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  1. Steven wrote
    In part due to the fact that TV themes aren't what they used to be.

    (Yes, I know... that sounds strange coming from a 21 year old. But it's true!)

    Very true indeed!

    A final selection before bed...

    Hill Street Blues - Mike Post
    V - Joe Harnell
    It's A Knockout - Herb Alpert
    Superstars - Johnny Pearson
    The High Chaparral - Harry Sukman
    Crown Court - Cliff Twemlow
    UFO - Barry Gray
    The Winds of War - Robert Cobert
    Shackleton - Adrian Johnston
    The Streets of San Francisco - Patrick Williams
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, indeed; they are getting better and better (lost, battlestar galactica, etc) thank you.

    Funny, but none of these feature in my personal favs list!

    BTW, how long is the title theme from Lost? wink


    Quantity doesn't always equal quality smile And who talked about the title theme? LOST IS FULL OF THEMES and MOTIFS.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, indeed; they are getting better and better (lost, battlestar galactica, etc) thank you.


    Ah, yet again (wink) you missed my point. I said TV THEMES aren't what they used to be, not TV music. Two very different things.

    I would agree that things like Lost and Battlestar represent a great leap in TV scoring, but neither have a proper title theme like old TV music used to have. As one thing has perhaps improved in general (TV scoring), the other has diminished in some regards (title THEMES).
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Having said that, I think it's unfair to say TV music today is better than old TV music. Hard to say really, I'm no expert... but I can't say I'm comfortable with that generalisation.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    FalkirkBairn wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, indeed; they are getting better and better (lost, battlestar galactica, etc) thank you.

    Funny, but none of these feature in my personal favs list!

    BTW, how long is the title theme from Lost? wink


    As I've said elsewhere, I think the best TV theme of recent years is Rolfe Kent's Dexter, a fully developed theme over a great opening title sequence.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Well, if you're talking tv themes a la A-TEAM, KNIGHT-RIDER and such prominent and bold thematic statements,, well yeah you have a point; but i'd take TV music such as today's best in the field anytime over that smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  2. I certainly agree with what Steven says. TV scoring has definitely improved over the years (partly because of the resources that the composer now has at his disposal as well as the complexity of the music), but I'm talking about those opening (or closing) credits' music: the theme that gets you coming through from the kitchen (for example), grabbing your attention!

    NP: Joe 90 - Barry Gray

    (This could be a late night...I'll just wait to see what the next one is...then probably the next one...and the next...)

    NNP: Space: 1999 - Barry Gray

    Gray seems to have had a big influence on me being where I am today, listening to film & TV music some 40 years later!
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, if you're talking tv themes a la A-TEAM, KNIGHT-RIDER and such prominent and bold thematic statements,, well yeah you have a point; but i'd take TV music such as today's best in the field anytime over that smile


    That was my original point anyway. TV themes aren't what they used to be, that's a fact. Just depends on which you prefer. I personally love old TV themes, it's very akin to liking individual songs.... but I don't really listen to any of the full albums. I too would much rather listen to a modern TV score as far as complete albums go. That's really what I'm trying to get at.
  3. Christodoulides wrote
    Well, if you're talking tv themes a la A-TEAM, KNIGHT-RIDER and such prominent and bold thematic statements,, well yeah you have a point; but i'd take TV music such as today's best in the field anytime over that smile

    I doubt you had to be there to have the emotional punch that these old themes hold.

    NP: Rome - Jeff Beal
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Steven wrote
    Having said that, I think it's unfair to say TV music today is better than old TV music. Hard to say really, I'm no expert... but I can't say I'm comfortable with that generalisation.


    I would say that TV music was far more creative back when. Composers working with small orchestras, smaller budgets etc seemed to bring out a lot of creativity.

    With some exceptions ( LOST immediately comes to mind, though I don't wet myself over it like some do I appreciate that it's high quality TV music ) TV music is far more wallpaper music compared to yesteryear.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  4. Steven wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, if you're talking tv themes a la A-TEAM, KNIGHT-RIDER and such prominent and bold thematic statements,, well yeah you have a point; but i'd take TV music such as today's best in the field anytime over that smile


    That was my original point anyway. TV themes aren't what they used to be, that's a fact. Just depends on which you prefer. I personally love old TV themes, it's very akin to liking individual songs.... but I don't really listen to any of the full albums. I too would much rather listen to a modern TV score as far as complete albums go. That's really what I'm trying to get at.

    Having listened to the multiple CDs released by Network (The Champions, Randall and Hopkirk, Department S, etc) the music heard in the actual shows can be boring and don't really develop the material in such a way as we are used to today, but the themes are great!

    NP: Ivor The Engine - Vernon Elliott shame
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  5. Timmer wrote
    I would say that TV music was far more creative back when. Composers working with small orchestras, smaller budgets etc seemed to bring out a lot of creativity.

    I do agree that the creativity lay with what they could do with a small ensemble, but a lot of the time it didn't really go anywhere in terms of development (certainly the UK-based shows I mentioned above. I'm not so up on US-based shows.)

    NP: Trumpton - Freddie Phillips shame shame
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    Steven wrote
    Having said that, I think it's unfair to say TV music today is better than old TV music. Hard to say really, I'm no expert... but I can't say I'm comfortable with that generalisation.


    I would say that TV music was far more creative back when. Composers working with small orchestras, smaller budgets etc seemed to bring out a lot of creativity.

    With some exceptions ( LOST immediately comes to mind, though I don't wet myself over it like some do I appreciate that it's high quality TV music ) TV music is far more wallpaper music compared to yesteryear.


    The thing I find with old TV music that I've heard is that it sounds old. Film scores from the same period are sometimes slightly more accessible to a modern ear, but with TV scores I find it's very routed in the era it was written, and therefore sometimes a little harder to digest.

    As much as I appreciate the creativeness that went into a TV score like Star Trek (and there a few cues I love, like the fight music for Kirk and Spock biggrin ), I'd much rather listen to something like McCreary's Battlestar Galactica, which is far more film music orientated. (A reason I think some people generally regard today's TV scoring better than older TV scoring; it sounds more like film music due to the reasons Alan explained.)
  6. And just to show that it's not all "oldies" (and sometimes more adult-oriented!)

    NP: Band of Brothers - Michael Kamen

    Goodnight! sleep
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009 edited
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, if you're talking tv themes a la A-TEAM, KNIGHT-RIDER and such prominent and bold thematic statements,, well yeah you have a point; but i'd take TV music such as today's best in the field anytime over that smile


    Great TV themes of the past were written by true masters such as John Barry, John Williams, Henry Mancini, Jerome Moross, Jerry Goldsmith, Gerard Fried, Oliver Nelson, Fred Steiner, Edwin Astley, Ron Grainer, Barry Gray, Billy Goldenberg, David Shire, Nelson Riddle, Bill Conti and so many more.

    Incomparable.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Battlestar galactica, children of dune, lost, etc etc; that sound is ages ahead from the old tv sound, at least to me, which altogether sounded......"old" and at times, "cheap", as Steven commented above; it's always a matter of personal experiences - such as when did one grow up and with what kind of (tv) music, but also a matter of aesthetics when it comes to me again; whenever i hear an orchestra sounding like midi, i tend to turn it off immediately smile
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Timmer wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, if you're talking tv themes a la A-TEAM, KNIGHT-RIDER and such prominent and bold thematic statements,, well yeah you have a point; but i'd take TV music such as today's best in the field anytime over that smile


    Great TV themes of the past were written by true masters such as John Barry, John Williams, Henry Mancini, Jerome Moross, Jerry Goldsmith, Gerard Fried, Oliver Nelson, Fred Steiner, Edwin Astley, Ron Grainer, Barry Gray, Billy Goldenberg, David Shire, Nelson Riddle and so many more.

    Incomparable.


    And that's why I love old TV themes. punk
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      CommentAuthorSteven
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Christodoulides wrote
    Battlestar galactica, children of dune, lost, etc etc; that sound is ages ahead from the old tv sound, at least to me, which altogether sounded......"old" and at times, "cheap", as Steven commented above; it's always a matter of personal experiences - such as when did one grow up and with what kind of (tv) music, but also a matter of aesthetics when it comes to me again; whenever i hear an orchestra sounding like midi, i tend to turn it off immediately smile


    There is one older TV score I can think of which just about blows every modern TV score out of the water in my opinion: Masada.

    But then it was a mini-series, so I'm pretty sure it was treated like a long film?
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009 edited
    Steven wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Well, if you're talking tv themes a la A-TEAM, KNIGHT-RIDER and such prominent and bold thematic statements,, well yeah you have a point; but i'd take TV music such as today's best in the field anytime over that smile


    Great TV themes of the past were written by true masters such as John Barry, John Williams, Henry Mancini, Jerome Moross, Jerry Goldsmith, Gerard Fried, Oliver Nelson, Fred Steiner, Edwin Astley, Ron Grainer, Barry Gray, Billy Goldenberg, David Shire, Nelson Riddle and so many more.

    Incomparable.


    And that's why I love old TV themes. punk


    You obviously have great taste....as if it were ever in doubt wink

    well, it is sometimes but that's just a matter of opinion and me living in a glass house wink
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Steven wrote
    Christodoulides wrote
    Battlestar galactica, children of dune, lost, etc etc; that sound is ages ahead from the old tv sound, at least to me, which altogether sounded......"old" and at times, "cheap", as Steven commented above; it's always a matter of personal experiences - such as when did one grow up and with what kind of (tv) music, but also a matter of aesthetics when it comes to me again; whenever i hear an orchestra sounding like midi, i tend to turn it off immediately smile


    There is one older TV score I can think of which just about blows every modern TV score out of the water in my opinion: Masada.

    But then it was a mini-series, so I'm pretty sure it was treated like a long film?


    For sure! I would also add Goldsmith's QB VII to that.

    I agree that there is far more development to modern TV scoring though, for the most part, it doesn't engage me as much as the old 'episodic' scoring of such classics as Star Trek TOS, The Twilight Zone, Columbo etc.
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorWilliam
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009 edited
    NP: The Dark Knight - Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard

    It's not my favorite, but some of it is pretty sweet! punk
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    Erik Woods wrote
    Sunil wrote
    This is one of the worst collaboration work.


    Nah. Save that for Always and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

    -Erik-


    But you can find some good tracks in both Always and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. For instance, in Always, excellent track is there Follow me, its really short and mind blowing track and there are other tracks which contains melodious music. And in KOTC, i like tracks The Adventures of Mutt Williams, The Jungle Chase, Ants etc. But in War of the Worlds, i don't find any track interesting.
    Racism, Prejudices and discrimination exists everywhere.
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      CommentAuthoromaha
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009 edited
    Listening to all of Giachhino's Medal of Honor scores as I delve into my cramming session. smile
    It, as always, is keeping enthralled and alert. kill

    Haha, switching to Blade Runner right now would be me blatantly volunteering for an 'F'.
    I love Blade Runner, but like many scores... it has its venues.
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      CommentAuthorSunil
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    omaha wrote

    Switching to Blade Runner right now would be me blatantly volunteering for an 'F'.
    I love Blade Runner, but like many scores... it has its venues.


    Blade Runner is one of the best scores of Vangelis. My favorite too.
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      CommentAuthorRalph Kruhm
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009 edited
    Erik Woods wrote
    Yeah... I stole the idea from Doug Adams' "tech talk" segment on the FSM podcast.

    Oh, I see. I wasn´t aware of that podcast and the surrounding facts. Maintitles.net still is my only source of everything scory, so sometimes I miss some things or don´t know a thing about certain "celebrities" of the "fan" scene. It´s the music itself that counts for me, and I find that you guys have the ability to point out everything spectacular that´s out there, so I don´t feel the need to dwell in other places.

    NP: Miklos Rosza - El Cid - You know, that rerecording you´re not supposed to miss. I gave it to my mom as a birthday present last year, and she finally lent it to me for a listen. A-ma-zing.
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      CommentAuthorWilliam
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    NP: Medal of Honor: Frontline - Michael Giacchino

    A wonderful score, but certainly not his best.
  7. Frontline is definitely his best from his early years.




    Predator 2 (Alan Silvestri)

    I always find myself immensely enjoying this, even with Predator being released a few years ago, this never gets old. Silvestri is one incredible ass-kicker when it comes to writing big action music. The musical buildup heard in 'Truly Dead' is first-class and always raises a smile. And the themes from the first film are present so this always rocks my boat.
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2009
    You'd be hard pressed to find a better, more adrenaline packed eight minutes and forty five seconds than the awesome End Title of PREDATOR 2

    punk
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
  8. Haha just listening to it right now.

    You're right Tim. beer
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
  9. Yup. Truly spectacular. I used P2 in my RPG sessions for all encounters with Orcs. Worked wonders.