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- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
I mean...
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
The Last Airbender
GI Joe
Harry Potter 7
Captain America
The Hunger Games
Those are some examples of what I mean by "modern scoring style" for adventure films. We have known for years that some people here don't like these types of scores because there is not enough melody or long enough themes or whyever else they are not enjoyed. Said people are never going to like these kinds of scores. The predictability of this negativity is what I meant by "automatic". So what's the point of criticizing them every time a new one appears? Especially when you go to the extent of insulting the composer himself, saying he was lazy or bored?
Subtlety is a legitimate artistic strategy.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Also, I'm not trying to say that there aren't legitimate reasons to criticize these scores. I'm sure we all wish there were more scores like Prisoner of Azkaban and Waterworld and Back to the Future being written in 2012. But I'd rather focus on the merits of the new scores than complain about how they aren't as good as the old scores.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Scribe wrote
Subtlety is a legitimate artistic strategy.
And some people will argue against that.
Which is also perfectly legitimate.
However I too would be more interested in why people hold that opinion (well, either opinion, pro or contra) rather than stating the simple fact.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Personally, I think its mainly a matter of older films being less honest than newer films. Older films, and their music, celebrate violence and death as long as its the death of the "bad guys". Newer films are more likely to recognize that the real world isn't so black and white, and from that perspective its emotionally inappropriate to fill such a film with heroic adventure themes. Film music is supposed to help us feel what the characters are feeling (IMO) and newer films tend to be populated by more realistic characters, who have less bold and clearly defined emotions than Luke Skywalker or Indiana Jones.
In HP7.1, for example, the main characters weren't wandering around feeling adventurous, or certain that they were going to triumph, or even certain of what they were feeling at all. They felt confused and scared and ambiguous. So Desplat's music is relatively gray and ambiguous, rather than being all-out romantic or tragic or adventurous.
Please ignore everything I say that isn't helpful or interesting, I've simply had too much coffee....I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Scribe wrote
No, I think its quite accurate to characterize opinions that automatically refuse to accept alternate, modern scoring styles for adventure films (as opposed to the traditional melodic bombast) as close-minded.
It doesn't matter what instruments are use or what techniques are used... shit music is shit music! Period!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Scribe wrote
Personally, I think its mainly a matter of older films being less honest than newer films. Older films, and their music, celebrate violence and death as long as its the death of the "bad guys".
All Quiet On The Western Front
White Heat
The Wild Bunch
Honestly, your broad strokes now roughly run the length of the Death Star trench...
'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Martijn wrote
Scribe wrote
Personally, I think its mainly a matter of older films being less honest than newer films. Older films, and their music, celebrate violence and death as long as its the death of the "bad guys".
All Quiet On The Western Front
White Heat
The Wild Bunch
Honestly, your broad strokes now roughly run the length of the Death Star trench...
I think I've made it very clear what kind of films I'm talking about. Popular, mainstream, big-budget films. We don't criticize The Last Airbender and The Hunger Games because they don't sound like "All Quiet On The Western Front". We criticize them because they don't sound like Star Wars.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Erik Woods wrote
Scribe wrote
No, I think its quite accurate to characterize opinions that automatically refuse to accept alternate, modern scoring styles for adventure films (as opposed to the traditional melodic bombast) as close-minded.
It doesn't matter what instruments are use or what techniques are used... shit music is shit music! Period!
Aaaaaaaand that is exactly why "open-minded" versus "close-minded" was brought up in the first place...I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Scribe wrote
I think I've made it very clear what kind of films I'm talking about. Popular, mainstream, big-budget films. We don't criticize The Last Airbender and The Hunger Games because they don't sound like "All Quiet On The Western Front". We criticize them because they don't sound like Star Wars.
Who's this "we"?'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
No... you are missing the point. I'm not making a blanket statement on scores that I haven't heard before. I very open-minded when it comes down to alternate, avant-garde, non-traditional scoring (been spinning the piss out of BT's Monster for 2 weeks straight) but if that avant-garde, non-traditional, alternate score is trash then that's what it is... trash! I also find some of the more traditional Hollywood orchestral scores deathly boring as well... Captain America and the latest Journey 2 score come to mind.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Scribe wrote
Aaaaaaaand that is exactly why "open-minded" versus "close-minded" was brought up in the first place...
No.
Closed-mindedness would mean (for example) refusing to ever listen to a particular composer due to a certain prejudice.
Erik may have excellent reasons to define what he calls "shit music" as such.
[EDIT: as he just explained, right above this post.]
Like I said, I would like more elaboration.
Not sweeping generalisations. On score, composer OR posters!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Scribe wrote
I think I've made it very clear what kind of films I'm talking about. Popular, mainstream, big-budget films. We don't criticize The Last Airbender and The Hunger Games because they don't sound like "All Quiet On The Western Front". We criticize them because they don't sound like Star Wars.
I criticize them because they are missed opportunities. I actually watched The Last Airbender over the weekend (I thought my boy might like it - he was bored 30 minutes in) and if there was ever a film to have something special created for it, it was this one. But what we got over the course of the 1 hour and 40 minute playing time was an unmemorable, generic, dull, lifeless score. Even Goldsmith was able to find some sort of inspiration to write something truly great for films like this. Supergirl comes to mind, among countless others.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Martijn wrote
Scribe wrote
I think I've made it very clear what kind of films I'm talking about. Popular, mainstream, big-budget films. We don't criticize The Last Airbender and The Hunger Games because they don't sound like "All Quiet On The Western Front". We criticize them because they don't sound like Star Wars.
Who's this "we"?
It's supposed to be 'pale face' not 'white man'
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
I know. I remember the original artwork in Mad magazine well.
I guess it was inevitable that humour would be sanitised as well (even as ironic as it was in the first place).'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Martijn wrote
I know. I remember the original artwork in Mad magazine well.
I guess it was inevitable that humour would be sanitised as well (even as ironic as it was in the first place).
I think it may be even older than the MAD magazine ( depending what year that one was published ) as I remember that joke from when I was a child.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
The Lone Stranger, 1953.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Ahhhhhh! Well, even Nostradamus hadn't foreseen me back then.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
NP: Wrath of Titans - Javier Navarrete
It's certainly more orchestral, with a really beefy, snarling brassy sound that's far away from its predecessor. Though I'm not liking it more than Ramin's melodic (and superior) effort. The new theme is a bit inspired by Ramin's main theme for the Perseus, though I don't know why he didn't just incorporate it since it's the same character. So that's a bummer. There are more action stuff, though most of the time, they verges on busy noise, and creating big thumping passsages and not developing the score's lackluster thematic materials. Rather disappointed with this score so I'll stick with Ramin's original (replacement) score. -
- CommentAuthorCristian
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Hunger Games - James Newton Howard
I want to listen to something good before I go to bed. -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Cristian wrote
Hunger Games - James Newton Howard
I want to listen to something good before I go to bed.
Wouldn't you prefer to listen to something that sets you into the mode of sleeping? You know, calming? Seems like W.E. would be a preferable choice instead, no? -
- CommentAuthorCristian
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
W.E. I listened last night. And there are some calm and beautiful moments in Hunger Games too like Healing Katniss and The Cave. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
lp wrote
Cristian wrote
Hunger Games - James Newton Howard
I want to listen to something good before I go to bed.
Wouldn't you prefer to listen to something that sets you into the mode of sleeping? You know, calming? Seems like W.E. would be a preferable choice instead, no?
Maybe something like Sleepers by John Williams.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
lp wrote
NP: Wrath of Titans - Javier Navarrete
It's certainly more orchestral, with a really beefy, snarling brassy sound that's far away from its predecessor. Though I'm not liking it more than Ramin's melodic (and superior) effort. The new theme is a bit inspired by Ramin's main theme for the Perseus, though I don't know why he didn't just incorporate it since it's the same character. So that's a bummer. There are more action stuff, though most of the time, they verges on busy noise, and creating big thumping passsages and not developing the score's lackluster thematic materials. Rather disappointed with this score so I'll stick with Ramin's original (replacement) score.
I don't remember who Ramin replaced, was it Craig Armstrong??On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
NP: FIREBIRDS (David Newman)
The synth bits are the best, but the orchestral action music is pretty nifty too. Has a Horner vibe.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorPawelStroinski
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Timmer wrote
lp wrote
NP: Wrath of Titans - Javier Navarrete
It's certainly more orchestral, with a really beefy, snarling brassy sound that's far away from its predecessor. Though I'm not liking it more than Ramin's melodic (and superior) effort. The new theme is a bit inspired by Ramin's main theme for the Perseus, though I don't know why he didn't just incorporate it since it's the same character. So that's a bummer. There are more action stuff, though most of the time, they verges on busy noise, and creating big thumping passsages and not developing the score's lackluster thematic materials. Rather disappointed with this score so I'll stick with Ramin's original (replacement) score.
I don't remember who Ramin replaced, was it Craig Armstrong??
Yes, rather than being rejected, Armstrong quit on his own due to scheduling conflict.
Elliot Goldenthal and others - Heat
Brilliant album, though I am actually on a very heavy track (Armenia), which I got used to, but still dislike, because it somehow ruins the mood. Still one of THE perfect albums for me.
The Goldenthal score is also very good, in fact quite brilliant.http://www.filmmusic.pl - Polish Film Music Review Website -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Bregt wrote
TRANSFORMERS PRIME | brian tyler
This is the first Brian Tyler in a long time that I enjoy from start to finish. What a fantastic main theme, blaring the speakers out of their case, bombastic in every sense, but driving and propelling the score forward. Add some really good action music, swirling and nervous strings and some Tyler trademark percussion. Obviously there's a bit too much of it, but boy, I do enjoy this one!
Jablonsky should take some notesLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Cristian wrote
Hunger Games - James Newton Howard
I want to listen to something good before I go to bed.
Then press eject and put something better inLove Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
Scribe wrote
Also, I'm not trying to say that there aren't legitimate reasons to criticize these scores. I'm sure we all wish there were more scores like Prisoner of Azkaban and Waterworld and Back to the Future being written in 2012. But I'd rather focus on the merits of the new scores than complain about how they aren't as good as the old scores.
Nobody talked of old scores. Take JNH for instance:
SIGNS
THE SIXTH SENSE
THE VILLAGE
POSTMAN
SNOW FALLING ON CEDARS
SIXTH SENSE
LADY IN THE WATER
etc
=== BRILLIANT
Hunger Games = bored, auto-pilotish drafty and well, terribly mediocre.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012 edited
Demetris wrote
Bregt wrote
TRANSFORMERS PRIME | brian tyler
This is the first Brian Tyler in a long time that I enjoy from start to finish. What a fantastic main theme, blaring the speakers out of their case, bombastic in every sense, but driving and propelling the score forward. Add some really good action music, swirling and nervous strings and some Tyler trademark percussion. Obviously there's a bit too much of it, but boy, I do enjoy this one!
Jablonsky should take some notes
I find this one to be too dense... way too heavy. Not much variation in sound. It's like a migraine. It keeps pounding at you until you get nauseous. I couldn't make it through the entire album!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeApr 2nd 2012
PawelStroinski wrote
Timmer wrote
lp wrote
NP: Wrath of Titans - Javier Navarrete
It's certainly more orchestral, with a really beefy, snarling brassy sound that's far away from its predecessor. Though I'm not liking it more than Ramin's melodic (and superior) effort. The new theme is a bit inspired by Ramin's main theme for the Perseus, though I don't know why he didn't just incorporate it since it's the same character. So that's a bummer. There are more action stuff, though most of the time, they verges on busy noise, and creating big thumping passsages and not developing the score's lackluster thematic materials. Rather disappointed with this score so I'll stick with Ramin's original (replacement) score.
I don't remember who Ramin replaced, was it Craig Armstrong??
Yes, rather than being rejected, Armstrong quit on his own due to scheduling conflict.
Elliot Goldenthal and others - Heat
Brilliant album, though I am actually on a very heavy track (Armenia), which I got used to, but still dislike, because it somehow ruins the mood. Still one of THE perfect albums for me.
The Goldenthal score is also very good, in fact quite brilliant.
It absolutely is. Einstürzende Neubauten and gritty industrial rock are always a bit hard to digest, I agree, but it somehow fits in here, in this wonderful 'urban' concept album. Because that's what I think it is.I am extremely serious.
