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Have you seen this Peter? I laugh my ass of everytime. Now, i'll get my coat and my sorry cat-loving ass out of here

Hehe, love it, D.

Erik, stop being silly.

Peter

I'm obviously more willing to let it go but I have to say I agree with Erik, I really don't like the use of that word in that context.

You were amazed with how the DVD looked? Imagine my face when I watched the latest blu-ray release.

It was a little like:


It's like watching a film in a totally different way!

Perhaps I have you wrong, but I get the feeling that you as many others believe that there must be real misogyny involved when certain words like "bitch" and "cunt" are used. Perhaps that explains your reaction. I can understand, in the sense that it really changes a dark joke from being funny to offensive as soon as you realize that there is seriousness hiding behind the joke, for instance if dark humour is based on real racism or misogyny. At that point dark humour is no longer funny, but it's painful to behold.

Personally I have nothing against women. I grew up with an assertive mother, and as a result as an adult I don't understand misogyny at all, and I consider the two genders 100% equal. I really don't get why anyone would consider a gender less than the other.

So if I agree with someone using the word "bitch", it's as innocent as agreeing with someone using the word "idiot". There's no misogyny hidden behind my agreement, but it's all meant as good-natured humour about something fictional.

I got emotionally involved with Lost, and I'd understand completely if a mother (or father) would become hysterical by having their child kidnapped in real life, and of course I'd never call them any bad names because of it. But I'm not that emotionally involved with the show that I can't step out of it and see that it's just actors following a manuscript, which means that I will react to the events very differently that I would react to the events if they were real. I view it as a show one can make fun of without consequences precisely because it is a show. Perhaps you are more emotionally involved with the show than me because I find it mysterious to see you say that it's uncalled for to insult one of the characters.

Peter

I liked the Claire character.
But although I disapprove of what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say bitch.

Even if it isn't particularly funny or warranted.

That said, I seem to notice a bit of a trend (not specifically here, but throughout, in real life): I hear many non-native speakers throw about the most heinous, insulting, horrid epiteths and swear words that seem completely incongruous to the situation at hand.

Dutchies as an example seem to have a bit ofa tendency to use the word "fucking" in any given conversation in English more than Al Pacino did in Scarface (which is fucking impressive). When questioned, the offender seems to have little inkling of what he said, which leads me to conjecture that these words (analogous to D's "bitch") are used far more as an expression of increased emphasis (sometimes without any negative connotation at all, even!) than any particular strong feelings about anything.

It's an interesting dynamic to behold, when you see a room full of native speakers grow cold due to -what is perceived as - a completely unwarranted rant by a non-native speaker. Leads to interesting (and regretfully complicated) dynamics.

Anyway.
Thus endeth the sociological contemplation of the day. Cunt. Fuck.

I didn't think ROBIN HOOD was that bad. I mean the whole 'Batman Begins' approach is a bit silly, but when I cast my mind back to... most of the previous films of Robin Hood... they didn't have to do much to fight on the same ground. (Except Flynn-Curtiz, of course. Though I remember Korngold even thought that was beneath him at the time.)

As to whole bitch thing, I think Martijn is right. I don't think you can expect non-native English speakers to fully appreciate the full import of what they say when they use English. (Just so everyone knows though, Erik has a point, it has a shade of misogyny to it here.)

Take it from us Belgians (well the flemish side anyway, because we don't watch dubbed movies) we've been exposed to years and years of english swear words in films, and we've heard them so often by now, they're just like normal vocabulary. I remember my father being totally put off by all the swearing in Alien 3 back in the 90s, yet when he saw the film again on blu-ray recently, he never made any remark about all the 'fucks'. But I do admit when its used a bit too much, such as it often is in real gritty crime movies it can become a bit annoying when all they do is swear.

Trust me, it's a bore-fest.....but if you insist on watching it

Woah, this is truly something outside my waters. I am not even going to comment it further but i'll rather let it die. At times i thank God i live in financially God-forsaken Greece and not anywhere, you know, more Western I'm off for the Easter holidays guys, take care.

Watching the 1961 version of Mysterious Island at the moment. Good to hear Bernard Herrmann's score in the movie.

Perhaps the fictional situation is a window into the attitudes to a similar situation in real life?

Talking about Robin Hood my friend. I enjoyed watching Alien, Blade Runner and Thelma & Louise. Gladiator I'm neutral on. I'll stick to the Errol Flynn version from the 30's for Robin Hood which has an excellent score from Korngold.
Thomas

I'm glad I've never seen the show. Other than the score which is good I've no time for stuff like that. The use of the language in films is not called for. I don't talk like that and the people I know don't either.
Thomas