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      CommentAuthorStavroula
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    NP: The DaVinci Code ~ Hans Zimmer
    Just imagine the scene: Driving alone in the national road, the only company the stars and this soundtrack. The moment I was to reach Sparta Chevaliers De Sangreal was on. It was playing as I could see Sparta from above bathed in light a thunder storm raging! Breathtaking!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009 edited
    Stavroula wrote
    NP: The DaVinci Code ~ Hans Zimmer
    Just imagine the scene: Driving alone in the national road, the only company the stars and this soundtrack. The moment I was to reach Sparta Chevaliers De Sangreal was on. It was playing as I could see Sparta from above bathed in light a thunder storm raging! Breathtaking!


    Nice. cool

    My Dad once let me borrow his red pick up truck, and I was driving back one day from dropping a friend off at his house when it was raining and thundering (hence why your story reminded me of it)... and luckily I had Twister with me at the time!

    Best. Drive. EVER.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    An oft-told anecdote by me: when myself and Jon Broxton were driving through a seemingly endless forest, with only the occasional appearance of sheer cliff-faces dropping off one side of the road (you could never predict which), in the middle of the night, in a foreign country, perhaps The Omen wasn't really the best choice of listening.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    biggrin

    I'm bored. I think I might do that right now....
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    Southall wrote
    An oft-told anecdote by me: when myself and Jon Broxton were driving through a seemingly endless forest, with only the occasional appearance of sheer cliff-faces dropping off one side of the road (you could never predict which), in the middle of the night, in a foreign country, perhaps The Omen wasn't really the best choice of listening.


    Yeah, I remember you mentioning this cool

    We need a 'True Stories' thread.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    franz_conrad wrote
    Steven wrote
    Let's hope it's not one of the last Shyamalan-JNH scores. sad (Although Ed Zwick could turn out to be the new Shyamalan for JNH!)


    Call me harsh, but I find even the least of the Shyamalan-JNH scores to be worth a lot more than whichever of BLOOD DIAMOND or DEFIANCE is meant to be worth listening to twice. wink


    I don't think either of them is as good as his Shyamalan scores, but I've certainly listened to each of them more than once, which doesn't happen with a great many recent scores. Defiance doesn't quite click with me 100%, but I do like it. I'd have to be in the right mood to listen to Blood Diamond again (and I don't think I've been in that mood for over two years) but I remember quite liking it. JNH has done far, far worse.

    Having said that, if Shyamalan stopped making movies then JNH would go in my eyes from being an average composer who somehow steps into greatness once every year or so for his buddy, to an average composer.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    The Spirit - David Newman

    It doesn't live up to its excellent opening, but it's nice to hear a score like this from Newman. I wondered whether he'd ever do anything but a craptacular comedy again.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    Southall wrote

    Having said that, if Shyamalan stopped making movies then JNH would go in my eyes from being an average composer who somehow steps into greatness once every year or so for his buddy, to an average composer.


    Hmm, I'd like to see an average composer produce something of the quality of I Am Legend... or King Kong... or Atlantis... or Dinosaur... or Snow Falling On Cedars... or - well you get the idea.
  1. Southall wrote
    The Spirit - David Newman

    It doesn't live up to its excellent opening, but it's nice to hear a score like this from Newman. I wondered whether he'd ever do anything but a craptacular comedy again.


    indeed, it has got good ideas and you hear for mere seconds the orchestral adventure voice of Newman, but he barely develops it

    Sad, considering this could have been it
    Ah well, back to The Phantom then wink
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    Steven wrote
    Southall wrote

    Having said that, if Shyamalan stopped making movies then JNH would go in my eyes from being an average composer who somehow steps into greatness once every year or so for his buddy, to an average composer.


    Hmm, I'd like to see an average composer produce something of the quality of I Am Legend... or King Kong... or Atlantis... or Dinosaur... or Snow Falling On Cedars... or - well you get the idea.


    But you've just named a couple of very average scores (King Kong and Atlantis) which plenty of "average composers" could do (Debney, Silvestri, D Newman), one which is maybe on the next level up (Dinosaur) and two very good ones.

    Take the Shyamalan out and you're left with a filmography on the level of those three gentlemen I just mentioned... which is a pity, considering he has shown that what he can do at his very best easily outweighs any of them.
  2. Southall wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Steven wrote
    Let's hope it's not one of the last Shyamalan-JNH scores. sad (Although Ed Zwick could turn out to be the new Shyamalan for JNH!)


    Call me harsh, but I find even the least of the Shyamalan-JNH scores to be worth a lot more than whichever of BLOOD DIAMOND or DEFIANCE is meant to be worth listening to twice. wink


    I don't think either of them is as good as his Shyamalan scores, but I've certainly listened to each of them more than once, which doesn't happen with a great many recent scores. Defiance doesn't quite click with me 100%, but I do like it. I'd have to be in the right mood to listen to Blood Diamond again (and I don't think I've been in that mood for over two years) but I remember quite liking it. JNH has done far, far worse.

    Having said that, if Shyamalan stopped making movies then JNH would go in my eyes from being an average composer who somehow steps into greatness once every year or so for his buddy, to an average composer.


    I endorse this man's candidacy!

    NP: Circa (Christopher Gordon)

    Not a film score... an accompaniment to a museum exhibition. Lovely though.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    Fair enough. Harsh. But fair enough. wink
  3. It is harsh. Since he scores a lot of movies, I wish I liked his music more. (Mark Isham is sailing deep into these waters too, except I'm not sure there is a Shyamalan in his case.)
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    Isham turned himself into one of my real favourites a couple of years ago, but as with Steven it's been a while since I've been excited by something he's done. There was that one track in Lions for Lambs which was spectacularly good, otherwise it seems quite a while now since The Black Dahlia (which remains one of my favourites of recent times).
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    The Matrix - Don Davis

    Absolutely exquisite!
  4. If you only need to make one classic score to be indispensible to film music history, then even without everything before, BLACK DAHLIA was the score that made Mark Isham indispensible. Sadly, rather like THE GOOD GERMAN, it's noir-of-'06 cousin, that's the kind of score that people rarely get an opportunity to do.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    The Black Dahlia is certainly one of my favourites of the 00s. Rarely has a composer impressed me so much and disappointed me equally as much afterward.


    Far Off Place James Horner

    Magical stuff. Sort of sounds like Broughton in places?
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2009
    Dinosaur - James Newton Howard

    Really rather good!
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    Southall wrote
    An oft-told anecdote by me: when myself and Jon Broxton were driving through a seemingly endless forest, with only the occasional appearance of sheer cliff-faces dropping off one side of the road (you could never predict which), in the middle of the night, in a foreign country, perhaps The Omen wasn't really the best choice of listening.


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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    1. S YOU. I loved Happening, the movie.

    2. JAMES NEWTON HOWARD is not just an excellent composer; he's one of the last few remaining artists in film music. Another such an example is Alexandre Desplat.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    2. JAMES NEWTON HOWARD is not just an excellent composer; he's one of the last few remaining artists in film music. Another such an example is Alexandre Desplat.


    Honestly? Would a true "artist" write Michael Clayton, or Freedomland, or The Lookout, or Dreamcatcher? I know there's some great stuff to go along with that dross, but the ratio's not healthy enough for me to lose my doubts.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth - Gavin Greenaway

    OK, so maybe it should go in the non-film music section, but never mind. Extraordinarily evocative for me of the happiest times of my life, and great music to boot.
  5. Southall wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    2. JAMES NEWTON HOWARD is not just an excellent composer; he's one of the last few remaining artists in film music. Another such an example is Alexandre Desplat.


    Honestly? Would a true "artist" write Michael Clayton, or Freedomland, or The Lookout, or Dreamcatcher? I know there's some great stuff to go along with that dross, but the ratio's not healthy enough for me to lose my doubts.


    To be honest, when I imagine the James Newton Howard versions of WALL-E, ZODIAC, BENJAMIN BUTTON and ATONEMENT, I come closer than I ever have before to giving up my interest in film music. wink
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - James Horner

    There's only one word to describe this, and that's: a true great.
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      CommentAuthorMiya
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    Thomas Glorieux wrote
    Miya wrote
    Thomas Glorieux wrote
    Miya wrote
    NP: The Lion King II: Simba's Pride - tons of unknown songwriters
    I must admit I like these songs shame tongue


    I just love that main theme song "He Lives in You" punk

    That's a great song by Mancina, indeed. Have you ever heard the original version on Rhythm Of The Pride Lands? It's longer than the edited version on TLK2.

    But I also like songs such as We Are One and Love Will Find A Way... shame they're nothing special but nice to sing along! bunny

    And I enjoy Lebo M's pop songs which have nothing to do with Simba's Pride...


    I haven't heard the album yet "Rhythm of the Pride Lands", perhaps I should do that one time


    If you like African vocals on The Lion King and Power Of One, Rhythm Of The Pride Lands is worth checking. The songs are very enjoyable, especially three songs based on Zimmer's score (Lea Halalela, Busa, Lala). First two are also on Zimmer's concert album, but the original versions are much stronger than those weak live recordings with only few African singers... slant .

    But it's better to keep in mind that it is a song album, not a score.



    NP: The Power Of One - great guys behind The Lion King music
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      CommentAuthorMiya
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    Southall wrote
    IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth - Gavin Greenaway

    OK, so maybe it should go in the non-film music section, but never mind. Extraordinarily evocative for me of the happiest times of my life, and great music to boot.


    Yes, that's an amazing piece of music! I hope he will get more chances to compose his own music. More!
    Labels are for cans, not people. - Anthony Rapp
  6. Steven wrote
    Far Off Place James Horner

    Magical stuff. Sort of sounds like Broughton in places?


    I've never been able to appreciate that one. One of my least favourite from Horner, and the whole Legends of the Fall rip makes me want to listen to that one instead. I know A Far Off Place came first, but Legends is an emotional rollercoaster... This one is not.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    Southall wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    2. JAMES NEWTON HOWARD is not just an excellent composer; he's one of the last few remaining artists in film music. Another such an example is Alexandre Desplat.


    Honestly? Would a true "artist" write Michael Clayton, or Freedomland, or The Lookout, or Dreamcatcher? I know there's some great stuff to go along with that dross, but the ratio's not healthy enough for me to lose my doubts.


    Seems odd you would condemn a composer for their less-than-admirable scores. Horner's produced his fair share of less-than-admirable scores during his career. Even Goldsmith didn't get it right all the time. But there were/are still great composers.

    Regardless of ratio, we are still talking about the guy who wrote Signs. The talent is clearly there.

    (Still, Michael Clayton is just bloody awful.)
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
    Steven wrote
    Seems odd you would condemn a composer for their less-than-admirable scores. Horner's produced his fair share of less-than-admirable scores during his career. Even Goldsmith didn't get it right all the time. But there were/are still great composers.


    Indeed. But JNH probably needs another 25 or so really borderline-great scores before he gets to Horner level (and he's probably a very similar age), and another 25 after that to get to Goldsmith. Good though JNH's best work is, it's a billion miles behind even Horner's best (Signs is good... but Star Trek II or The Rocketeer or Legends of the Fall-level?), let alone Goldsmith.
  7. I think for their respective films, I respect SIGNS as much as STAR TREK II or LEGENDS OF THE FALL, but I also would applaud another 25 or really borderline-great scores from him. And perhaps a handful more from Horner too, just to keep him on his toes.
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