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  1. Christodoulides wrote
    DreamTheater wrote
    It doesn't feature guns at all, but it does feature white doves, and the battle sequences are on a par with TLOTR.


    Oh-oh....it IS another House of Flying Daggers / Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - like film then, eh?

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    I just saw your reply above smile


    Red Cliff, especially the first part is only action in the begin, after that the character development takes over (and pretty nicely done too I might add). The true big finale is at the end of Red Cliff Part 2, and while quite long, the second part still adds loads of dramatic and suspenseful story telling

    Hard Boiled on the other hand is a bullet feast, but a good one because I was affraid mere shooting wasn't gonna cut it, luckily it's done so well you just don't care
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010 edited
    DreamTheater wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    DreamTheater wrote
    It doesn't feature guns at all, but it does feature white doves, and the battle sequences are on a par with TLOTR.


    Oh-oh....it IS another House of Flying Daggers / Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - like film then, eh?

    [edit]

    I just saw your reply above smile


    I don't recall Crouching Tiger featuring white doves? confused

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    I just saw your edited reply, in which you say that you read my reply. tongue

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    Editing just for the sake of editing. wink


    You know, i mean those incredibly slow scenes with the magical atmosphere and swords drifting through flowers in the air, water and rain drops mysteriously hovering in the air and all around, stuff like that.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    Timmer wrote

    D, I beg you to watch the original TV series....truly TRULY sublime.


    Is it his too? I guess not, eh ?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  2. Christodoulides wrote
    DreamTheater wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    DreamTheater wrote
    It doesn't feature guns at all, but it does feature white doves, and the battle sequences are on a par with TLOTR.


    Oh-oh....it IS another House of Flying Daggers / Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - like film then, eh?

    [edit]

    I just saw your reply above smile


    I don't recall Crouching Tiger featuring white doves? confused

    [edit]

    I just saw your edited reply, in which you say that you read my reply. tongue

    [edit]

    Editing just for the sake of editing. wink


    You know, i mean those incredibly slow scenes with the magical atmosphere and swords drifting through flowers in the air, water and rain drops mysteriously hovering in the air and all around, stuff like that.


    I know I was just pulling your leg. And Red Cliff is definitely not like the way you described it. John Woo's approach is a little more direct if you know what I mean. The action has nothing mystic about it.

    But it does have many characters discussing endlessly, but not irritatingly so.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote
    Timmer wrote

    D, I beg you to watch the original TV series....truly TRULY sublime.


    Is it his too? I guess not, eh ?


    No, nothing to do with Soderbergh and don't let that put you off. The TV series is nearly identical but with some location changes, Heroin from Pakistan instead of cocaine from Mexico, a British drugs minister instead of American and a German drugs baron, all filmed on location it has an air of authenticity that the film, with it's big name stars lacks and partly because of that it's more hard hitting.

    A slight name change too, it's called TRAFFIK not TraffiC.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  3. Southall wrote
    Are his Hong Kong films actually different in style/quality from his Hollywood ones? For reasons I can't fathom I've seen all his Hollywood films and they're all terrible.


    Style? His Hollywood movies is dumbed down John Woo, I would say except Face/Off, a restrained (often due to edits) John Woo.

    Quality? Yes. The characters AND the writing is much better in his Hong Kong movies - Woo wrote them himself in Hong Kong.

    That said, Face/Off is one of my all-time favorite thrillers and one of two action thrillers in which Nicolas Cage is actually decent.
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    PawelStroinski wrote
    Southall wrote
    Are his Hong Kong films actually different in style/quality from his Hollywood ones? For reasons I can't fathom I've seen all his Hollywood films and they're all terrible.


    Style? His Hollywood movies is dumbed down John Woo, I would say except Face/Off, a restrained (often due to edits) John Woo.

    Quality? Yes. The characters AND the writing is much better in his Hong Kong movies - Woo wrote them himself in Hong Kong.

    Totally agree. His Hong Kong movies are films BY John Woo. His american movies (with the excpetion of Face Off and, someway, Hard Target), are films he directed, if you know what I mean. Just watch A Bullet in the Head. It makes Apocalypse Now look like a sit com.

    PawelStroinski wrote
    That said, Face/Off is one of my all-time favorite thrillers and one of two action thrillers in which Nicolas Cage is actually decent.

    Indeed. One of the best thrillers of the 90´s along with Heat and Ronin.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    Then you must be talking about a different FACE/OFF because the one i saw sucked wink Oh and don't you dare compare Ronin with face/off! cheesy
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    Face/Off is big pants!

    No where near the superb quality of Heat and Ronin...NO. WHERE. NEAR.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    1 - Ronin

    2 - Heat

    3 - Face Off

    See? They are not that near.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    If you like it so much Marcel then who am I to say it isn't great. rolleyes wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  4. I prefer Heat to Ronin actually (character preference), I would add The Rock to the mix.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    The Rock? cry
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  5. Yes, The Rock.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    The Rock?
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    cry
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    Yes, The Rock.

    Oh wait, not my line.
  6. Neither The Rock nor Heat are actually thrillers.
    Rock is an action movie, and Heat is a character-driven melodrama that happens to have a couple of great action scenes.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  7. What about the genre called action thriller?
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2010
    Or the genre called melo-dramatic action thriller romantic comedy sci-fi teen slasher flick... starring Nicolas "Oh No! Not The Bees" Cage.

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  8. PawelStroinski wrote
    What about the genre called action thriller?


    I don't know, there's always something about 'thriller' that suggests to me that there's a bit of mystery involved.
    This makes 'Seven' a thriller, and 'Ronin' a thriller (since there's a mysterious enemy after the mysterious contents of the suitcase), etc. 'The Usual Suspects' is a thriller.
    Once 'The Rock' finishes setting up its premise, there's no surprises from there. It's more high concept than thriller. (Another example being 'Collateral'?)
    If it was just about edge-of-your-seat cinematic excitement, then Avatar would be a thriller, and we know it isn't what we mean by thriller.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  9. Marselus wrote
    PawelStroinski wrote
    Southall wrote
    Are his Hong Kong films actually different in style/quality from his Hollywood ones? For reasons I can't fathom I've seen all his Hollywood films and they're all terrible.


    Style? His Hollywood movies is dumbed down John Woo, I would say except Face/Off, a restrained (often due to edits) John Woo.

    Quality? Yes. The characters AND the writing is much better in his Hong Kong movies - Woo wrote them himself in Hong Kong.

    Totally agree. His Hong Kong movies are films BY John Woo. His american movies (with the excpetion of Face Off and, someway, Hard Target), are films he directed, if you know what I mean. Just watch A Bullet in the Head. It makes Apocalypse Now look like a sit com.


    Face/Off is a bloody great thrill ride for me, and Hard Target is undeniably Van Damme's best flick because, and this is always a big plus in my book: it doesn't take itself seriously. I can have the biggest laughs at the most overblown stunts and ridiculous one-liners done by JC, but in the end I'm always totally entertained. Not to mention Lance Henriksen, who plays such a cool and twisted villain, the perfect antagonist for Van Damme's muscular presence.

    And I will have to check out 'Bullet in the Head'. I can't believe I still haven't watched that one, thanks for reminding me Marselus.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2010
    But we can all agree Paycheck is his worst one, co-enhanced by the "don't look at me or you'll fall asleep"-face of Ben Afflect.

    It has one of the best scores for his movies though.
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2010
    DreamTheater wrote
    Hard Target is undeniably Van Damme's best flick because, and this is always a big plus in my book: it doesn't take itself seriously. I can have the biggest laughs at the most overblown stunts and ridiculous one-liners done by JC, but in the end I'm always totally entertained.

    That´s because the movie does not take itself seriously either. Love it.

    DreamTheater wrote
    Not to mention Lance Henriksen, who plays such a cool and twisted villain, the perfect antagonist for Van Damme's muscular presence.

    Emil Fouchon! And don´t forget Fouchon´s henchman, Pik van Cleef (Arnold Vosloo).

    DreamTheater wrote
    And I will have to check out 'Bullet in the Head'. I can't believe I still haven't watched that one, thanks for reminding me Marselus.

    Be advised though: it is not an action film. It is Woo´s more personal movie and one of the toughest and roughest war movies I´ve ever watched.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
  10. And I guess compared to it, Windtalkers is utter piece of shit? I plan to rewatch it though (Windtalkers).

    I "love" when Cage is in his "I am soooo tired with life" mode, there are so many roles with Cage staying on one face saying "I'm very sad and my life is crap"
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      CommentAuthorMarselus
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2010
    PawelStroinski wrote
    And I guess compared to it, Windtalkers is utter piece of shit? I plan to rewatch it though (Windtalkers).

    Oh yes. I don´t know the expression in english, but after watching it you feel beaten, with bad vibrations.

    PawelStroinski wrote
    I "love" when Cage is in his "I am soooo tired with life" mode, there are so many roles with Cage staying on one face saying "I'm very sad and my life is crap"

    Try Bad Lieutenant. Is his "I´m so crazy that I´m funny" mode.
    Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you
  11. Well, that may be good!
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2010
    DreamTheater wrote



    LMAO with this. biggrin

    You can expect a confused from someone very soon...


    No, not at all, my friend. Steven writes some rubbish and nonsense stuff over here, especially about me, why should i bother about those things? Let him write whatever he wants and let me not bother about it. angry angry angry

    Have a nice day!
    Racism, Prejudices and discrimination exists everywhere.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2010
    DreamTheater wrote

    My words exactly. Face/Off rocked and in my mind it's fantastic!!!! I love how Woo makes action look cool. And sure it was overacted, but boy was it superbly overacted, Travolta & Cage just pushed all the right buttons and had tremendous fun by playing each other.

    I'm somewhat of a Woo fan. I've only seen The Killer, Hard Boiled and Red Cliff of his Hong Kong movies though, and they're all good.


    Thank God! i thought i am the only one who liked the movie here, but at last, i find fine company. cool Movie was great and excellent performance by Nicholas Cage and John Travolta. kiss beer
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      CommentAuthorBhelPuri
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2010
    Christodoulides wrote

    Four paragraphs of straw men.



    C'mon Demetris. Did you even read all of my post? I'll quote myself:

    It's ok to not like a movie and its score... You don't have to change your opinion of the movie/score


    We're pretty much in agreement with everything except...

    But it's a bit much to extrapolate those feelings to bash anything related to the director/composer/genre ad nauseum


    Meaning to say that just because you don't like the movie/score/composer/genre doesn't mean that it's proper to come down bashing anything related to that.
    A new Rahman assignment? Cue in the dig. A score of his getting a thumb's up? Cue in another snarky comment. And it has been done so often (look at all the Bolly and Rahman related posts) that it had me wondering if you're doing it just to take a dig, elicit a response and take more digs.
    And that led to wondering about the motivation for it all-- were you were doing it out of pure hate or for the troll/lulz. It's just a movie/composer/music/score... whatever. I find it hard to believe that someone could hate something so much when there are way more important things in life.

    Christodoulides wrote
    I said numerous times that i think it's glorified Bollywood, it has all the boy-meets-girl and lots of unnecessary and unrealsitic drama in between until they reach the purpose of being together in the end and kill us with a bunch of cheesy songs and dancing


    Aside from the end credits song and dance homage to Bollywood there's nothing else in the movie that's Bolly. That story line you said above has been done a number of times around the world.
    If Slumdog is Bollywood then Roland Joffe's City of Joy and Attenborough's Gandhi are Bollywood too.