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  1. To me Michael Mann is one of the rare instances of a director being a master in using hand-held. There are very few directors who know how to use it and can do it. Heat, Public Enemies are visual masterpieces.

    Another master of hand-held is Ridley Scott, who famously hated that he couldn't operate the camera on Blade Runner on his own, having done that on both Duellists and Alien.

    Spielberg comes to mind, too. In general, directors are pretty clueless about hand-held. Except the 1970s.
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      CommentAuthorDreamTheater
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011 edited
    One of the instances of Michael Mann's genius comes in the film Heat, when we're about to see McCauley's crew breaking in a building when they're being watched by the police. The few seconds the camera swoops down on a view of the street, the slightly blurry lens, coupled with the minimalist sound in that particular moment: it always gives me the chills.

    Heat is my favourite of Mann, it's like the ultimate cops & robbers film, Pacino and De Niro have incredible chemistry together.

    I've watched Public Enemies twice but it never comes close to the greatness of Heat, and Miami Vice I may have to revisit. It does have a couple of standout scenes as well.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011 edited
    Saw three films in the past three days... that is some sort of record for me at this point in my life.

    First... Drive. I didn't expect to like this as much as I did I thought the cinematography was the real star of the film. The car chase in the middle of the film was excellent. Excellent sound editing as well. Ryan Gosling was OK... but he was dead face serious throughout most of the movie. He smiled a few times but for the most part he looked constipated. I mean, his face didn't even move a muscle during the hotel shootout! Ugh! I would have loved to see more of Ron Perlman and less of Albert Brooks. Sorry, Brooks was miscast.

    Cliff Martinez music was incredibly effective in the film... but it's wasn't anything special or memorable and it sucks on CD. HOWEVER, the songs were excellent. They had a retro 80's vibe to it which my wife loved as did I. Desire's "Under Your Spell" is really good and College's "A Real Hero" should get an Academy Award nomination. Great tune!

    We then had a viewing of Raising Arizona. I have never seen it but I've always wanted to. I thought it was brilliant. What a screenplay! I don't think Nicholas Cage has been any better than he was in this film. His hair was something else! John Goodman and William Forsythe are excellent as Cage's ex-con buddies. Again, I love the cinematography in this film. And I must say that the I busted a gut at the kid writing the word FART on the wall of Cage and Hunter's trailer home. I'm so mature. I had a blast watching this and can't wait to explore even more Coen Bros. films. Barton Fink might be next.

    Lastly, we saw Hanna. I didn't know what to expect from this film. Never saw a trailer and had no idea what it was about. What I do know is that there is a lot of controversy surrounding the film in the film score community so I had to check it out for myself. Everything up to the point of the big reveal was amazing! I found the last 15 minutes or so to be pretty standard Hollywood fluff and expected a bit more from the story. But like I said I was engaged from the first frame on. Unlike the Gosling character in Drive, who was stone cold through out the film, director Joe Wright lets us in on Hanna's new experiences and let's Hanna's emotions pour out on screen... the wind through her hair while driving through Morocco, her first kiss (hilarious scene) and her first encounter with electricity. This film could easily have been a standard balls to the walls action film but there was time to breathe which was a nice change of pace. The action scenes were very well choreographed and the performances were for the most part excellent. The Bana (father) and Ronan (Hanna) scenes, especially at the beginning of the film, were incredibly strong and believable. However, I wasn't too keen on Blanchett in this film. Overall, I was really surprised by the film and would really like to see it again.

    As for the music... while the CD is not that engaging on it's own (however I haven't listened to it since seeing the film) the music in context is very effective. I don't know why this score is getting so much flack but from the scores first notes during the cabin raid we know what to expect from the rest of the score... at least I thought I did. While I found that opening cue to be a bit distracting and misguided, the rest of the score works very well and even has a few memorable themes to grab a hold of. For those that don't think music plays an important part in the film or that the director didn't care about music then why was Isaacs always whistling "The Devil Is In The Beats/The Devil Is In The Details." If that's not a bad guy calling card a la The Imperial March (not comparing the two pieces mind you but what their role is in context of the film) then I don't know what is. It's a theme that just infiltrates your mind and complete takes over. You'll never forget it. I thought it was brilliant and down right fucking creepy. And I love the music box styled Hanna theme with vocals. The wordless vocals remind of M83 Vs Big Black Delta's remix of "Fall" on the Tron Legacy Reconfigured album. The action material was unique... I haven't heard anything like that in a film before. It's pretty much drum and bass but is performaned in this chaotic fashion that matches perfectly with the on screen action.

    Anyway, I thought the score was very well done, has an emotional core and was perfectly spotted. It wasn't just electronic wallpaper and it even followed specific synch points in the film... I thought that only classically trained film composers could do that...?

    Up next - The Godfather Part II. I know... it's awesome and all that shit... but I haven't had a chance to find a three and half hour block to watch it in its entirety.

    -Erik-
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Have you never seen GODFATHER II Erik?

    RAISING ARIZONA is bloody brilliant! One of my favourite Coen Brothers films, I say enjoy your exploring of their films but would suggest you give the serious missfire THE LADYKILLERS a miss and instead hunt, borrow, download or steal the original 1956 version from Ealing Studios starring Alec Guinness, Peter Sellers and Herberty Lom, one of the truly great treats of filmdom, if you've never seen it before then I envy a first viewing.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    I've seen bits and pieces of the The Godfather Part II but have never had the opportunity to really give it my full undivided attention. I'm hoping I can do that tonight. It's one of the films I have on my holiday viewing list.

    I've heard Coen's The Ladykillers is awful hence the crow joke in No Country for Old Men. I also want to revisit Fargo; a film I panned when I saw it back in 1996. I think I have a better understanding of the Coen's sense of humour so I think I will enjoy Fargo more than I did back then.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorDreamTheater
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011 edited
    Raising Arizona is hilarious, a real gem from the Coens. The scene where Cage goes to 'borrow' something for his kid at a store, and the subsequent events is among the funniest I've seen. biggrin

    I also think The Hudsucker Proxy is one of the most original comedies to ever come out of Hollywood. The dialogue, actors, the use of music, all top-notch.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    DreamTheater wrote
    Raising Arizona is hilarious, a real gem from the Coens. The scene where Cage goes to 'borrow' something for his kid at a store, and the subsequent events is among the funniest I've seen. biggrin


    That whole scene was comic genius that comes full circle with Cage opening the door to his moving car and grabbing the diapers off the street! Both my wife and I lost it! Brilliant stuff!

    -Erik-
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    I've seen bits and pieces of the The Godfather Part II but have never had the opportunity to really give it my full undivided attention. I'm hoping I can do that tonight. It's one of the films I have on my holiday viewing list.

    I've heard Coen's The Ladykillers is awful hence the crow joke in No Country for Old Men. I also want to revisit Fargo; a film I panned when I saw it back in 1996. I think I have a better understanding of the Coen's sense of humour so I think I will enjoy Fargo more than I did back then.

    -Erik-


    Have you seen the 1956 version Erik?
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    JS: THE ABYSS - SPECIAL EDITION (1989)

    Actually, I saw it yesterday in preparation for an article on montages. It's one of my alltime favourite films, but I've always felt that the special edition has some serious issues. Silvestri's score is also one of my alltime favourites. He's never been better.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Timmer wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    I've seen bits and pieces of the The Godfather Part II but have never had the opportunity to really give it my full undivided attention. I'm hoping I can do that tonight. It's one of the films I have on my holiday viewing list.

    I've heard Coen's The Ladykillers is awful hence the crow joke in No Country for Old Men. I also want to revisit Fargo; a film I panned when I saw it back in 1996. I think I have a better understanding of the Coen's sense of humour so I think I will enjoy Fargo more than I did back then.

    -Erik-


    Have you seen the 1956 version Erik?


    No shame

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    As for my Top 10 favourite films, this will always change. As of right now, these are up there:

    The ALIEN films, esp. 1 and 2
    SCHINDLER'S LIST
    JURASSIC PARK
    THE APU TRILOGY
    BLADE RUNNER
    PROFESSIONE: REPORTER
    The STAR WARSes
    The LOTRs
    A.I.
    EDWARD SCISSORHANDS
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Thor wrote
    JS: THE ABYSS - SPECIAL EDITION (1989)

    Actually, I saw it yesterday in preparation for an article on montages. It's one of my alltime favourite films, but I've always felt that the special edition has some serious issues. Silvestri's score is also one of my alltime favourites. He's never been better.


    The expanded edition is indeed flawed. I'm glad they cut the tide wave sequence. It wasn't needed. The additional music (not by Silvestri) wasn't very good and felt out of place. Earlier on they put back in One Knight singing ""Willing" which was a big waste of time. However, if I can recall, Bud's Dive into The Abyss is extended, and I think that added to some of the tension of that scene.

    -Erik-
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    Timmer wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    I've seen bits and pieces of the The Godfather Part II but have never had the opportunity to really give it my full undivided attention. I'm hoping I can do that tonight. It's one of the films I have on my holiday viewing list.

    I've heard Coen's The Ladykillers is awful hence the crow joke in No Country for Old Men. I also want to revisit Fargo; a film I panned when I saw it back in 1996. I think I have a better understanding of the Coen's sense of humour so I think I will enjoy Fargo more than I did back then.

    -Erik-


    Have you seen the 1956 version Erik?


    No shame

    -Erik-


    ( at the risk of sounding too pushy ) Please do so Erik, it's one of the best black comedies ever made and with a perfect cast to die for. I know the Coens are huge fans of this film but they really should have left it alone, it's like remaking Casablanca or Gone With The Wind etc, you can only be in for a big fall.
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  2. Thor wrote
    JS: THE ABYSS - SPECIAL EDITION (1989)

    Actually, I saw it yesterday in preparation for an article on montages. It's one of my alltime favourite films, but I've always felt that the special edition has some serious issues. Silvestri's score is also one of my alltime favourites. He's never been better.


    I'm eagerly awaiting this on blu-ray. And that Cameron somehow updates the wave sequence, because it will look like crap in HD, probably.

    I don't know, it's totally awesome to spend even more time in this great adventure with the added scenes which do alter the tone of the film, but the theatrical cut was the first one I ever saw and it's easily my favourite cut. Unlike the ones for Aliens and T2, I could never go back to the theatrical versions. smile
    "considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011 edited
    DreamTheater wrote
    Unlike the ones for Aliens and T2, I could never go back to the theatrical versions. smile


    Aliens extended cut is also flawed. Yes, the automatic machine gun scene is back but the Newt prelude should have been left on the cutting room floor. Seeing Newt and her family at the beginning of the film completely ruins her appearance later on.

    As for T2 - I hate, HATE, HATE the Reese dream sequence. "On your feet soldier! " vomit What a poorly written scene. However, the removal of the chip from Arnold's head later on is a killer scene.

    -Erik-
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  3. Even Cameron himself is critical of the Newt introduction scene. He said that he was trying to do Ridley, but can't do it as well as Ridley did.
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  4. Erik Woods wrote
    Saw three films in the past three days... that is some sort of record for me at this point in my life.

    -Erik-


    That long post was a very good read, thanks!
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  5. Back to Aliens for a while, I've never seen the theatrical cut. Even our TV, when I saw it for the first time (in fact all Alien movies in a row), showed only the director's cut of it. How old was I when I saw the Alien movies for the first time, me wonders... 12-13?

    Ridley's film is my favorite, Aliens is one of the best action thrillers I've seen in my life though. I haven't seen Fincher's for years, but I'm not willing to see Resurrection again.
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  6. ALIEN and one of the many BLADE RUNNER director cuts are both very strong filmmaking experiences. They should have been on my list of favourite films.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    franz_conrad wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Saw three films in the past three days... that is some sort of record for me at this point in my life.

    -Erik-


    That long post was a very good read, thanks!


    beer
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  7. The whistling villain is an old film reference (HANNA has a few of those). In this case, the child murderer from Lang's M -- a strange German if ever there was one -- goes around whistling Grieg's 'Hall of the Mountain King'. Here Tom Hollander is a strange German out to murder a child who goes around whistling...
    Actually 'Hall of the mountain king' appears anyway, when she goes to visit the toy maker.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Neat! BTW, the use of "Hall of the Mountain King'" was far more effective in Hanna then it was in The Social Network.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    Neat! BTW, the use of "Hall of the Mountain King'" was far more effective in Hanna then it was in The Social Network.

    -Erik-


    BOOOOOOOH. Its use in SOCIAL NETWORK was its best use in film that I've seen. And just a plain ol' fantastic marriage of music and visuals regardless.

    But I adore the HANNA soundtrack -- both in the film and outside. It's probably my most-played soundtrack this year.
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  8. Erik Woods wrote
    Neat! BTW, the use of "Hall of the Mountain King'" was far more effective in Hanna then it was in The Social Network.

    -Erik-


    I agree. It made sense.
    And it made sense in M too.
    Both feature the music in the world of the characters, and anything goes in the diegetic track.
    But it made no sense in SOCIAL NETWORK. Except as a tacit admission that the composers were unable to produce something original for the scene that had the effect Fincher was after...

    Its use in SOCIAL NETWORK was its best use in film that I've seen.


    Nonsense, you're just being hyperbolic now. Or you haven't seen enough films. wink
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011 edited
    franz_conrad wrote
    Erik Woods wrote
    Neat! BTW, the use of "Hall of the Mountain King'" was far more effective in Hanna then it was in The Social Network.

    -Erik-


    I agree. It made sense.
    And it made sense in M too.
    Both feature the music in the world of the characters, and anything goes in the diegetic track.
    But it made no sense in SOCIAL NETWORK. Except as a tacit admission that the composers were unable to produce something original for the scene that had the effect Fincher was after...


    EDIT : Here is what Fincher said about that scene from Pitchfolk.com

    Pitchfork: The most noticeable music moment in the film is the Henley Royal Regatta scene, which shows two main characters in a rowing race and doesn't have any dialogue. It's almost like a music video stuck in the middle of the movie.

    Fincher: Well, it kind of is. It's the only type of action sequence in the movie. In the script, Aaron described what happens: cut-- we're in the middle of this race... and they lose. From a dramatic standpoint, it's an odd sequence because you're being dropped into something you're not prepared for. It's not like Rocky where you know he's gonna end up having to fight Apollo Creed and you know what the stakes are. Here, it's like: Welcome to the Henley Royal Regatta. What is that? How does it work? Why does anybody care?

    I thought it would help me know what to shoot if I had a piece of music to cut the scene to. So when we were scouting we found out the whole idea of the Henley Royal Regatta was based on an Edwardian-period garden party. I didn't know anything about Edwardian-period garden parties, so I called [sound designer] Ren [Klyce] and asked him for an example of an Edwardian composer. Ironically, we ended up with [Edvard Grieg's] "In the Hall of the Mountain King". First, I was too embarrassed to call Trent about it. [laughs] But then I asked him, "What do you think about doing like a Wendy Carlos version of 'Hall of the Mountain King'?" And it was off my plate.


    I still didn't like it and it felt ridiculously out of place.

    -Erik-
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      CommentAuthorMartijn
    • CommentTimeDec 29th 2011
    Hell, in M it's a crucial plot element! Never used better. Excellent and harrowing.
    'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn
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      CommentAuthorBregt
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2011 edited
    That HANNA film is interesting, thanks for the review Erik. I don't even know if it has run in theatres here. I never heard about it or saw a trailer, and I didn't knew it was directed by Joe Wright. Combined with the music, which I heard some tracks of, it makes the whole thing rather surreal!
    Kazoo
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2011
    Bregt wrote
    That HANNA film is interesting, thanks for the review Erik. I don't even know if it has run in theatres here. I never heard about it or saw a trailer, and I didn't knew it was directed by Joe Wright. Combined with the music, which I heard some tracks of, it makes the whole thing rather surreal!


    The film is my third favourite of the year! See it!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2011 edited
    franz_conrad wrote
    Nonsense, you're just being hyperbolic now. Or you haven't seen enough films. wink
    (cat amongst pigeons deposited)


    No, I definitely haven't seen all films and tv shows that feature Grieg's piece at some point or another (whether as source cue or narrative tool), but of those that I have, no one comes even CLOSE in terms of how it works in context. Not even M. Nor BIRTH OF A NATION, DEAD SNOW or what-have-you.
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    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2011
    Martijn wrote
    Hell, in M it's a crucial plot element! Never used better. Excellent and harrowing.


    I haven't seen M.
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