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  1. Take a re-listen soon, I'd love to hear your opinion on something I think is some of Goldsmith's most creative action writing. Every score has its own merits:

    Rambo 1 is the most brutal and has the best usage of the main theme.

    Rambo 2 is the biggest fun, loud and just proudly mindless Americana at times.

    Rambo 3 is the most diverse one and most romantic one, sometimes surprisingly laid back, but still has creative play with rhythm is at core HEAVILY melodic, has a great secondary theme.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    But of course, i never said the contrary. It's the synths i don't like! Will re-listen soon though, i've been planning this for long now.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  2. Yeah, in Rambo 2 sometimes you may wonder if Goldsmith's synths didn't have stomach problems biggrin

    Looking forward to hearing your opinion smile.
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  3. Christodoulides wrote
    I wonder if your reaction would be the same if Williams did the same with the Indiana Jones or the Star Wars musical universe. And don't tell me that you too don't consider the original Bond theme a basic, necessary ingredient to every Bond film.


    If you actually look back through the David Arnold thread, you'll see a post from me that says I quite like that they didn't use it much in CR, because I've kind of had it with the theme for a while. I felt they could replace the theme with 'You know my name' for a couple of films, and slowly phase it back in. wink
    (I reckon you'll find the music is quite a different thing in the context of the film by the way - the reference in 'Field Trip' has got to be Bond having a sexy moment with Agent Fields.)

    (And by the way, Williams used the Indiana Jones theme a little bit too much in INDY IV, for me at least. Just a little bit.)
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    The World Is Not Enough David Arnold

    'Come In 007...' is perhaps my favourite Arnold-Bond track. Just awesome... awesome awesome awesome!
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    After the first couple, most of John Barry's Bond scores don't really use the theme that much. It's on most of the albums only once or twice. It's only Arnold who went into "kid in sweet shop" mode and bashed the audience over the head with it when he started doing them, and I'm glad he's grown up a bit now.
  4. It should be used on special occasions, I think.

    Like what Zimmer and Elfman did with Schifrin on Mission: Impossible. Giacchino didn't use it too often to, though he based a lot of the score on the bass ostinato.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Steven wrote
    Exactly.

    I just don't like this idea that a Bond movie has to conform to the exact same approach as, say, Goldfinger. The 60s are over. The new Bond is here.


    Up until Casino Royale almost all the Bond films followed the blueprint of Goldfinger. CS was a different direction but it seems in danger of turning into the Bourne films.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Anthony wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Atham wrote
    Anthony wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Pre-Viz section of Disc 2 on the Special Edition DVD.


    Sweet, so that's where they're from! I'm not complaining - they're the two pieces of music I wanted from the movie and now they're out!


    Yup. I've now made a re-edit of the album with the two said tracks. A far better listen! cool


    The rear channels of the film also contain the entire score and there are sections where there's no SFX interference.

    -Erik-


    Oh Erik, stop being such a mood killer. People want this music! beer I bet if it was something you just had you'd be going on about how great it was.


    Sure I would but if someone didn't like the music I would hope that they would feel free to voice there opinion... like I did.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Steven wrote
    Um, I think you were the one who took my response the wrong way. You over-complicate things dude!


    But you mistook the particularly effective metaphysical imagery of the interesting rhythmic devices, which seemed to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of the humanity of the composer's compassionate soul, which contrives through the medium of the forum's structure to sublimate this, transcend that, and come to terms with the fundamental dichotomies of the other, and one is left with a profound and vivid insight into whatever it was the score was about!
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008 edited
    NP: Gradius III, Konami Kukeiha Club
    It's not every day that I get to open a package and hold in my hands my #2 all-time most-wanted item. Wow. How I've LONGED to own ultra-rare import item, and listen to it. This album rocks so hard. The heart and soul of old-school video game scoring. And that I've picked it up the other day as a complete fluke for $9 on eBay??? Something is wrong with that kind of luck.

    Up - up - down - down - left - right - left - right - B - A - start
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    What is this?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    There's colours everywhere...
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Which part?

    Gradius is a late-80s spaceship shoot-'em-up video game for the SNES with classic Konami rockin' music.

    $9 is the sum I paid for it, which is obscenely less than it's worth.

    And "Up - up - down - down - left - right - left - right - B - A - start" is easily known as the "Konami Code" of the 80s to anyone who played Nintendo in those days. Konami used to put it in many of its games of the time. That code, when input at the right times would tend to give you 30 extra lives, or power up your ship instantly, things like that.
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Is it performed by real instruments? The score?
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    I think they may have been made in Japan...
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    What's this?
    There's white things in the air...
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Martijn wrote
    Steven wrote
    Um, I think you were the one who took my response the wrong way. You over-complicate things dude!


    But you mistook the particularly effective metaphysical imagery of the interesting rhythmic devices, which seemed to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of the humanity of the composer's compassionate soul, which contrives through the medium of the forum's structure to sublimate this, transcend that, and come to terms with the fundamental dichotomies of the other, and one is left with a profound and vivid insight into whatever it was the score was about!


    Well now you mention it, it's pretty obvious!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    NP : MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS - John Barry



    Gorgeous theme and melodies, french horns, bagpipes....what's not to like! cool
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    What's this?
    I can't believe my eyes...
  5. Christodoulides wrote
    Is it performed by real instruments? The score?


    There's an album called Gradius in Classic or something like that, which features orchestral arrangements of the tunes, which I'm not at all familiar with, I was a huge SEGA-nut...

    But that album is quite good. I'll see if I can upload it for you Demetris.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Steven wrote
    What's this?
    I can't believe my eyes...


    Yeah I know, it's such a darned rarity I play John Barry biggrin
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorHeeroJF
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Christodoulides wrote
    Is it performed by real instruments? The score?

    Oh, no, no. No game from that era had live orchestra scores. It's all heavily synthesized and as such may not be for everyone, but the sheer musicology of these themes should overpower the limitations of sound. At least it's one step above the NES sound system, but even that doesn't bother me. I listen to enough old NES scores like Contra and Zelda II in a groove beyond anything even a Brian Tyler score could bring me...
    ''The mandate, as well as the benefit, of responsibility is the ability to tell when one can afford to be irresponsible.'' - Me
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Steven wrote
    What's this?
    I can't believe my eyes...


    I can't believe your eyes either.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Martijn wrote
    Steven wrote
    What's this?
    I can't believe my eyes...


    I can't believe your eyes either.



    biggrin
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    HeeroJF wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Is it performed by real instruments? The score?

    Oh, no, no. No game from that era had live orchestra scores. It's all heavily synthesized and as such may not be for everyone, but the sheer musicology of these themes should overpower the limitations of sound. At least it's one step above the NES sound system, but even that doesn't bother me. I listen to enough old NES scores like Contra and Zelda II in a groove beyond anything even a Brian Tyler score could bring me...


    And you......like this? shocked tongue
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    NP: The Bride of Frankenstein - Franz Waxman

    One of the most influential horror scores of the Golden Age. Waxman departed from the horror scoring norm of the day and created a thematic, exciting and dramatic score that contains orchestral atmospheric writing the likes that had never been heard before. This re-recording by Kenneth Alwyn and the Westminster Philharmonic is superb. This score breezes by and one could easily pass over the first 2/3 as nothing really special. But once we get to the Creation to the end of the picture Waxman turns it on and completely blows us away. And the pulsating timpani is a brilliant device during the creation scene which, if I can remember correctly, represents the Brides heart beat. A delightful 13 plus minutes of pure Waxman genius!

    It's a classic from my favorite Golden Age film composer! Highly recommended!

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    For me to be completely satisfied with a Bond score I need to hear the Bond guitar theme and big brass theme heard once in the film. And no, end credits don't count. Every listen I give to QOS it grows on me a bit more.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2008
    Martijn wrote
    Steven wrote
    What's this?
    I can't believe my eyes...


    I can't believe your eyes either.


    That's so me.