I could not live without... CLASSICAL MUSIC

I never said that it is abnormal for people to enjoy the songs more than the score. I know everyone has different tastes and I respect that. What I said was that I dislike it when some people call the score tracks a waste of space and rubbish etc. I mean they should know there are actually people who actually buy albums just for score and respect that. I don't have anything against them, I just dislike it, it's just my opinion.

As for Lion King, I love the songs as much as you do, believe me! I especially love Circle of Life and Can You Feel The Love Tonight both film and Elton John versions. But I'm furious because four (five if you count the "Hyenas" track on some foreign versions) heavily edited tracks of this beautiful score on OST isn't the way to go and it's a shame that the real fans of this score have to resort to listening to an illegal bootleg with crappy quality and half the tracks in mono. There exists an academy promo and recording sessions with good quality but it's easier to find a living dodo than come across them, and the few people who have them don't help. So why is this disparity among fans? Doesn't each fan have a right to listen to his or her favourite music? But again this is because in the mainstream music all the desirable stuff is mostly commercially released and fans don't have to strive that hard to find their favourite stuff. And you know how the situation is in the film score world!

I'm sorry for ranting about The Lion King score so much but I have a nostalgic attachment for this score and I love it so much that, weird it may seem, I can go on listening to it only for the rest of my time and not get bored, and so I really want to get a real complete version of it. Oh well, we all have our own obssessions, don't we?

I agree with you, man! As far as Lion King is concerned, I think they didn't release more score on the original official CD because back then Hans Zimmer was a new composer for Disney and so they were careful. But after it went on to sweep both its well deserved Oscar and Golden Globes and was a success, Hans' career shot up significantly. So why didn't Disney release an extended score when they had a golden opportunity with the Platinum special edition soundtrack in 2003?

That is because, as they say, when they need to do an extended score, it takes "millions of dollars" for each cue because they have to pay every single musician, recording artist, engineer, conductor etc for EVERY INDIVIDUAL CUE and a score release doesn't fetch them enough money back, so they'll go bankrupt, become peasants, live on grass, wash windows, blah blah etc. You know Disney Records' policy - produce stuff that can convince people to part with their wallet contents. So they go for stuff from which they can get maximum profit - you see how much preference they give to stuff like High School Musical and as far as original scores are concerned, they've got a "Just get done with the darn thing quickly" attitude. See for yourself, Lion King isn't the only score which has been treated this way by them.

Then, tell me, are record labels like Reprise which took YEARS to sweat on making the Lord of The Rings Complete Recordings perfect and spent millions of dollars on its release, lunatics?? I'd like to point out here, sir, that the Complete Recordings sold out like hot cakes in the first week and in case of RoTK there was (and is) actually shortage of the copies!! So what have these people got to lose by doing a small limited edition extended release? They just want to take a peek into the future and see that they're doing a Scrooge McDuck dive into a money bin before doing a release. Otherwise, hasta la vista.

And IMO Lion King is very much, if not equally, as powerful as LoTR. If GREAT scores of FLOP movies like Godzilla can have a release, why not TERRIFIC scores of AWESOME movies like Lion King? That's why I am supporting the petition for the complete release of Lion King (link in my sig) and despite discouragement pouring in from all sides I will do everything I can to help it gain success till the end!

ah, franz... then I have a great one for yah! One that could kick some ass!!

Is filmmusic equal in quality than a classical composition? For instance; Composer John Williams discribed what he did for Star Wars per episode similar in quantity than a Mahler Symphony. But can filmmusic EVER be takin' as seriously as a classical concert work?

grtz, Jojo

Yeah, franz_conrad is right; this thread has started to drift off topic. I'll go see if there is another thread for film music, but in the meantime, let's apply what we've been talking about to classical music; what do you guys think it is that keeps most people nowadays from liking and purchasing classical music? I don't see how so many can neglect an art form that has been around for centuries and has withstood the test of time. Most people seem to think it's boring... In what way? Because there's often no lead singer (and if there is, they're often not singing in English ) or guitar are drum set? Why are these supposed 'necessities' to popular music lovers? Why isn't classical music known as 'popular' music?



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Simple, it's not in modern culture, it's not in schools (at least not here), it's not on tv, it's absent from everything the younger generation lives in. Lucky more and more they at least to try to bring it closer by popularising clasical music radio, which on the other hand creates tension with the classical music fans (and snobs) for making the radio station too light.

Sigh.

At a student job 2 years ago I worked together with a fellow who couldn't understand that I listened to music with orchestra and instruments. "That's something for old people" he said. So he listened to modern music, because that's for the young people, like techno and trance.

I guess a lot of it is misunderstanding, the snobbism around it and obviously the unpopularity and general lack of interest everywhere. The worst thing is that they now remix popular classical music tunes in hiphop, rap, crap, slutmusic and others. I puked when I heard The Nutcracka by Lunaman (Belgian band or so) at a party some months ago. Probably nobody in the room knew it was composed by a certain T.

But why? Why isn't it in modern culture? Why isn't it in schools? Why isn't it on TV? That's what it all really boils down to. The whole culture seems to be erasing it, and then we get these scientists and news reporters who come on TV and say, 'Classical music makes kids smart.' Um... well, that's great, but how are the kids ever going to listen to it when our world presents it as not in style and as only "something for old people?"



I know what you mean. It stinks when popular artists try to remix classical works. I've seen (or should I say heard) that done many times on TV, and it really sickens me.

Ew! Yuck!

Yeah! Is it just me, or are Beethoven's Ode to Joy and Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker the two most remixed classical pieces out there?

To be true, I haven't listened to that one. But I can tell almost all of these sound awful without listening!

there's a flipside of the coin as well... How awfull these remixes truely are, they do reach a huge amount of youngsters with something that was initially classical intended. And just now and then someone will step up and try to find out who wrote the damn thing.

I remember i heard a drum & bass remix of Shostakovich's symphony n 8. I knew Shostakovich, but not this one. so I went out and searched for it. Of course I know that some people will believe that some stupid DJ came up with that tune... well, there are dumb people EVERYWHERE. let's blame them!

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Yeap! RC & MV are right at the forefront!

We had some talk about calssical music lately on the Now Playing non film music thread. So I thought there should be a thread for classical music here on this board. Well, what do you know ... Timmer opend one some ages ago. Seem like no one posted here for six years though, so about time to give things another go.

In the mail today:
The Beethoven Symphonies cycle by Claudio Abbado and the Berlin Philharmonics on DG Eloquence.

Also in the mail (film music):
LLL's "Matrix Revolutions" and
Tadlow's "The Private Live of Sherlock Holmes".

A lot of ear candy!

Volker

Of course! You have been the last contributor six years ago. I muddled that up.