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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2009
    NP : STAR TREK III : THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK - James Horner



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    • CommentAuthorTintin
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Brothers Thomas Newman

    His secondary theme is quite intoxicating. I like the groove. A bit on the rock side with some Hammond organ or something that sounds like it.
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009 edited
    NP:Sherlock Holmes (Hans Zimmer)

    It is the most enjoyable album from Zimmer? not it's not. It is good? yes it is.

    This score is more about the sound than the melody, so In a lot of tracks you can appreciate more than enjoy.

    I love the mandolin, the banjo, the slow piano, the violins, the percusion... The Ring techniques are very present here.

    About the themes, obviously the main theme is used in almost every track, but you can hear a "seduction" motif (Rachel Mcadams?) and a dramatic motif (the bad guy?) even a some notes with flute wich reminds me to Michael kamen.

    Probably you can Listen more easaly AVATAR, but for sure Zimmer can show to Horner how to create a more specific sound for each movie.

    Well Done, Maestro!
  1. Yeah, Zimmer as a soundscape creator is rather underrated. Horner has technical prowess. These days, if he doesn't indulge into electronic scoring (Horner can achieve some kind of sad magic here, yes, like in Boys in Striped Pyjamas - I think a seriously underrated work, even if the main theme is from Swing Kids - or The New World), he is the master of, more than anyone, symphonic development. His voice leading (particularly in string writing), his knack for beautiful instrumentation (particularly the consonance of some instrument, BTW, that's the original meaning of symphony, too!) is unlike anybody else. While The New World is a beauty and possibly one of the best albums of the decade (contrary to Southall, I prefer some other albums, but I know, I'm a Zimmer fan and all), my favorite piece of Horner's thematic/orchestral development is actually the first track of Enemy at the Gates. The way he builds the piece feels like a modern symphony movement to me and, I think, is the best James Horner piece of this decade.

    Zimmer on the other hand, as I divulged in my "Avatar essay" is a soundscape creator. For Horner the orchestra comes first and the rest (soloists and electronics) come off as the part of orchestra. Zimmer treats the orchestra as an instrument of a band (drums, guitars, keyboards, soloists, orchestra - they are equal and part of the soundscape). He doesn't have Horner's technical prowess and knack for orchestral sound, but he has a knack for SOUND period. smile
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  2. Not being able to find a tracklist for David Newman's score to "Ducktales: The Movie", I am watching it and making a tracks list for the 33 track boot. The first 11 tracks were in order except one cue, but everything else is jumbled. Still making the tracklist. When done it will all be up at:

    http://www.DavidNewmanFilmMusic.150m.com/ctod.html
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      CommentAuthorWilliam
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    NP: Stardust - Ilan Eshkeri

    First listen. smile
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    William wrote
    NP: Stardust - Ilan Eshkeri

    First listen. smile


    What about Half Blood Prince? smile
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      CommentAuthorWilliam
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Not yet. Later. smile
  3. "Ducktales" turned out to be a fun score. Some mickey mousing, but it's always laced with motifs and re-occuring themes in the film, so it has some kind of coherency.

    As expected, the bootleg is indeed not compelte. It's say it's about 95% complete, missing one really good cue though (one of the best in the film, too).

    The film, which I had seen before, was ... a brain hermage waiting to occur. Moves too fast, too much going on. I got sick of it real quick, though on it's owm story merits, it's really not that bad. Give me the TV series anyday. Plus you get Gizmoduck with the series. Yeah, I'm a nerd.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    And the sound quality of the boot is awful, too. I'd love to see it be released officially someday.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009 edited
    DAMIEN: THE OMEN II - JERRY GOLDSMITH

    Excellent variations and very good score from Maestro. The Runaway Train is damn scary track. Wow!
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    WP: The Lion King - Hans Zimmer

    Listened to the stunning expanded King Of Pride Rock track; despite the mediocre sound quality, never fails to raise the hairs on my neck. Hans' most emotionally powerful material ever. May this one and only 'grail' of mine follow the likes of BTTF in getting an official release in the not too far future. smile

    NP: Avatar - James Horner

    While not particularly original, I'm finding myself listening to this one a lot, particularly Jake Enters His Avatar World, Becoming One With The Neytiri and the last few action tracks. War is one hell of a roller-coaster ride!
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    DemonStar wrote


    NP: Avatar - James Horner

    Jake Enters His Avatar World


    Rehash of the track Frog Darts from Apocalypto. shame
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    I think I prefer this one to the Apocalypto track as it's better orchestrated with superior instrumentation.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    lp wrote
    So it's like a Hans Zimmer score.... punk
    Quite enjoyable.


    It's a very uninspired, bad ZImmer score.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    DemonStar wrote
    I think I prefer this one to the Apocalypto track as it's better orchestrated with superior instrumentation.


    That not the point. He should have composed better music than that original one. In fact, he should haven't reused that material in this most anticipated film of the year. Its very hard to digest that even in Cameron's film i find more his repetitive works. That's just intolerable.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    DemonStar wrote
    NP: Avatar - James Horner
    While not particularly original, I'm finding myself listening to this one a lot, particularly Jake Enters His Avatar World, Becoming One With The Neytiri and the last few action tracks. War is one hell of a roller-coaster ride!


    Wait 'till you see the movie! The score works brilliantly.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    DemonStar wrote
    NP: Avatar - James Horner
    While not particularly original, I'm finding myself listening to this one a lot, particularly Jake Enters His Avatar World, Becoming One With The Neytiri and the last few action tracks. War is one hell of a roller-coaster ride!


    Wait 'till you see the movie! The score works brilliantly.


    Have you seen the movie? Just curious.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009 edited
    franz_conrad wrote
    Southall wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Southall wrote

    (ii) I wholeheartedly disagree that Horner is of the "old school". His approach to film music - for better or worse - has always been about only one thing, which is deciding what emotion any particular scene is meant to bring out in the audience and then trying his hardest to manipulate that emotion from the audience. That's not "old school".


    Really? Max Steiner would have loved that description on his gravestone!


    He might, but I have a hard time accepting that it's what he did. I'd say he offered musical commentary on a film, like probably all film composers up to (approx) Herrmann and North, a tradition revived by Star Wars later on. I don't think emotion particularly comes into it at all.


    I must admit my eye fell more on the 'manipulate the hell out of the audience' bit.
    Still, I think a lot of the work by the early masters was based on a recognition that there was a difference between how the scene was meant to be coming across, and how it did come across. The sense that it's all musical commentary now (which it isn't in something like Waxman's REBECCA) is partly because the degree of musical involvement has drifted to become less visible in the time since.


    It's not a secret that film music in the early stages 30-35 years after its birth was on general lines and with few exceptions - primarily escorting, strictly describing and underlining the on-screen happenings. Both its volume and musical character usually didn't have as bold, more independent and direct and 'look at me i'm here and i am demanding your attention' a character as - say, Horner and relevant film music approaches. I wholeheartedly agree with Southall on this one.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Sunil wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    DemonStar wrote
    NP: Avatar - James Horner
    While not particularly original, I'm finding myself listening to this one a lot, particularly Jake Enters His Avatar World, Becoming One With The Neytiri and the last few action tracks. War is one hell of a roller-coaster ride!


    Wait 'till you see the movie! The score works brilliantly.


    Have you seen the movie? Just curious.


    Last night. In 3D.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009 edited
    Sunil wrote
    That not the point. He should have composed better music than that original one. In fact, he should haven't reused that material in this most anticipated film of the year. Its very hard to digest that even in Cameron's film i find more his repetitive works. That's just intolerable.


    Well, it was a somewhat missed opportunity, but it is by no means a poor effort. There is a fair share of new material there (and good fusion of Horner's own ideas from his previous scores) and as long as it fits well with the movie (as most people seeing the film have confirmed) and is musically coherent on CD, I'm willing to compromise the lack of originality. I was let down a bit for sure, but it's still a darn fine score methinks.
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    lp wrote
    So it's like a Hans Zimmer score.... punk
    Quite enjoyable.


    It's a very uninspired, bad ZImmer score.


    WHAT???????????

    It's a very mature, weird and original score!

    I love this soundscapes with violin, cello and harps even if a lot of tracks are underscore! It captures very well the London of that age.

    I can't belive the orchestral ourbusts and the orchestrations (even Panpipes!) in the 18 minutes track doesn't work for you. I think it's one of his best compositions!

    2009 is the purest Zimmer year since 1997. Zimmer left behind the epics, experimentals or transcendentals works and he just have fun with his music. Angels and Demons , Sherlock Holmes, And it's complicated are the kind of scores he could do in his old good years!

    PS: I leave Call Of Duty because it's the worst music with Zimmer attached to it, ever.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    DemonStar wrote
    Sunil wrote
    That not the point. He should have composed better music than that original one. In fact, he should haven't reused that material in this most anticipated film of the year. Its very hard to digest that even in Cameron's film i find more his repetitive works. That's just intolerable.


    Well, it was a somewhat missed opportunity, but it is by no means a poor effort. There is a fair share of new material there (and good fusion of Horner's own ideas from his previous scores) and as long as it fits well with the movie (as most people seeing the film have confirmed) and is musically coherent on CD, I'm willing to compromise the lack of originality. I was let down a bit for sure, but it's still a darn fine score methinks.


    Again, i can't urge everyone strongly enough to watch the movie in 3d in the theaters first, and then pass final judgment on the score.
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      CommentAuthorDemonStar
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    I certainly will! smile
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Sunil wrote
    DemonStar wrote
    I think I prefer this one to the Apocalypto track as it's better orchestrated with superior instrumentation.


    That not the point. He should have composed better music than that original one. In fact, he should haven't reused that material in this most anticipated film of the year. Its very hard to digest that even in Cameron's film i find more his repetitive works. That's just intolerable.


    Well... it's no less original than the scores for Aliens, The Abyss or Titanic, so it should come as no surprise really.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote

    Again, i can't urge everyone strongly enough to watch the movie in 3d in the theaters first, and then pass final judgment on the score.


    Ok! Done! smile
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote




    Last night. In 3D.


    Ah! Great. I expect you to elaborate on it. Maybe, not in this thread. I expect your views and opinion in Recent Viewing thread. smile

    Have a nice day! smile
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  4. Christodoulides wrote

    It's not a secret that film music in the early stages 30-35 years after its birth was on general lines and with few exceptions - primarily escorting, strictly describing and underlining the on-screen happenings. Both its volume and musical character usually didn't have as bold, more independent and direct and 'look at me i'm here and i am demanding your attention' a character as - say, Horner and relevant film music approaches. I wholeheartedly agree with Southall on this one.


    The film technique periodicals of the 1930s had exactly the same debates about how music works in film as we have today. Not a lot has changed since then.
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      CommentAuthorkeky
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    Played:

    Puccini - Marco Frisina
    Nice melodies all around but the album seems a bit fragmented with those short tracks. I love when Frisina has the time and space to develop his themes. He could do wonders in his Bibbia scores with his melodies in the long tracks on those albums.
    So Puccini is a nice album but it won't belong to my favourites by Frisina.

    Ransom - James Horner
    After the melodic Frisina album I wanted to listen to something raw. This thriller album by Horner seemed like a good idea. I love how Horner used a special rhythmic base in many of his thriller scores in the '90s. Sounds good.
    • CommentAuthorTintin
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2009
    NP: Love Actually Craig Armstrong

    Watched the movie for the first time last night- mostly because the movie is set during the Christmas season and wanted to hear the Armstrong score again but in context. It is quite unusual for him to do a more "joyous" score.
    Quite good especially in the Press conference scene and the final restaurant scene.

    Off to see Avatar now. punk