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- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
NP: Surviving Picasso (Richard Robbins)
My favourite Robbins/Merchant/Ivory collaboration. Robbins was doing his own interesting fusion of dramatic music and minimalism in these films, and the colours were gorgeous in his ensemble for this.
Also - how weird is it that Robbins, despite being the M/I darling, has only ever scored their films?A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Pft, the new [proper] Cylon Raiders would annihilate that piece of 70s nostalgic junk. -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
JORIS DE MAN - Killzone (2CD)
Much, much better.
The orchestral / choral parts are pretty good don't you agree? Shame that two thirds of the soundtrack is just synthesized and repetitive bollocks. Typical game music and only effective within the game."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009 edited
I was playing Star Trek last night and had somewhat of an almost complete turn around with this score. Initially, even though I still enjoyed it, I was quite disappointed. Expectations were far too high - or more accurately, expectations were far too specific.
I was expecting (or at the very least hoping) for a big 'spacey' sounding sci-fi score. Something that would conjure up the vast grandness of space; ala Goldsmith's The Motion Picture. But that's not what Abrams' popcorn-friendly film is about, and to expect that kind of score from Giacchino was probably unfair. Now that I've got over the fact that this isn't a Goldsmith, Horner or even an Eidelman score, I can finally focus on what it is: A typically well-crafted Giacchino score, and more proof of how savvy a composer he is.
There is one major drawback to this score, and it's the over-use of the main theme. It appears way too many times. On the plus side, Giacchino being the kind of composer he is plays around with it throughout the whole score and adds a different layer to it on almost every appearance on the album. The most clever use of the main theme is in the end credits where he incorporates it into Courage's theme, and vice versa. The end credits also includes the best rendition of Spock's theme in the entire score, which was a highly underused theme especially in comparison to the main theme. Another drawback is perhaps the main theme itself. It's good, very infectious even... but it does lack a certain power that it so often tries to achieve throughout the film. (On a side note, Nero's theme/motif is an appropriately low brassy and menacing piece of music, one that I enjoy quite a lot in fact.)
One thing I've always admired about Giacchino is his ability to find short little motifs that work brilliantly for what they're written for. 'Enterprising Young Men' is a particularly good example of this. The shot where the escape pods are fleeing from our first encounter with Nero's ship at the start of the film, Giacchino writes this infectious playful little tune that then turns into a rather powerful rendition of the main theme as the film's title comes on screen. Perhaps my favourite musical moment of the entire film, and the best use of the main theme.
For the final action scene, Giacchino employs the use of a large choir. The problem is, it doesn't sound like a large choir. It sounds good, but it would have sounded so much more powerful if the choir had sounded like, for instance, the choir on Goldsmith's The Final Conflict. That's how I like a choir to sound! Anyway, that's a minor quibble, the music itself is still very exciting and works very well in the film (and, of course, on album).
Conclusion? A very well structured and very exciting action/adventure score with clever uses of themes (even if one of them is overused). And I've yet to hear any nods to Goldsmith in this score, but I'm pretty sure I heard a little bit of Horner in there ('That New Cat Smell').
Kudos to Giacchino! -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
I will hear Star Trek for the first time around this time tomorrow when I'm in a darkened theatre cheering along with a young Kirk and Spock.
Yeeeeaaayyyyyyyyyy
Once Upon a Time... The Essential Ennio Morricone Film Music Collection (Silva Screen Records compilation)
Legendary!!! That's the only word to describe the music on offer here. This wonderfully gifted Italian wrote so many recognisable tunes in the past that I discovered they were his many years later. This brilliant compilation is performed by the Prague Philharmonic and features many of the western themes he is so known for on the first disc, and a set of other famous film themes on the second disc, including a wonderful set of cues of 'The Mission'. The performance is stunning... I get all emotional and good-spirited when listening to the incredible western-flavoured disc. 'Once Upon a Time in the West', 'For a Few Dollars More', 'The Five Man Army', 'The Men From Shiloh', 'Guns For San Sebastian', the list of classics goes on...
Will this level of quality ever return to film music I wonder? I hope it will.
Morricone is a true genius. It saddens me I only have 2 scores of him in my possession.
"considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorkeky
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
DreamTheater wrote
Morricone is a true genius. It saddens me I only have 2 scores of him in my possession.

Well, at least you have a huge musical treasure to discover! The sooner you start, the better!
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
NP : THE INCREDIBLES - Michael Giacchino
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009 edited
Steven wrote
I was expecting (or at the very least hoping) for a big 'spacey' sounding sci-fi score. Something that would conjure up the vast grandness of space; ala Goldsmith's The Motion Picture. But that's not what Abrams' popcorn-friendly film is about, and to expect that kind of score from Giacchino was probably unfair. Now that I've got over the fact that this isn't a Goldsmith, Horner or even an Eidelman score, I can finally focus on what it is: A typically well-crafted Giacchino score, and more proof of how savvy a composer he is.
Mine point exactly, a couple of pages back in this topic! Welcome to the club!
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
DreamTheater wrote
Christodoulides wrote
JORIS DE MAN - Killzone (2CD)
Much, much better.
The orchestral / choral parts are pretty good don't you agree? Shame that two thirds of the soundtrack is just synthesized and repetitive bollocks. Typical game music and only effective within the game.
Indeed, those are unbearable but they appear almost on every game score out there, once the budget for the large choral-orchestral ride runs out.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009 edited
Steven wrote
One thing I've always admired about Giacchino is his ability to find short little motifs that work brilliantly for what they're written for.
Yes, that's exactly why I love him. And the one you mentioned in the perfect one from Star Trek!
Steven wrote
I'm pretty sure I heard a little bit of Horner in there ('That New Cat Smell').
You can now join the club with Erik.
Again, D, you can choose the lolcat.
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Anthony wrote
Steven wrote
One thing I've always admired about Giacchino is his ability to find short little motifs that work brilliantly for what they're written for.
Yes, that's exactly why I love him. And the one you mentioned in the perfect one from Star Trek!
Steven wrote
I'm pretty sure I heard a little bit of Horner in there ('That New Cat Smell').
You can now join the club with Erik.
Again, D, you can choose the lolcat.

Me? What?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
William wrote
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
A small and simple truth.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
William wrote
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
A small and simple truth.
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009 edited
Anthony wrote
Steven wrote
I'm pretty sure I heard a little bit of Horner in there ('That New Cat Smell').
You can now join the club with Erik.
What club?
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Anthony wrote
Steven wrote
I'm pretty sure I heard a little bit of Horner in there ('That New Cat Smell').
You can now join the club with Erik.
Come again? -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
William wrote
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
Rules what exactly?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
William wrote
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
A small and simple truth.
How small and how simple?On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Timmer wrote
William wrote
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
Rules what exactly?
EVERYTHING.
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
Anthony wrote
Steven wrote
I'm pretty sure I heard a little bit of Horner in there ('That New Cat Smell').
You can now join the club with Erik.
What club?
-Erik-
If it's a club where the only rule is having a good taste in music then you are indeed in that club Erik......unfortunately it does mean that some others here are ruled out
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Timmer wrote
Christodoulides wrote
William wrote
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
A small and simple truth.
How small and how simple?
This small and this simple.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
NP: Star Trek - Michael Giacchino
I'm loving Labor of Love.
2000th post!
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Yay William! :pom-pom:
Ever the contrary one, I'm backpedaling on Giacchino: I dont enjoy his scores to Lost, I find his take on Star Trek well crafted, but ultimately forgettable. In fact though I do enjoy a lot of what he does, it's just never to a point that I am really impressed or -to break that down to a more manageable level- will play his CDs just for fun.
Of course there are the exceptions that break the rule: I love his work on the Secret Weapons Over Normandy game (and to a lesser extent his Medal of Honor work) and I think his work on The Incredibles is the bee's knees, but the rest is more craft than art, in my opinion.
All praise to him for getting so much work done in so little time, and still being able to sound so fresh 9and he certainly does that!), but in the bulk of his work there's just no emotional reverb with me.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Martijn wrote
Yay William! :pom-pom:
Ever the contrary one, I'm backpedaling on Giacchino: I dont enjoy his scores to Lost, I find his take on Star Trek well crafted, but ultimately forgettable. In fact though I do enjoy a lot of what he does, it's just never to a point that I am really impressed or -to break that down to a more manageable level- will play his CDs just for fun.
Of course there are the exceptions that break the rule: I love his work on the Secret Weapons Over Normandy game (and to a lesser extent his Medal of Honor work) and I think his work on The Incredibles is the bee's knees, but the rest is more craft than art, in my opinion.
All praise to him for getting so much work done in so little time, and still being able to sound so fresh 9and he certainly does that!), but in the bulk of his work there's just no emotional reverb with me.
Reasons enough to get self-banned i say
Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
William wrote
Timmer wrote
William wrote
NP: Cloverfield - Michael Giacchino
Giacchino rules!
Rules what exactly?
EVERYTHING.
Exactly. He rules the world, like other similarly important people do.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
You really do clutch at straws sometimes just so you can post these pictures!
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- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Martijn wrote
Yay William! :pom-pom:
Ever the contrary one, I'm backpedaling on Giacchino: I dont enjoy his scores to Lost, I find his take on Star Trek well crafted, but ultimately forgettable. In fact though I do enjoy a lot of what he does, it's just never to a point that I am really impressed or -to break that down to a more manageable level- will play his CDs just for fun.
Of course there are the exceptions that break the rule: I love his work on the Secret Weapons Over Normandy game (and to a lesser extent his Medal of Honor work) and I think his work on The Incredibles is the bee's knees, but the rest is more craft than art, in my opinion.
All praise to him for getting so much work done in so little time, and still being able to sound so fresh 9and he certainly does that!), but in the bulk of his work there's just no emotional reverb with me.
I appreciate honesty like this. I'm inclined to agree with you but I expect others here will view your critique as the second coming of Damian Thorn.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Steven wrote
Pft, the new [proper] Cylon Raiders would annihilate that piece of 70s nostalgic junk.
Bah! The old [proper] Cylon Raider had THREE [proper] Cylons on board.
The new Vulture Droid rip-offs...er... I mean revisioned Raiders have just one -slightly twisted and generally overwrought- mind. Whoever had the bright idea of building EMOTIONS into these things?'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009 edited
Timmer wrote
Martijn wrote
Yay William! :pom-pom:
Ever the contrary one, I'm backpedaling on Giacchino: I dont enjoy his scores to Lost, I find his take on Star Trek well crafted, but ultimately forgettable. In fact though I do enjoy a lot of what he does, it's just never to a point that I am really impressed or -to break that down to a more manageable level- will play his CDs just for fun.
Of course there are the exceptions that break the rule: I love his work on the Secret Weapons Over Normandy game (and to a lesser extent his Medal of Honor work) and I think his work on The Incredibles is the bee's knees, but the rest is more craft than art, in my opinion.
All praise to him for getting so much work done in so little time, and still being able to sound so fresh 9and he certainly does that!), but in the bulk of his work there's just no emotional reverb with me.
I appreciate honesty like this. I'm inclined to agree with you but I expect others here will view your critique as the second coming of Damian Thorn.
What others? I honestly don't think many people will have any problems with that. I'm a Giacchino fan, but I can completely understand Martijn's points. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
Martijn wrote
Steven wrote
Pft, the new [proper] Cylon Raiders would annihilate that piece of 70s nostalgic junk.
Bah! The old [proper] Cylon Raider had THREE [proper] Cylons on board.
The new Vulture Droid rip-offs...er... I mean revisioned Raiders have just one -slightly twisted and generally overwrought- mind. Whoever had the bright idea of building EMOTIONS into these things?
You're old.

