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- CommentAuthorNautilus
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
franz_conrad wrote
Perhaps Courage theme suits the glamorous/colourful look they're going for with this new film as well - it doesn't sound dated when I imagine the stills I've seen of the film.
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Agree here. The colorful suites of the characters fits with Courage theme.
The problem is the rest of the score doesn't sound like that. So when It appears in the End credits sounds forced, even if Giacchino's arrengement makes it more coherent with the rest of his music. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009 edited
Of course, I'm glad the 'To Boldly Go' part of Courage's theme is used - it wouldn't be a Trek score without it. The rest of the theme just sounds odd with Giacchino's own music - which is a very modern sounding score. It probably works in the movie (well, at the end), but I still can't help but wish for Goldsmith's theme to begin every time I reach the end of the album.
Edit: blimey, I actually agree with Jordi. -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Steven wrote
Of course, I'm glad the 'To Boldly Go' part of Courage's theme is used - it wouldn't be a Trek score without it. The rest just of the theme just sounds odd with Giacchino's own music - which is a very modern sounding score. It probably works in the movie (well, at the end), but I still can't help but wish for Goldsmith's theme to begin every time I reach the end of the album.
It is a bit jarring, but I can see where Michael's coming from. (Both Michaels, in fact.) It doesn't stick out quite so much as that ludicrous Speed Racer theme did in that score, which pretty much spoiled the album for me, trivialising everything. I think he's integrated the Courage theme a bit more carefully. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Considering the End credits was one of the few parts of the album I unambiguously liked, I'll defend it to the death.
The way that Courage melody has worked through the films is quite interesting. There's that brief statement of it in STAR TREK 3 (yeah James, checked it out!), and it brings STAR TREK IV to a close, but it's never been featured in a grand celebratory arrangement. Something about using it in this new film manages to make the new STAR TREK sound familiar and new at the same time.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Steven wrote
Exactly. Lost is hyped, no doubt it. But it's good. (Not as well-written as other shows out there, but still a fantastic show.)
I've lost all interest in it ( Mel still likes it so what the feck do I know!? ), I believe EVERYONE will be disappointed by the end of this over-hyped rubbish.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Southall wrote
Steven wrote
Of course, I'm glad the 'To Boldly Go' part of Courage's theme is used - it wouldn't be a Trek score without it. The rest just of the theme just sounds odd with Giacchino's own music - which is a very modern sounding score. It probably works in the movie (well, at the end), but I still can't help but wish for Goldsmith's theme to begin every time I reach the end of the album.
It is a bit jarring, but I can see where Michael's coming from. (Both Michaels, in fact.) It doesn't stick out quite so much as that ludicrous Speed Racer theme did in that score, which pretty much spoiled the album for me, trivialising everything. I think he's integrated the Courage theme a bit more carefully.
It does seem Giacchino is destined to incorporate other people's themes into his scores. (Or at least others' styles.)
Ratatouille is one of the few scores where the slate was his entirely. And guess what? It's my favourite Giacchino score thus far. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Timmer wrote
Steven wrote
Exactly. Lost is hyped, no doubt it. But it's good. (Not as well-written as other shows out there, but still a fantastic show.)
I've lost all interest in it ( Mel still likes it so what the feck do I know!? ), I believe EVERYONE will be disappointed by the end of this over-hyped rubbish.
'Rubbish' is unfair, but 'over-hyped' is not. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Steven wrote
Ratatouille is one of the few scores where the slate was his entirely. And guess what? It's my favourite Giacchino score thus far.
Mine too. However we must not forget the use of the French national anthem.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Steven wrote
Ratatouille is one of the few scores where the slate was his entirely. And guess what? It's my favourite Giacchino score thus far.
Mine too. -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
franz_conrad wrote
Considering the End credits was one of the few parts of the album I unambiguously liked, I'll defend it to the death.
The way that Courage melody has worked through the films is quite interesting. There's that brief statement of it in STAR TREK 3 (yeah James, checked it out!), and it brings STAR TREK IV to a close, but it's never been featured in a grand celebratory arrangement. Something about using it in this new film manages to make the new STAR TREK sound familiar and new at the same time.
I don't hate it. I just don't really love it, which is exactly what I need to feel at the end of any good Trek album. Maybe it will grow on me, it's early days as yet. -
- CommentAuthorNautilus
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009 edited
Southall wrote
Steven wrote
Of course, I'm glad the 'To Boldly Go' part of Courage's theme is used - it wouldn't be a Trek score without it. The rest just of the theme just sounds odd with Giacchino's own music - which is a very modern sounding score. It probably works in the movie (well, at the end), but I still can't help but wish for Goldsmith's theme to begin every time I reach the end of the album.
It is a bit jarring, but I can see where Michael's coming from. (Both Michaels, in fact.) It doesn't stick out quite so much as that ludicrous Speed Racer theme did in that score, which pretty much spoiled the album for me, trivialising everything. I think he's integrated the Courage theme a bit more carefully.
Disagree.
Speed Racer score was a mix of styles. So the 60's theme was well integrated into the whole thing.
I think the first part of Courage theme (the bells and the trumpet motif) are great, in fact it's what Horner and Goldsmith used in his scores. But the rest it's too dated, specially when Giacchino's theme is almost a "macho" anthem.
" to Boldly Go" and the teletransportation effect in some tracks are good, and enough, homenages to the original show. -
- CommentAuthorNautilus
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Southall wrote
Steven wrote
Ratatouille is one of the few scores where the slate was his entirely. And guess what? It's my favourite Giacchino score thus far.
Mine too.
Mine too. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
You guys do know that Goldsmith used the Courage THEME in The Motion Picture. And if I'm not mistaken I think McCarthy used it briefly in Generations. If used properly... I think a slow moving arrangement with a bit more dramatic orchestration it's fine. But in the 60's original Courage style it definitely sounds VERY dated and is out of place with a modern day score.
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- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
You guys do know that Goldsmith used the Courage THEME in The Motion Picture.
Yeah, although because the theme didn't make the album, I tend to not think of it as part of the score. Silly, I know.
As for GENERATIONS, you're probably right. That's a score I've never heard apart from the film except for an Overture on a re-recording. Just felt a bit underpowered to be worth seeking out.
What do you think of Giacchino's use of it?A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
NP: Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End - Hans "Long John" Zimmer
Love to play this in the morning while getting ready
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- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
franz_conrad wrote
Erik Woods wrote
You guys do know that Goldsmith used the Courage THEME in The Motion Picture.
Yeah, although because the theme didn't make the album, I tend to not think of it as part of the score. Silly, I know.
And I think the story goes that Goldsmith steadfastly REFUSED to include it in his score and told Roddenberry that if he wanted it in the film then he'd have to get another composer to record it. So he did (Fred Steiner). -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Slumdog Millionairre - A.R. Rahman
Jai Ho!
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- CommentAuthorThomas Glorieux
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
NP: THE SHE-WOLF -- Ennio Morricone
Not bad music, but man what a ridiculous project
waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentAuthorMarselus
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
NP Wolverine (Harry Gregson-Williams)
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Boring, uninspired, bland, make your choice. Very disappointed. Not that I was expecting the soundtrack of the year, but this? Ok, I haven´t watched the movie, I don´t know if there are important cues missing, but judging for what Steven said in the Recent Viewing thread, I´m afraid that´s all.Anything with an orchestra or with a choir....at some point will reach you -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009 edited
You listening to every Morricone ever written there bro?
How many still to go?
Willow (James Horner)
Definitely a Horner classic, and one of my all time favourite scores.
This album is so full of energy and thematic brilliance, it moves me to tears !!!
Edit: My God ! How I crave for something such as this to be released again in our times... I hardly ever enjoyed it as much as now, because I was totally in the mood for Willow.
"considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009 edited
NP: X Men Origins: Wolverine - Harry Gregson-Williams
Listened to six tracks so far because I need to go for Biology class in a few minutes. I was sincerely hoping HGW would produce something so I could say he exceeded expectations and did a good job. Alas, I can't say that. Heck, I can't even say this is more or less what I was expecting. It is worse.
So far Kayla and Victor Visits are the only tracks I found listenable. The first four tracks are nothing but synth and electronic rubbish which rattle off at a constant pace without any melody, even the choir in the first track does little to help. There's a brief ascending brass (sampled?) motif at a couple of places but it soon dies down and is replaced by more drone. If I had not known, I'd say this was something by Tyler Bates. At this rate it seems John Ottman's score to the second movie is far better than this thing.
I'll get back from class and finish listening and then post my full view and rating. -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Still some more adventuring in me so I decided to put this on.
The Musketeer (David Arnold)
Highly enjoyable and addictive main theme, I prefer this to any of his later scores. It's about time Hollywood stops using him for second-rate comedies and thrillers and puts this man and his talents where he belongs, in the action / adventure genre."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009 edited
Southall wrote
franz_conrad wrote
Erik Woods wrote
You guys do know that Goldsmith used the Courage THEME in The Motion Picture.
Yeah, although because the theme didn't make the album, I tend to not think of it as part of the score. Silly, I know.
And I think the story goes that Goldsmith steadfastly REFUSED to include it in his score and told Roddenberry that if he wanted it in the film then he'd have to get another composer to record it. So he did (Fred Steiner).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COeu9xcDckg
I'm not sure if this is just a tracked piece from some fan or there's a portion that is included in the film. I need to check.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Looks like this clip is of Courage's theme as heard at this point in the movie. If I remember correctly, the original theme tended to be heard whenever Kirk was doing his "Captain's Log" monologues.The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorNautilus
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009 edited
About Wolverine, Wrong music for the character or movie. But what matters is this score is bland and Boring...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. i will not play or said nothing more about it.
NP:Star Trek Nemesis
I love this dark, atmospheric agressive sound.
"odds and Ends" the perfect example of the whole score.
Unlike some other people here, I find the action stuff very vibrant and inspired
PS:Yes, the end credits is conducted very lazy, but the extension of Remus theme is pretty good! -
- CommentAuthorSouthall
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Nautilus wrote
About Wolverine, Wrong music for the character or movie. But what matters is this score is bland and Boring...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. i will not play or said nothing more about it.
NP:Star Trek Nemesis
I love this dark, atmospheric agressive sound.
"odds and Ends" the perfect example of the whole score.
Unlike some other people here, I find the action stuff very vibrant and inspired
PS:Yes, the end credits is conducted very lazy, but the extension of Remus theme is pretty good!
I love that theme. There's one cue in the score where it's beautifully-done, but the arrangement in the end titles highlights it best.
"The Scorpion" is an A-1 piece of action music too. There's nobody around now who can match that sort of thing. That, the piece for when Data sacrifices himself ("Final Flight", or something?) and the Remus theme are what elevate the score for me. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
NEMESIS is a definite case where I could have compiled a much-better album of the same length from the full score, and the score would be much better regarded. 'The Scorpion' was a definite highlight, as was 'Lateral Run'.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
Ok, finished listening to the Wolverine score. The second half is somewhat better but it just feels like a rehash of Kingdom Of Heaven and Narnia, nothing special at all. I'm disappointed with HGW, I hope he doesn't screw up Prince of Persia next year or I'll be really pissed off.
Rating - 3 out of 5. Perhaps 2.5 would be better but I'm in a generous mood today
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- CommentAuthorDemonStar
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
NP: Back To Future I - Alan Silvestri
Now I'm listening to some seriously cool, REAL action music
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2009
I was just listening to Star Trek IX: Insurrection, and while the film is one giant borefest and one of the worst Star Trek outings, Goldsmith's score (as presented on the album) is actually concise, clever and very interesting to listen to, with some very fresh approaches (especially in the "electronic menace" department, to witness the Attack Of The Drones cue) as well as some lovely introspective cues.
Very nice indeed!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn