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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
Bregje is right. Not having a deadline is always difficult as you don't feel anyone actually urging and pushing you to do it, especially if you're not much into studying and all, but postponing it is the worst thing you can do. The beginning alone is actually 50% of the whole competition. Once you start working on it, it goes smoothly and fast.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
And to think the original Mercury Living Presence series of albums were recorded with one mic.listen to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
sdtom wrote
And to think the original Mercury Living Presence series of albums were recorded with one mic.
And sounded good from what I remember? Wasn't VERTIGO released on this label?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
I was just checking on that too! It certainly came out on the Mercury label but this may have been another arm of the Mercury label?The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008 edited
And wasn't the "Hanson Plays Hanson" CD that featured Howard Hanson's piece that featured in Alien on the Mercury Living Presence label? That sounded fine also.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
Early 50'slisten to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
A mono tube amp and a sweet sixteen speaker system+two tweeters will produce a wonderful sound. Perhaps this is the way to listen to true mono recordings. Demetris can explain about how mono can work as well as stereo given the correct set of circumstances.listen to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
sdtom wrote
...Demetris can explain about how mono can work as well as stereo given the correct set of circumstances.
I'd like to see him try!
The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 29th 2008
Who said that the current systems don't work? But until you experience what the new technologies are bringing around the corner, you don't really have something to compare, do you?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
The theory behind the mono one microphone set-up is like sitting in the middle of the first row in the balcony. What the symphony is playing is what you hear with your ears. The recording duplicates this. We don't hear in stereo.
Thomaslisten to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
I never said that the current system doesn't work. I merely point out the possible advantage of listening to a 55 year old mono recording on the technology of the time.listen to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthormarkrayen
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
At a seminar about film sound I attended in September, an experienced sound designer explained why he still thought using mono technology was the best way to work. I can't remember his arguments (as I'm a complete n00b when it comes to these things), but they sounded very convincing at the time...
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- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
It is the way your ears work. You hear the symphony as you would at a live concert. They don't use 30 microphones and mixers.
Thomaslisten to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008 edited
Excuse me for being rude but how do you know that? I am a working sound engineer and last November we used 48 microphones just to do a standard (if financials allowed it, we'd use even more) recording for a commercial CD with this orchestra here http://tsso.gr/.
What you say about a small number of mics is completely false;
Basic rule of psychoacoustics: What you hear is ALWAYS a combination of the direct sound and the reverberant sound coming from all the possible directions around you, above, behind and below you, from 360 degrees. The greater the number of microphones used for the recording and speakers for reproduction, the more coherent the reproduced sound field will be, with greater depth and in some cases, more realism.
At home, what you hear from your stereo hi-fi system or headphones is a mixing of all those signals in 2 channels (stereo), 1 channel (mono) or more than 2 if it's a surround recording that's going to be reproduced in a large number of speakers except if it is a VERY old recording which was recorded with a very few number of microphones. For many years now, the signals that feed the speakers come from a large numbers of microphones which are located in such ways as to capture as much amount as possible of the direct and reverberant sound.
But truly, it's a huge subject matter to explain in any online forum and without the other party knowing some of the basic rules of psychoacoustics. If you want to read further on the subject matter, pm and i can tell you a book or two that will help you get the big picture behind this.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
Can you suggest a book to me too? I need to learn this stuff for my course.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008 edited
That is an amazing book, i have it and it's really well-written. Plus the author is one of the most well-known in the field: EVEREST, Alton, F., Master Handbook of Acoustics, Fourth edition, McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc., USA, 2001
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Handbook-A … pd_sim_b_1
This is pretty popular but i haven't read it personally: Acoustics and Psychoacoustics, Third Edition
[FP387] David Howard, Jamie Angus - http://musicbooksplus.com/acoustics-psy … -7103.html
BALLOU, Glen, Ed., Handbook for Sound Engineers, The New Audio Encyclopedia, Howard W.Sams & Co., A division of Macmilan, Inc., USA, 1987
TALBOT-SMITH, Michael, Audio Engineer’s Reference book, Reed Educational and Professional Publishing Ltd, 1999
Also this explains a lot on how we hear and why STEREO IS good (although there's a lot to be done with surround systems and 3d sound from that point onwards) : THEILE, G., On the naturalness of two-channel stereo sound, AES/SMPTE, Joint Television Conference, Detroit, USA, 1991
Also check out the work of Günther THIELE and Helmut WITTEK two very respected German sound engineers and professors, over at www.hauptmikrofon.de and www.schoeps.de
Also check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereophonic_sound
and this which i am sure you'll love
How audio codecs work - Psycoacoustics By Victor Vergara, Christopher Davis : http://www.audiodesignline.com/howto/au … /175800470Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
I have original Mercury Living Presence recordings and I believe they will sound better on the system that I described. They were recorded with one mike. I've attended concerts where there is no mike, amplification, mixing, etc. The sound you hear is from the acoustic properties of the room. Since you're studying this you owe it to yourself to obtain an LP and listen to it through a mono amp on a good speaker. I think you might be surprised at the quality.listen to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
This is a true analog system from start to finishlisten to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008 edited
Indeed, as you said, The sound you hear is from the acoustic properties of the room, i.e. a mixture of direct and reverberant sound. Your ears listen and pick up sounds from all directions and reverberant sound comes from ALL directions. A conventional cardioid microphone used for recording picks up a mono signal from ONE direction only. Therefore you need as much mics as possible to even come close to what our brains hears live, at a concert hall. I don't know how to explain this to you more clearly and simply.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
Just listen to one of the recordings sometime. It had to be something of a multi-directional mic. I fully understand your points and they are well taken. I'm merely trying to explain some of the older technology to you.listen to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
I know the older technology, my first chapter is about the history of recordings. The only multi-directional microphone that exists is the omni but that is located very far from a concert hall's walls in order to capture all the characteristics and strength of the reverberant sound, if you use just one of those. Plus, in a modern recording, apart the microphones we put in various spots on the stage to capture the reverberant sound, the overall sound of the orchestra and the acoustical environment of a concert hall, special little microphones are placed at most instruments' resonators as well, in order to mix a very satisfying direct sound in the overall mix too. I don't doubt your recording sounds satisfactory and even good, especially if the performance itself is very, very good. But especially monophony is a completely different thing than stereophony and - particularly surround sound and the experimental 3d sound.
Do you have the technical details of your recording? I suspect it's monophony doubled so that you have the same signal coming from both left and right speakers.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeDec 30th 2008
Christodoulides wrote
That is an amazing book, i have it and it's really well-written. Plus the author is one of the most well-known in the field: EVEREST, Alton, F., Master Handbook of Acoustics, Fourth edition, McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc., USA, 2001
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Handbook-A … pd_sim_b_1
This is pretty popular but i haven't read it personally: Acoustics and Psychoacoustics, Third Edition
[FP387] David Howard, Jamie Angus - http://musicbooksplus.com/acoustics-psy … -7103.html
BALLOU, Glen, Ed., Handbook for Sound Engineers, The New Audio Encyclopedia, Howard W.Sams & Co., A division of Macmilan, Inc., USA, 1987
TALBOT-SMITH, Michael, Audio Engineer’s Reference book, Reed Educational and Professional Publishing Ltd, 1999
Also this explains a lot on how we hear and why STEREO IS good (although there's a lot to be done with surround systems and 3d sound from that point onwards) : THEILE, G., On the naturalness of two-channel stereo sound, AES/SMPTE, Joint Television Conference, Detroit, USA, 1991
Also check out the work of Günther THIELE and Helmut WITTEK two very respected German sound engineers and professors, over at www.hauptmikrofon.de and www.schoeps.de
Also check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereophonic_sound
and this which i am sure you'll love
How audio codecs work - Psycoacoustics By Victor Vergara, Christopher Davis : http://www.audiodesignline.com/howto/au … /175800470
Holy crap! Thanks D.
(And I've never thought that stereo sound has ever had the need to be defended!? I think Tom is clutching onto days passed by.
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- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
Blood insomnia, that's what. It does not bode well with an already impatient personality...
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- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
What's blood insomnia?http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
I'm not holding onto old technology at all. I'm just trying to get the best sound possible from existing recordings. I would also say that new modern multi-miked digital recordings would sound less than on the system I described.listen to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
PawelStroinski wrote
What's blood insomnia?
Without why.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
Ah. I... I forgot the a 'y' there... yuh... as Martijn said.... -
- CommentAuthorsdtom
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
listen to more classical music! -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
For the founder of Tomism, you're not very good at it!
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- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJan 2nd 2009
Also, I dropped my model DeLorean this morning and Mr. Fusion fell off...
