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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014 edited
    For symphonic scores, I've never really put any extra weight on original recordings. In fact, there could be any number of factors hindering the original recording to be what it should (Steiner's KING KONG comes to mind). What matters is the score sheets themselves. From that, any orchestra is free to interpret them as they wish -- just like with classical music. The music lives and breathes on its own.
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  1. ^ I agree. But this re-recording is the exception. It's a phenomenal!

    Today in the mail and now playing:

    Les Incontournables Vol. 1-3 - Vladimir Cosma

    A collection of tunes and songs by the French composer. Most of it is easy listening, but man, has Cosma written some beautiful melodies!

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    Captain Future wrote
    ^ I agree. But this re-recording is the exception. It's a phenomenal!

    Today in the mail and now playing:

    Les Incontournables Vol. 1-3 - Vladimir Cosma

    A collection of tunes and songs by the French composer. Most of it is easy listening, but man, has Cosma written some beautiful melodies!

    Volker


    Not only beautiful, but some of them are so insanely catchy that they'll stay in your mind for days and weeks on end.
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  2. In orchestral re-recordings I appreceate divergent interpretations. In a way it's not film music any more when recorded independently. Often, re-recordings are a bit slower than the originals. That makes the symphonic textures more transparent. I like that. Imagine we had recordings of Beethoven conducting his own music. Would conductors forever have to try to imitate those recordings? Great music is open to many interpretations.

    Volker
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    Captain Future wrote
    In orchestral re-recordings I appreceate divergent interpretations. In a way it's not film music any more when recorded independently. Often, re-recordings are a bit slower than the originals. That makes the symphonic textures more transparent. I like that. Imagine we had recordings of Beethoven conducting his own music. Would conductors forever have to try to imitate those recordings? Great music is open to many interpretations.

    Volker


    I'm pleased that you agree with me on this, but I'm a bit surprised, seeing as we have so fundamentally different reasons for listening to soundtracks in the first place.
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  3. Thor wrote
    For symphonic scores, I've never really put any extra weight on original recordings. In fact, there could be any number of factors hindering the original recording to be what it should (Steiner's KING KONG comes to mind). What matters is the score sheets themselves. From that, any orchestra is free to interpret them as they wish -- just like with classical music. The music lives and breathes on its own.

    From my own perspective, I put great weight on the fact that an album is the original soundtrack recording.

    Yes, limitations such as poor sound quality (Thor, you cite Steiner's King Kong as an example. For me, it's Steiner's She: the BY/FMA OST release for this does such a poor service at highlighting Steiner's music (rectified by TFC's wonderful re-recording) and poor orchestra playing do affect the listening experience. But this negative is offset partly by the fact that this is what the original filmmakers had to work with.

    Re-recordings are examples of how the music "lives and breathes on its own" but are removed from what was created for the OST. The OSTs also live and breathe on their own too.

    Whilst writing this I'm thinking of all the various versions of several Herrmann scores there are around. Yes, I prefer the OSTs in the majority of cases. But there are re-recordings that are almost up there with the OSTs - and these tend to be the scores that are as like the OSTs as possible. The 4 different versions of Psycho I have each have their own merits, but the OST tracks are the one I tend to return to most often. Yes, the sound quality may be the worst of the 4 versions I have, but the sound doesn't make them unlistenable. And it reflects the age of the source material and the limited technology available to the filmmakers. The Elfman/Bartek version for the 1998 remake is a favourite because it is the closest to the original there is - and the sound is great. The 1975 Unicorn-Kanchana release of the music (conducted by Herrmann himself) is very different from the OST. But this is an interpretation of the score by the composer for an environment away from the film - and therefore he changes a lot of the tempo. Liking this one too may go against what I may have said earlier about my like/dislike of re-recordings but in this case it's what I originally came to on record and it's the composer's own version of the OST.

    I admit, I have a very complicated like/dislike state with film music - but I know what I mean! wink
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  4. NP: HH, Hitler à Hollywood - Vladimir Cosma

    A nice, relatively recent, score from Cosma. Orchestral in style with European influences, the score's for a thriller mockumentary about Hollywood's negativity towards the European film industry.
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  5. Thor wrote
    Captain Future wrote
    In orchestral re-recordings I appreceate divergent interpretations. In a way it's not film music any more when recorded independently. Often, re-recordings are a bit slower than the originals. That makes the symphonic textures more transparent. I like that. Imagine we had recordings of Beethoven conducting his own music. Would conductors forever have to try to imitate those recordings? Great music is open to many interpretations.

    Volker


    I'm pleased that you agree with me on this, but I'm a bit surprised, seeing as we have so fundamentally different reasons for listening to soundtracks in the first place.


    Indeed. My "reliving the film" concept works best with C&C presentations of the original recording. Re-recordings are another matter altogether. I appreaceate those albums as philharmonic concept albums, just as you do.
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
  6. Speaking of symphonic concept albums:

    NP: The Star Wars Trilogy (1999) - John Williams
    Utha Symphony Orchestra; Varujan Kojian on Varese Sarabande

    This album must have been in my collection for 20 years now. Brilliant! Wonderfully atmospheric!
    Bach's music is vibrant and inspired.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014 edited
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Thor wrote
    For symphonic scores, I've never really put any extra weight on original recordings. In fact, there could be any number of factors hindering the original recording to be what it should (Steiner's KING KONG comes to mind). What matters is the score sheets themselves. From that, any orchestra is free to interpret them as they wish -- just like with classical music. The music lives and breathes on its own.

    From my own perspective, I put great weight on the fact that an album is the original soundtrack recording.

    Yes, limitations such as poor sound quality (Thor, you cite Steiner's King Kong as an example. For me, it's Steiner's She: the BY/FMA OST release for this does such a poor service at highlighting Steiner's music (rectified by TFC's wonderful re-recording) and poor orchestra playing do affect the listening experience. But this negative is offset partly by the fact that this is what the original filmmakers had to work with.


    Yes, I can see how that is important when the film plays a part in one's enjoyment of soundtracks -- the original "source" of the thing. This is where I depart from most people, though, since neither film nor questions of 'original source' play any role in my appreciation of soundtracks.

    Except for certain electronic scores, of course, but in that case it's less the case of the film and more a case of the sound elements being so idiosyncratic in the first place.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire - Joel McNeely

    Hopefully the big man himself is able to score all of the new trilogy but I don't suppose he will do the ancillary films which are apparently coming in between. I wonder if, given McNeely's close relationship with Disney, he might get a shot at one of them. I hope so.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    I hope so too, but I doubt it.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    There's going to be ancillary films?
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014 edited
    Apparently. One Star Wars film a year, but only every three years for the three in the new trilogy.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    I'm so confused...
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      CommentAuthorScribe
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    I'm pretty sure it's now every two years for the trilogy films, so they will alternate between trilogy film and ancillary film each year.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    Steven wrote
    I'm so confused...


    me too! confused dizzy
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    Godzilla - A Desplat

    Loud, very dense, brilliantly orchestrated. Very good, if very dark.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2014
    Southall wrote
    Godzilla - A Desplat

    Loud, very dense, brilliantly orchestrated. Very good, if very dark.


    I like dark, particularly if it's done by a competent composer like Desplat.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  7. Southall wrote
    Godzilla - A Desplat

    Loud, very dense, brilliantly orchestrated. Very good, if very dark.

    Sounds exciting. I haven't been this enthused with a Desplat score since Zero Dark Thirty.
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    Marie Ward - Elmer Bernstein

    The recording is ordinary which is a tragedy as this is surely one of the greatest film scores of all time. Would love to hear a re-recording.
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    The Grifters - Elmer Bernstein

    Another superior work from the great man. Really need to spin this more often. All class.
    • CommentAuthorDavid OC
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    Hamlet - Ennio Morricone

    The first 12 cues are wonderful, the rest I'd be fine without. Especially good are the Hamlet and Ophelia themes, the 'King is Dead' piece - and one of the best damn 'Banquet' cues you'll ever hear! cheesy
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      CommentAuthorAtham
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    David OC wrote
    The Grifters - Elmer Bernstein

    Another superior work from the great man. Really need to spin this more often. All class.


    Too right! beer
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    David OC wrote
    Hamlet - Ennio Morricone

    The first 12 cues are wonderful, the rest I'd be fine without. Especially good are the Hamlet and Ophelia themes, the 'King is Dead' piece - and one of the best damn 'Banquet' cues you'll ever hear! cheesy


    I love all of it! love
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014 edited
    EMPIRE OF THE SUN | john williams

    Not because I'm amused but because I wanted to sing along at work. This does not seem to work in favour of my status around here in the big capital.

    Great score though!
    Kazoo
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    uhm If you wanted a sing-a-long surely any right minded individual would have opted for The Omen not Empire of The Sun.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    Bregt wrote
    EMPIRE OF THE SUN | john williams

    Not because I'm amused but because I wanted to sing along at work. This does not seem to work in favour of my status around here in the big capital.

    Great score though!


    Sing along? Do you mean "Exultate Justi"? Not the biggest karaoke classic, I would assume.
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2014
    I'm not sure what you mean with "not the biggest karaoke classic". It's a Disney like classic!

    Anyway, since I'm quite nervous ...

    KUIFJE | john williams

    Good stuff too!
    Kazoo