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Screw hardtopleaseitis or Screw hardtopleaseits ?

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Just for that I'll see the movie and like it.
(Won't be hard: it's Terminator and it's got Bale. And there's no "good" <ptuih> terminator. What's NOT to like?)

Except when they agree with US

Ah, good man! A very underrated (or at least not often mentioned) score from the Newt.

Agreeing very much with Bregt.

Bale. He is completely forgettable. A truly messy ending leaving me not caring whether or not John Connor dies, leaving me disappointed. Everyone else in the film was fantastic. And Elfman's score could have been much more. The score was no longer a character of the film. The middle of the film lags a lot.

I thought it would have been very interesting having a John Connor that was very mysterious and mainly seen through the eyes of other characters. Not focusing on his character. A weak example being Downfall. Watching Hitler at a distance through much of the film.

It is, that´s why I liked it But there is the worst action sequence ever filmed, be warned. Actually I refuse to think it was filmed by Zwick himself. Some second second second assistant director did it.

You...you didn't like Der Untergang?
Or did I misunderstand your analogy?

Not only amateurish but badly executed, shot and edited. Cheap, very cheap.

Well, obviously Mr.Bond ate up all the budget

In a different vein Cannibal Holocaust and Irréversible come close.
The difference with those two is that I would actually recommend Come And See (with some very clear caveats).

The only level at which these films are comparable is in the sinking, hopeless feeling of anger, disgust and depression that they evoke.

Well, Cannibal Holocaust was deeply disturbing to me for mainly the animal butchering scenes...which were real.
The film's callousness isn't very uplifting, but no worse than other films in the same genre.

Do NOT see Irréversible.
Seriously.
It's the most objectionable film I've ever seen. (I have a few other epithets I'd like to use, but this one will do for now).
In a non-linear fashion the story is told of a pregnant woman who gets raped and beat up, goes into a coma and loses her baby. Her boy friend goes out for revenge and kills the worng person. The end.

The film features two of the very worst scenes I have EVER had the displeasure to witness.
The rape scene is EXTREMELY graphical and lasts for about ten minutes.

For the voyeurs among us: there is NOTHING titillating or exciting about it. It is utterly violent and as it's filmed from a single camera viewpoint, it gives the viewer the impression of being a physical witness to something abhorrent and vile enough to make you throw up.
The revenge scene may be even worse, if such a thing is possible. The violence and gore, all shown in excruciating detail, are unparaleled in my experience.

The worst thing of all though is that there seems to be no point.
The vileness seems to be made for vileness' sake, without moral sense or any conceptor question of ethics at all (both within the film and in making it). The violence doesn't juxtapose anything. There is no dramatic value or point at all.
Which makes it no more than the most gruesome celebration of extreme subhuman violence.
I have no other comparison for this film than to the webfilms Al Quaeda used to produce of beheading innocent prisoners.
Yes, it's on that level.

It is, BAR NONE, the worst film I have EVER seen.
I am utterly serious: do NOT see this film.
I so sincerely wish I hadn't.

As a matter of principle I am against censorship, but if someone would happen to burn each and every copy of this film in the world, I'd at the very least would like to buy him a drink.

Well, I can tell from your long and detailed description of the film that you feel very passionately against this kind of voyeuristic junk. I have no inclination whatsoever to want to sit through a 10 minute rape scene et el ( I found the rape scene in Death Wish II unecessarily gratuitous enough and I suspect this is "mild" in comparison ), seeing as this is a film I've never seen pop up on TV I'll have no problem avoiding it.

I do...which I realize makes it all the more odd that I did sit through it.
I was just hoping -against my gut instinct- that there would be some point to all of it. Maybe not redemption, or a moral, but at the very least a point. I just couldn't believe someone would make this to merely do something (anything!) controversial. Or worse, for fun.

I think, maybe, we've all done that at some point in our lives. The last film I sat through that made me feel dirty was Bundy, about the real life American serial killer who raped and throttled dozens of women in the 70's and 80's, the film was gratuitous, voyeuristic, and seemed to glorify this psychopath, a dichotomy it shares with more mainstream fare such as Hannibal Lector.

And just to keep this thread on track....


NP : TWILIGHT ZONE : The Movie - Jerry Goldsmith

That's the same lame-ass excuse "artists" presenting dead bodies, or cows chainsawed in half as art have been using for decades.
Art is supposed to enrich our lives (and that may very well be in a controversial way, I don't mind that, or any challenge, at all). But it NEEDS to have a point.
This film doesn't, and the fact that it's "unique" and "like no other" (both qualifications being abjectly wrong, by the way, witness the myriad of snuff, torture and rape movies in existence) by NO means WHATSOEVER qualify it as art.

And that's the last I will say about this execrable pile of vomit.
Unless some nimrod mistakenly feels he needs to defend the film's "worth".