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Well, IMHO, Wall-E's the best score of the year!

-Erik-

BTW Horse Whisperer is a superb score.

No; it's that it's beyond my understanding why anyone would hype such a score and composer if it has been done before in the past WAY, WAY BETTER and since - imo, hasn't got anything new to offer at all; especially by people who are currently jobless or work on little projects just because they aren't part of the gig. I AM NOT SAYING HE SHOULDN'T WORK; but why all the fuzz is what i don't get? Why don't i see fuzz (for instance) on Adrian Johnston's score for BRIDEHEADS REVISITED from this year which is ages better? (again imho).

But i guess that's the way the rest of the world goes anyway.

No, i don't hate Elfman. YOU see it like that and YOU present it as such whenever it suits your arguments. There's a HUGE difference between the "i think he's an amazing composer and a very gifted artist who has composed several stuff through the years i can't even listen to or consider as "crap" to my ears but he has simultaneously composed purely excellent film music too" which truly is my standpoint.

Elfman aside though, a specific chord procession, a theme, an arrangement and instrumentation on period-like music which has been done a thousand times before is that chord procession and that theme and that doesn't change 'cause someone likes it (you) and someone doesn't (me). Of course we hear stuff differently and you're absolutely right on this one but that alone won't make it the next big thing.

As for Tyler banging and Zimmer's raw, rude, loud rock-esque orchestral chords, the fact that you consider them childish doesn't make them any inferior than what they are nor any superior 'cause i consider them kick-ass.

I know what i said Erik, i stated "i am not Elfman's biggest fan" numerous times and that i can't listen to stuff like The Nightmare Before Christmas, Mars Attacks, Flubber and the similar Elfman gigs. If he didn't "do it" for me, i wouldn't love and listen to frequently a lot of Elfman scores like THE RED DRAGON, WANTED, HELLBOY 2, S.O.P, CHARLOTTE'S WEB, selections from CORPSE BRIDE, all his SPIDERMAN material which i consider kick-ass, SLEEPY HOLLOW or Dolores Claiborne. That's a lot of likes for someone who "hates" one's work.

And anyway, me not liking a portion of Elfman's work is NOT an argument in our discussion here so get over it. The fact that his music did it for you or that you'd rather listen to his work than Tyler's - which you consider much inferior to Cantelon's, ARE arguments and that's all i need to keep from this discussion here.

Indeed

3 things:

1-Who/what is "Cantelon"???

2-Agree with your thoughts about Elfman.

3-Zimmer is far more talented than Elfman.No discussion.

NP:Cleopatra (north)

I think I will never be able to enjoy the old fashioned compositions and rythms

You wouldn't be the first one!

Anyway, having just listened to Hulk by Danny Elfman, there's no way Zimmer would be able produce a score of that complexity. I know Jordi's just being an ass and kidding around, but I just needed to say that. And there, now I've said. I feel better.

It spends most of its time on my shelf too. But then you should see its playcount in my iTunes compared to Regarding Henry's (considering I don't have Regarding Henry). But more to the point, I was talking about who was the more 'talented' composer and how Jordi was once again talking out of his arse.

I have to say, I think Elfman today is better than Elfman ever was in the past. I love his current sound. One of the best around. I won't say "he's better than Zimmer" since it's all opinions (though clearly any right-thinking person knows that he is, by a considerable margin).

Tyler is a such a cool, easy to like person. That's why I like his scores more than I should, I'll admit it.

NP: U-571 (RICHARD MARVIN)

Haven't played this in a while... Solid action score with a certain maestro's influence. The action cues and finale music are very inspired by late 90s Goldsmith. Cay you say AFO? This is the only score I have of Marvin. I'm actually listening to this in the order of the film's music, as opposed to the crappy order of the album. Like what's an End Credits piece doing at the start of a soundtrack (Quickly rearranges order of tracks) Ah, much better!!!

4 STARS

You saying it got even better? Not surprised, too! Powell actions scores do that. I can't wait to get this one. (but I will, waiting for a good price from my main supplier)


That's a toughie... always has been. Is Herrmann necessarily superior to Al Newman because of the complexity of his music? Conjecture, conjecture... And ultimately it's down to personal preference. Yes, Desplat, Tom Newman and David Julyan are extremely skilled composers but the style in which they specialize bores me to death. I'd much rather listen to Kaczmarek.


Really?? Hm, well, I'm actually glad there are some for who his newer style appeals, it proves that Elfman himself isn't the only one who has confidence in his current output. I guess it's just me who's not catching the boat, but I can live with that... I can also try harder to like it.

NP: The Outer Limits, Dominic Frontiere
Don't let this collection be ignored... it's high-class stuff.

NP: City of Ember by Andrew Lockington

It is clear he's one of the young talents who has an amazing talent when it comes down to bringing orchestral strong and tuneful filmmusic. Like Journey to the Center of the Earth, this CD holds various moments of brilliant magnitude. If he can push the ocassional dribble out of this and enhance on the already strong musical voice, Lockington is my new hero to look out for

7 out of 10