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- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Let it be known once again that EVERYONE is qualified to make their own personal "best of" playlists (duh!), but not proper albums with everything that goes into it (dramaturgy, fitting tracks etc.). Such a playlist will always be better than a C&C, but also worse than an album experience created by a professional producer or the composer him/herself.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
So in your opinion, a complete and chronological presentation of a score is not actually optimal?
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- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
franz_conrad wrote
So in your opinion, a complete and chronological presentation of a score is not actually optimal?
Yeah, pretty revolutionary thought, eh?
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- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Please, tell us more.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011 edited
I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
(dramaturgy, fitting tracks etc.).
This is utterly, totally subjective!!! Drama itself is a personal, subjective matter...its why some people are vastly more affected by certain types of films / books / paintings / etc and others are affected by other types. Using a technical word like "dramaturgy" does not magically make album creation or any other art form into a science that only the elite are qualified to perform.
I completely respect the fact that you prefer to have someone else create your listening experiences for you, but its just a tiny bit annoying that you insist on repeatedly publicly suggesting that my private choices are automatically worse than those a professional would create for me. Your enveloping statement up there specifically said that my private album playlists are all "worse" than the original albums. I don't really appreciate that. Not that I should care what someone on an internet forum thinks, but, well, I can't help it at the moment :D I guess I'll just mentally ammend your comment to say "worse for Thor"
This will probably seem like a stupid analogy and its a bit crass so I'm spoilering it...[spoiler]it's almost like saying that all young lovers should be required to watch porn first and then only ever replicate what they see there, instead of doing what comes naturally to them, because the porn producers and models have more experience and knowledge about sexual activity than we do. They're both highly personal things that I feel I have we have a right to create our own personal, private version that is "best" for us rather than having someone else do it for us. [/spoiler]I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011 edited
This is utterly, totally subjective!!!
Well yes, ALL art is subjective. Same goes for the painter or the author. Just as you wouldn't rob them of their right to present their work as they see fit, so too should one respect the composer's vision in producing the albums as they see fit. On the other side of the spectrum, we as listeners have OUR subjective experience of that presentation, of course, but that's a whole other story. We evaluate and react based on the artistic vision we are given (we can say that it's good or bad or anything inbetween). But we don't usually intervene before that.
Using a technical word like "dramaturgy" does not magically make album creation or any other art form into a science that only the elite are qualified to perform.
Yes, in a way I think it does. They are intricately familiar not only with their own music (if it's the composer assmembling it), but also musical development in general. So just like the great producers of, say, 70's prog rock albums (which have a similar 'concept' feel to them), they are OBVIOUSLY far more able to create an album experience than I am. At best, I can only make random "best of" playlists, and that does NOT an album make.
I think the constant de-evaluation of the album production artform that I see in film score circles, in particular, is an insult to ALL great album producers throughout history -- even those that worked in pop music like George Martin, Alan Parsons, Sam Philipps, Phil Spector, Trevor Horn etc.
It's the "everyone can be their own Alan Parsons, and be just as good at it!"-type routine that annoys me to no end.
Your enveloping statement up there specifically said that my private album playlists are all "worse" than the original albums.
Yes I am, unless you're actually a professional record producer who come here under the guise a pseudonym. Of course, it's nice that you get pleasure from your own playlists, but that's beside the point.
Sorry, guys, I'm VERY easily baited on this subject, as you know, and can go on for ages.
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- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Please, tell us more.A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Thor wrote
Of course, it's nice that you get pleasure from your own playlists, but that's beside the point.
And that's the heart of the difference...I don't believe there is any other point BUT the pleasure (and other things) I get from my music, and the pleasure that others get from their experience of the same thing.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
And here we go again! 'Nite.
The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorjustin boggan
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
franz_conrad wrote
Please, tell us more.
BAD, FRANZ!
Let's let somebody else tell us more:
"Alright guys, this has gone on long enough.
Thor, we know your opinion, you've rehashed it a million times in a million ways on this board, FSM's, and others.
I'm officially asking you to please stop derailing positive threads with your anti-C&C posts. If you want to create your very own thread where you and anybody who wants to post in it can rag on C&C release and praise OSTs, you are very welcome to, and I assure you it will never be locked or deleted.
But in a thread where people were having a good time talking about what scores they would like to see in complete form, your never-ending anti-C&C posts accomplish NO good.
By all means, please stay on JWFan, just stop derailing threads to have your opinion heard. We get it."
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- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
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- CommentAuthorKevin Scarlet
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
The Help - Thomas Newman
Just started listening to the score. It definitely has a How to Make an American Quilt/Horse Whisperer feel so far. -
- CommentAuthorKevin Scarlet
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Halfway through, it's all pretty pleasant sounding but nothing on the level of Angels in America or Road to Perdition. I feel like he could write this score in his sleep. -
- CommentAuthorKevin Scarlet
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
So, I think "The Terrible Awful" is my favorite track off the score, next to "Ain't You Tired". It's a throwback to The Green Mile's wonderful dancing pizzicato.
Overall, a nice score. Not his best, but I'm just glad to have Newman back after a long absence. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011 edited
Thankfully, this board is NOT JWFAN or even FSM, justin! You're actually allowed to say your opinion here, even though it's wellknown or a minority one, without being ridiculed or censored. That's why this is the best film music board on the net!I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Kevin Scarlet wrote
The Help - Thomas Newman
Just started listening to the score. It definitely has a How to Make an American Quilt/Horse Whisperer feel so far.
Yeap, very calming and soothing, love it. THE DEBT is darker and rawer though.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorfranz_conrad
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Thor wrote
Thankfully, this board is NOT JWFAN or even FSM, justin! You're actually allowed to say your opinion here, even though it's wellknown or a minority one, without being ridiculed or censored. That's why this is the best film music board on the net!
Indeed, we encourage diversity of thinking.
For example, you alluded before to your thoughts on the ideal form a soundtrack album should take. Perhaps you can elaborate?A butterfly thinks therefore I am -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011 edited
Now THAT'S why I love this board!!!
host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorFalkirkBairn
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Thanks, Erik!
I now have 30 minutes of my life that I cannot account for!The views expressed in this post are entirely my own and do not reflect the opinions of maintitles.net, or for that matter, anyone else. http://www.racksandtags.com/falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011 edited
Anyways,
NP: WAGON TRAIN (John Williams/various)
LP-to-CD transfer of this old cowboy drama series. Some nice themes here, not all by Williams, that captures the Hollywood-style folk music of the wild west.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011 edited
NP: WAR OF THE WORLDS (John Williams)
Underrated film and score. Classy suspense music.I am extremely serious. -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Great score... and if you get rid of the last five minutes of the film, it's equally great!
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorlp
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
NP: Fast Five - Brian Tyler
Hugely enjoyable score for a very entertaining movie. -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Thor wrote
NP: WAR OF THE WORLDS (John Williams)
Underrated film and score. Classy suspense music.
It's effect is first-rate in the film... Can't ever sit through it on album myself.
lp wrote
NP: Fast Five - Brian Tyler
Hugely enjoyable score for a very entertaining movie.
And I'll never be able to enjoy a Tyler score for the mere fact that is a score written by Tyler, the most overrated succesful film composer I can think of.
The movie is indeed a blast, bring on the end of september for its release."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorDreamTheater
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
LES DEUX MONDES - RICHARD HARVEY
Thomas gave me this to listen to... Nope, not my cup of tea at all. Some of the time I have to wonder what my bro is smoking to be able to enjoy something like this. Maybe I should try me some of that..."considering I've seen an enormous debate here about The Amazing Spider-Man and the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it, I feel myself obliged to say: TASTE DIFFERS, DEAL WITH IT" - Thomas G. -
- CommentAuthorjustin boggan
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Okay, all fixed:
By all means, please stay on MainTitles, just stop derailing threads to have your opinion heard. We get it.
Now, STFU. Thanks."The views and opinions of Ford A. Thaxton are his own and do not necessarily reflect the ones of ANYONE else. -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
Erik Woods wrote
Great score... and if you get rid of the last five minutes of the film, it's equally great!
-Erik-
I agree but it's still nowhere near as great as George pal's version.On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorThor
- CommentTimeSep 15th 2011
DreamTheater wrote
Thor wrote
NP: WAR OF THE WORLDS (John Williams)
Underrated film and score. Classy suspense music.
It's effect is first-rate in the film... Can't ever sit through it on album myself.
It's not an easy listen, and I'm not generally a fan of suspense/horror scores, but Williams has the chops. Love those ostinato things he's fallen in love with since the mid 90's. This is like a darker MINORITY REPORT.I am extremely serious.