Actions & Consequences

Well, you did say that I (along with Pawel) provoked him which is 100% false. And even if I did, his reaction was totally uncalled for... but you know that. Anyway, I haven't been in contact with him at all and I have no interest in doing so.

-Erik-

Oh, and since it may relate to the subject and I was guilty of not that bad, but similar behavior before, I will post a more leveled opinion on Brian Tyler's music pretty soon, sadly also in essayistic form (to make all the points I want to make, maybe I'll pick a score I'd listen to in Now Playing thread, one that would present both the best and what I think are the worst elements of his style, might be actually Modern Warfare 3.

If you do post this then could you post some bullet-points that summarise your opinion?

And again don't answer to me like i actually said what you THOUGHT i implied. Re-read what i wrote and my 2nd response at Erik above.

No, the thing is that Justin was always confrontative in everything he wrote and now got "carried away" by telling a guy who's a father of two kids that he's a bad parent with no arguments for that whatsoever. What's the difference in attitude between this and what Sunil did and what Justin did? Sunil was completely crazy, but in approach, there was *no* difference and yes, I will equate those two behaviors. Both came out of the blue, both were insanely personal, both were uncalled for and this came out of disagreement about who's the better composer of all things.

Second thing - my post was written BEFORE you replied to Erik, it appeared after I clicked to post, so I couldn't know more about your intentions, because I interpreted the first post you wrote just like Erik did. I don't think Justin should be banned because I don't like him, but because he went down to Sunil's level and he doesn't even think that he should apologize for that. He just dropped the bomb and doesn't want to make it any better and if you looked at his personal info (what Erik noticed), he just wants to play the victim here. So it's not a personal thing, D., it's him going totally personal for no reasons whatsoever and there being no reaction from any moderator for such behavior. That's the basic problem I have with the situation, there was no reaction whatsoever for those remarks coming from a more "legal" (quotation marks are the key here, by that I mean nothing more formal) standpoint. THIS is the basic grudge I have with the situation. About his site, in some cases I will just check if his statements are proven with a source.

Regarding me and hating Zimmer, yes, ever since I met the guy, I am vehemently protesting against any personal attacks hurled at the man, Justin on this forum (and other people on other forums) was the person guilty of this infraction.

Pawel, amazing though it may seem, not all communication in this community is run through or by you.
Please refrain from suppositions and stop fanning the flames, please.
It's not helping anything.

Please try to calm down. All of us. Switch off the defence mode and breathe. We are running circles me thinks. Relax a bit and we will resolve the situation. Just let it be until things calm down. Come on! We can all do this.

Martijn, do you really think we need this? I mean the greatness of this place is that we've never needed this kind of measures. Well, some Sunil here or kokodezil there, but it's been years now we've been discussing, arguing, 'fighting' without needing 'tools' to punish anybody.

Damn, we've even become REAL friends here!

Fair enough I guess. But so far we've managed it pretty good with the (ver few) cases of people coming here just to screw things up.


Still, if God and the mods are ok with it, I'm, ok with it.

Well all relationships have some basic rules, don't they? Friends, sexual relationships, etc. Why not this one too? nothing strict or restricting but some basic stuff based on basic social skills that not everyone seems to automatically have, sadly.

I can only agree with Stavi: Let's all take a deep breath...

And please: can everybody please try to not take things personally.
Some people say something in jest, some because they have a bad day, some because they want to be hurtful. But whatever reason is behind a statement, you give it power by taking it personally.
Don't let him or her have that much power.

I would hope you could always contact a moderator if you really feel attacked or insulted, and let him/her do the police work, and if push comes to shove, they will decide if banning is a necessity.

But when it comes to the question if we need rules, I would hope Marcel is right.
Can't we just be friends (with different opinions, but still friends).

BTW Bear McCreary's reaction when somebody suggested he might want to set some rules on his forum was priceless.
His suggestion was to implement only one rule: "Don't be a dick".

BTW: the above is just my 2 cents, so none should take it personally...

OK for you D. if I pass on the having a dick? I'm very happy with my female sexual organs .

Apparently Justin elects to continue posting as if nothing has happened. As long as he's a member of the community, he can do that.
Nobody can force him to do or not do anything.

However in light of the in my opinion reprehensible, extremely hurtful and rather inexcusable remark he made, I -if it were solely up to me- would issue a Formal Warning (next offense indeed to cause termination of the account).

However, right now, we have nothing as semi-formal like that in place. And while so far 100% of reactions is negative towards the remark (ranging from disaproval to anger to outright disgust) a proper consequence is much harder to find a consensus on.

So, to make sure such heavy actions aren't random or seem to favour certain people, I am suggesting a sort of code of conduct. Yeah, like 'don't be a dick'. So that when a transgression is noted, it can be deduced back to that code, with a fitting, connected consequence.

This would eliminate any considerations of nepotism, randomness or claims of ignorance.
And it would free the mods from acting like police-diplomat-politician-superjudge. Which *I* for one do NOT have the time for.

So, I will put this to Bregt when he's back and then, and ONLY then will we come to a decision.

And unless any additional transgression happens, this will be my final word on this until then. (Which in no way is meant to stop any discussion or feedback. I'm just stating my own position and opinion.)

Well, based on the fact that nothing can be done concerning Justin, I will be removing myself from this board until something can be done. So, enjoy Justin and his bullshit!

-Erik-

And what would you do in my position? I don't want to be apart of a place where Justin is free to run around like nothing happened. This is a personal protest.

-Erik-