't necessarily like everything explained. Quite the contrary.
    However, I won't accept a story losing its own internal sense of logic or structure.
    Things have to make sense (in the context of the setting/story).
    Something "just happening"because it looks cool, helps the story along or is a helpful solution for a conundrum never ceases to annoy me.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    As far as Kubrick is concerned, I have to admit that the only film of his I really like is Barry Lyndon, due to it's outstanding photography and deliberate, languid pacing.

    Oh, nnd the Handel-based main theme isn't bad either. smile


    Are you serious? The only film?

    In every aspect, every film he made is brilliant.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    franz_conrad wrote
    I do love the swoops over the planet though...
    I wonder if he cut it down after the initial release? I know some of the space ship slow moving scenes and a couple of ape scenes were pared back after the first showings. Maybe the LSD stuff was initially longer too. (And actually, one of the best edits in the film, the moment where the ape reflects on the alignment of the moon, sun and monolith, came after the premiere too.)


    As far as i am concerned, every single frame in that movie has phenomenal meaning. I'd not change a thing.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Are you serious? The only film?


    It's the only thing he did that really, really blew me away and that I could watch every month or so without getting bored. It is simply beautiful on every level.

    But I'd be too harsh if I'd say it's the only thing that I found good.
    Dr. Strangelove, Lolita and A Clockword Orange all much impressed me in many ways.

    But to my mind it's only Barry Lyndon where both his trademark social commentary (ofttimes expressed through the bitterest form of irony, in itself a dangerous style element as it requires distance to the subject which diminishes emotional attachment) mixes seemlessly with a seamless, continuously intriguing and extremely human narrative, emotional resonance AND visual beauty.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Martijn wrote
    But to my mind it's only Barry Lyndon where both his trademark social commentary (ofttimes expressed through the bitterest form of irony, in itself a dangerous style element as it requires distance to the subject which diminishes emotional attachment) mixes seemlessly with a seamless, continuously intriguing and extremely human narrative, emotional resonance AND visual beauty.


    Which is like totally mega awesome.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Yeah. I'm kinda hoping for a review by Thomas.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010
    Nothing spells out better in the effective compartment than a review by Thomas!
  4. Martijn wrote
    Yeah. I'm kinda hoping for a review by Thomas.


    what, where, who, why???
    waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh
  5. Martijn wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Because you don't get it. biggrin


    Hark! The movie critic's dying bellow! wink
    Lasst es uns beenden. Es ist einfacher für dich, viel einfacher. Du wirst sehen, es ist gleich vorbei. Shhhh...shhhh...

    That I'm more likely to take over the world than you. tongue


    I dunno if that is in the stars. I'm pretty amazed you are able to actually access the internet these days.


    Ouch, and point to you sir. beer
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorBobdH
    • CommentTimeJan 25th 2010 edited
    Steven wrote
    Martijn wrote
    But to my mind it's only Barry Lyndon where both his trademark social commentary (ofttimes expressed through the bitterest form of irony, in itself a dangerous style element as it requires distance to the subject which diminishes emotional attachment) mixes seemlessly with a seamless, continuously intriguing and extremely human narrative, emotional resonance AND visual beauty.


    Which is like totally mega awesome.


    Woohoo! Barry Lyndon rocks, indeed!

    This is weird, though. Just last week I bought the Kubrick BluRay box (for the extra's, and the different aspect ratio) and watched several documentaries of it on Sunday, meanwhile reading my A.I.: From Kubrick to Spielberg book. So I felt in an incredibly Kubrick mood, and coincidentally a colleague, who had borrowed Barry Lyndon a year ago from me, suddenly returned it today. And THEN I found out you guys were talking about him as well!

    My God, so it's true. The world does revolve around me!
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      CommentAuthorBhelPuri
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2010
    I've stopped Netflix due to paper deadlines and a hectic schedule. But I did manage to see a film last night...

    Irreversible
    Interesting film that plays out in reverse order much like Memento. The content is very disturbing with a brutal, violent scene and a prolonged rape scene that are really tough to bear. The opening 30 minutes or so were very disorienting due to the camera, lighting and sound. If not for the reverse order there's not much interesting in this film.