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- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014 edited
NP: Raise the Titanic - John Barry
Re-recording conducted by Nic Raine.
Superb: Score and recording!
Volker
Edit: This score kind of forms a trilogy with Out of Africa and Dances with Wolves.Bach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
PawelStroinski wrote
Steven wrote
Also I just googled Toprak. I was pleasantly surprised.
She's married with children
Married with a Greek
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Captain Future wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Sarah Class - Africa
Nice so far.
I find that score really enjoyable, too.
Volker
Excellent score, stick to it, has some great moments in it!Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014 edited
Steven wrote
Scribe wrote
I think women deserve to be elevated a bit higher than men at some point in the future. It's only fair. Historically speaking.
Perhaps people should be elevated for their actions, not their gender.
I too think nowadays work and character is what matters the most. Not Gender. Women are - thank God, everywhere in each job and each position, including very high spots in corporate etc, and are doing outstandingly well. In arts too, in photography there are some outstanding leading-industry women as well; but in others area they don't seem so interested or particularly good: paintings (art) for instance or what comes to mind: video and audio production. Also, in music composition, with very few exceptions, and for many many years, we aren't seeing great things; i don't think they get less chances than their male colleagues. We are long-past this point, at least in all Western cultures.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014 edited
Demetris wrote
Captain Future wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Sarah Class - Africa
Nice so far.
I find that score really enjoyable, too.
Volker
Excellent score, stick to it, has some great moments in it!
It's pleasant enough background music but I find it more and more forgettable every time I listen to it...shouldn't that be the other way around?
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- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Demetris wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Steven wrote
Also I just googled Toprak. I was pleasantly surprised.
She's married with children
Married with a Greek
Which itself defies divisions, doesn't it? She's Turkish
http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Demetris wrote
Steven wrote
Scribe wrote
I think women deserve to be elevated a bit higher than men at some point in the future. It's only fair. Historically speaking.
Perhaps people should be elevated for their actions, not their gender.
I too think nowadays work and character is what matters the most. Not Gender. Women are - thank God, everywhere in each job and each position, including very high spots in corporate etc, and are doing outstandingly well. In arts too, in photography there are some outstanding leading-industry women as well; but in others area they don't seem so interested or particularly good: paintings (art) for instance or what comes to mind: video and audio production. Also, in music composition, with very few exceptions, and for many many years, we aren't seeing great things; i don't think they get less chances than their male colleagues. We are long-past this point, at least in all Western cultures.
Really? Art? I would have guessed that area was pretty even keel in terms of gender. I've certainly seen no evidence that women are 'inferior' (for lack of a better word) to men when it comes to painting!
Also, I'm not so sure we are past the point of gender discrimination. Yes, there'll always be certain jobs that are generally better suited to a particular gender (lingerie shops on one end of the spectrum; oil rig workers on the other end, for example) and being overly politically correct is a waste of time. There'll always be things that, in general, men can do better than women and women can do better than men. But to be a composer requires no physical work or customer interaction, so ideally gender should play no role. I balk at the notion that women are somehow less talented than men for composing music, and there's plenty of proof that women are just as capable. So it stands to reason that the lack of females in film music is either due to a lack of interest, or a lack of opportunities (or both).
This is all conjecture on my part, but I just can't see any reason why women should be less capable of composing music for film than men? -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
PawelStroinski wrote
Demetris wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Steven wrote
Also I just googled Toprak. I was pleasantly surprised.
She's married with children
Married with a Greek
Which itself defies divisions, doesn't it? She's Turkish
Yeap, exactly
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Steven wrote
So it stands to reason that the lack of females in film music is either due to a lack of interest, or a lack of opportunities (or both).
This is all conjecture on my part, but I just can't see any reason why women should be less capable of composing music for film than men?
I am not suggesting reasons of less capability, certainly not mental or physical. I am just judging by the amount and quality of output in certain areas through the years; i haven't figured out why this happens, i am too trying to understand why. As for chances? I don't think Portman has been deprived of any chances throughout a very long and successful career, although her canvas proves somewhat limited throughout the years; but this of course applies to male colleagues too. But why aren't there more Portman's? This is a huge discussion, but genders do seem to play some role perhaps? Stuff like generally (and with exceptions of course) women seem to be inclined to different types of work and so do men? Also, i don't think gender discrimination in professions in modern Western cultures is anywhere near the awful numbers of the past; look around you in business, corporate, all fields, many capable women fill spots and many times - leading spots.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Most Hollywood films are made by white men. If there aren't many prominent female composers, there are even fewer non-white ones. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
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- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
So in about 10 years when I direct a groundbreaking video game project, for which I will need a lush symphonic score, maybe I will discriminate against all composers who are not Asian females. Bwahahaha!
I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorEdmund Meinerts
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Southall wrote
Most Hollywood films are made by white men. If there aren't many prominent female composers, there are even fewer non-white ones.
This is very true. I'm trying to think of some now...Terence Blanchard is practically the only one that comes to mind. Although there are quite a few well-known Spanish and Japanese composers...just not in Hollywood so much. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Demetris wrote
Steven wrote
So it stands to reason that the lack of females in film music is either due to a lack of interest, or a lack of opportunities (or both).
This is all conjecture on my part, but I just can't see any reason why women should be less capable of composing music for film than men?
I am not suggesting reasons of less capability, certainly not mental or physical. I am just judging by the amount and quality of output in certain areas through the years; i haven't figured out why this happens, i am too trying to understand why. As for chances? I don't think Portman has been deprived of any chances throughout a very long and successful career, although her canvas proves somewhat limited throughout the years; but this of course applies to male colleagues too. But why aren't there more Portman's? This is a huge discussion, but genders do seem to play some role perhaps? Stuff like generally (and with exceptions of course) women seem to be inclined to different types of work and so do men? Also, i don't think gender discrimination in professions in modern Western cultures is anywhere near the awful numbers of the past; look around you in business, corporate, all fields, many capable women fill spots and many times - leading spots.
Portman may be one of the exceptions, and of course there's bound to be at least a few successful women composers - but that doesn't exactly prove much given the rarity of these cases. Even if you're talented and hard working, when you consider the amount of luck you need in a single career alone, the odds are stacked against you from the outset. Portman may have had her chances and taken them, but I wonder how many other opportunities have been given to men over women?
As Southall pointed out, the movie industry is still a white man's game, so clearly being a female means it's even less likely to achieve success in that industry. Then again, perhaps it's also that women are, like you say, less inclined to pursue that type of career? I'd be very interested to get an insider's opinion on the matter!
Also, I certainly never suggested that gender discrimination is anywhere near as bad as it used to be, but there's obviously still a few kinks that need working out... I just hope the answer isn't political correctness.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Southall wrote
Stalingrad - Angelo Badalamenti
WOW!
Incredible score.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorCaptain Future
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
This turns into a John Barry day:
Previously playing: Dances with Wolves
NP: On Her Majesty's Secret Service
I have a number of Barry's Bond scores. To be honest I don't revisit them too often. The Living Daylights and OHMSS are the exceptions.
VolkerBach's music is vibrant and inspired. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014 edited
Steven wrote
Demetris wrote
Steven wrote
So it stands to reason that the lack of females in film music is either due to a lack of interest, or a lack of opportunities (or both).
This is all conjecture on my part, but I just can't see any reason why women should be less capable of composing music for film than men?
I am not suggesting reasons of less capability, certainly not mental or physical. I am just judging by the amount and quality of output in certain areas through the years; i haven't figured out why this happens, i am too trying to understand why. As for chances? I don't think Portman has been deprived of any chances throughout a very long and successful career, although her canvas proves somewhat limited throughout the years; but this of course applies to male colleagues too. But why aren't there more Portman's? This is a huge discussion, but genders do seem to play some role perhaps? Stuff like generally (and with exceptions of course) women seem to be inclined to different types of work and so do men? Also, i don't think gender discrimination in professions in modern Western cultures is anywhere near the awful numbers of the past; look around you in business, corporate, all fields, many capable women fill spots and many times - leading spots.
Portman may be one of the exceptions, and of course there's bound to be at least a few successful women composers - but that doesn't exactly prove much given the rarity of these cases. Even if you're talented and hard working, when you consider the amount of luck you need in a single career alone, the odds are stacked against you from the outset. Portman may have had her chances and taken them, but I wonder how many other opportunities have been given to men over women?
As Southall pointed out, the movie industry is still a white man's game, so clearly being a female means it's even less likely to achieve success in that industry. Then again, perhaps it's also that women are, like you say, less inclined to pursue that type of career? I'd be very interested to get an insider's opinion on the matter!
Also, I certainly never suggested that gender discrimination is anywhere near as bad as it used to be, but there's obviously still a few kinks that need working out... I just hope the answer isn't political correctness.
No pc bullshit from me. And frankly, on this non-pc bullshit basis, i don't think that women are given less a chance in the modern western culture, at all.
I am guessing that the reason might be somewhere else? i.e. perhaps most women like creative and clever, smart works, not so much the technical stuff; composition is technical to a huge degree. Especially nowadays. Maybe the fact that most female composers tend towards the piano and strings (the most emotional and less technical-to-write-for-and-arrange instruments) tells us something? As for my field, there's a ton of very successful female photographers around the world and especially the US but not any similar output in video production, montage and editing for instance. Makes me think.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Edmund Meinerts wrote
Southall wrote
Most Hollywood films are made by white men. If there aren't many prominent female composers, there are even fewer non-white ones.
This is very true. I'm trying to think of some now...Terence Blanchard is practically the only one that comes to mind. Although there are quite a few well-known Spanish and Japanese composers...just not in Hollywood so much.
Quincy Jones is the obvious one that comes to mind but he's gone on to far greater success outside the world of film scores. Jazz bass legend Stanley Clarke does the occasional film score.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Demetris wrote
Captain Future wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Sarah Class - Africa
Nice so far.
I find that score really enjoyable, too.
Volker
Excellent score, stick to it, has some great moments in it!
It's good but it's nowhere near as good as Christopher Gunning's WILD AFRICA.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Captain Future wrote
This turns into a John Barry day:
Previously playing: Dances with Wolves
NP: On Her Majesty's Secret Service
I have a number of Barry's Bond scores. To be honest I don't revisit them too often. The Living Daylights and OHMSS are the exceptions.
Volker
What utterly fantastic taste you are displaying today sir
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Southall wrote
Stalingrad - Angelo Badalamenti
WOW!
This is for the recent Russian film right?
I want to see the film and hear the score.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
It's coming out soon via MovieScore Media, it's absolutely beautiful and completely orchestral.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Timmer wrote
Demetris wrote
Captain Future wrote
PawelStroinski wrote
Sarah Class - Africa
Nice so far.
I find that score really enjoyable, too.
Volker
Excellent score, stick to it, has some great moments in it!
It's good but it's nowhere near as good as Christopher Gunning's WILD AFRICA.
I think they're both very good. Gunning's has a bit more temp-track bleedthrough though! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Stalingrad - Angelo Badalamenti
WOW!
This is for the recent Russian film right?
I want to see the film and hear the score.
The film looks hilariously bad!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014 edited
Erik Woods wrote
Timmer wrote
Southall wrote
Stalingrad - Angelo Badalamenti
WOW!
This is for the recent Russian film right?
I want to see the film and hear the score.
The film looks hilariously bad!
-Erik-
Oh dear! I just watched the trailer and it looks like you could be right. A shame because such a momentous event deserves better.
( mind you, if it's "hilariously bad" as in BRAVEHEART hilariously bad then it could be "good"
)On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Demetris wrote
Steven wrote
Demetris wrote
Steven wrote
So it stands to reason that the lack of females in film music is either due to a lack of interest, or a lack of opportunities (or both).
This is all conjecture on my part, but I just can't see any reason why women should be less capable of composing music for film than men?
I am not suggesting reasons of less capability, certainly not mental or physical. I am just judging by the amount and quality of output in certain areas through the years; i haven't figured out why this happens, i am too trying to understand why. As for chances? I don't think Portman has been deprived of any chances throughout a very long and successful career, although her canvas proves somewhat limited throughout the years; but this of course applies to male colleagues too. But why aren't there more Portman's? This is a huge discussion, but genders do seem to play some role perhaps? Stuff like generally (and with exceptions of course) women seem to be inclined to different types of work and so do men? Also, i don't think gender discrimination in professions in modern Western cultures is anywhere near the awful numbers of the past; look around you in business, corporate, all fields, many capable women fill spots and many times - leading spots.
Portman may be one of the exceptions, and of course there's bound to be at least a few successful women composers - but that doesn't exactly prove much given the rarity of these cases. Even if you're talented and hard working, when you consider the amount of luck you need in a single career alone, the odds are stacked against you from the outset. Portman may have had her chances and taken them, but I wonder how many other opportunities have been given to men over women?
As Southall pointed out, the movie industry is still a white man's game, so clearly being a female means it's even less likely to achieve success in that industry. Then again, perhaps it's also that women are, like you say, less inclined to pursue that type of career? I'd be very interested to get an insider's opinion on the matter!
Also, I certainly never suggested that gender discrimination is anywhere near as bad as it used to be, but there's obviously still a few kinks that need working out... I just hope the answer isn't political correctness.
No pc bullshit from me. And frankly, on this non-pc bullshit basis, i don't think that women are given less a chance in the modern western culture, at all.
I am guessing that the reason might be somewhere else? i.e. perhaps most women like creative and clever, smart works, not so much the technical stuff; composition is technical to a huge degree. Especially nowadays. Maybe the fact that most female composers tend towards the piano and strings (the most emotional and less technical-to-write-for-and-arrange instruments) tells us something? As for my field, there's a ton of very successful female photographers around the world and especially the US but not any similar output in video production, montage and editing for instance. Makes me think.
When he did Robocop, Paul Verhoeven pointed out that it was the first time ever he worked with a male editor. He said that Europe is much more prone (or at least Netherlands) to hire women, or at least it was at his time. One of Polish most acclaimed cinematographers is a woman.
Hollywood is largely a white man game, it doesn't, however, mean that it is so in every country. It has to be also pointed out that there is also a racial bias, for sure. Something Pinar pointed out in the Rabin statement discussion, mentioning not many black composers working and so on.
She got particularly pissed off partly because she already knew that she got that disaster movie assignment, purely based on the demo she delivered.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Demetris wrote
It's coming out soon via MovieScore Media, it's absolutely beautiful and completely orchestral.
Badalamenti is a great talent and I can always find time to listen to a new score of his. James WOW! has me very intrigued and wanting to hear it.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014 edited
Demetris wrote
As for my field, there's a ton of very successful female photographers around the world and especially the US but not any similar output in video production, montage and editing for instance. Makes me think.
Makes you think what exactly?
It makes me think that they are simply not given the opportunities to succeed. Or the inspiration to succeed. Most people want to "be like" someone, have a role model to follow, so it's always harder to break into a field where there is no one else "like" you already succeeding there.
My favorite erotic video company's content is conceptualized, filmed, produced and edited almost 100% by females. It's also by far the greatest, most artistic, AND most arousing erotica in the world, in my opinion. Their work is so beautiful I can enjoy it on a purely artistic basis even when I have no sexual desire to attach to it whatsoever. It puts all the male-produced porn out there to pitiful, begging, crying shame. So I hope you're not trying to say that women aren't part of the video production business because they wouldn't be as good at it, or wouldn't want to. In my opinion, they would mostly probably be better. More talented. At the very least, they would bring new ideas to the table. Opportunity and role models are all they lack.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Demetris wrote
No pc bullshit from me. And frankly, on this non-pc bullshit basis, i don't think that women are given less a chance in the modern western culture, at all.
Well, no, I wouldn't expect an pc bullshit from you.
Just to make it clear (as I fear there may be some confusion), I'm not suggesting that women are oppressed in the industry, but that it's simply biased. Clearly something is up since there just aren't many female composers relative to male ones, and I see no logical reason why that should be true. And I'm not saying that people in the industry necessarily ignore women and seek to hire men, but that there's probably still a degree of bias towards men over women, thus opportunities are harder to come by for women in a very broad sense.
Anyway. I was just curious why there aren't many female composers... I certainly didn't mean for it to turn into a political statement.
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- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 11th 2014
Scribe wrote
In my opinion, they would mostly probably be better. More talented. At the very least, they would bring new ideas to the table. Opportunity and role models are all they lack.
Surely being a talented video editor is solely dependent on whether you're a talented video editor?
