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- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
William wrote
NP: Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium - Alexandre Desplat & Aaron Zigman
Magical! This is definitely one of my favorite scores!
I like it, too!
-Erik-
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- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Scribe wrote
I swear there is more thematic material in his score than in Kamen's and Ottman's scores combined.
Matt, can you even imagine what a composer like say Broughton, or Trevor Jones, or Edward Shearmur, or Cliff Eidelman or Silvestri would do with such a project as Wolverine? As for Ottman's and Kamen's scores for the franchise, you aren't really marking them as inferior to Gregson Williams', right?
Yes, the pressures in the industry Do exist; and every single major composer working out there receives varying amounts of it; but if things were as black and white as you put them, NONE OF THEM would be able to deliver something worthwhile, even still, no matter what; 'cause the studio execs would pressure them to deliver the same things all over again. You clearly now though that this is not the case with everyone and certainly there are hordes of ways to "find your way out" into little or even more creativity each and every time. How can you take HGW out of all this equation?
I've met him in Soncinemad; i've seen him talk about his music in person; i saw him conducting (or trying to) conduct his own music; i've seen numerous interviews of his while trying to understand what's wrong with the whole thing the last years; he strikes me as either agoraphobic, or someone who's tired by the whole genre.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
William wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Erik Woods wrote
William wrote
NP: Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium - Alexandre Desplat & Aaron Zigman
Magical! This is definitely one of my favorite scores!
I like it, too!
-Erik-
Couldn't get it at first and even now, there are some pieces i skip, but overall i'd say it's a pretty good score for the genre indeed!
Well, my most played tracks are Main Title, Mahoney's Debut, Night Time, The Flight of Magorium, and Finale. The two main themes are favorites of mine, presented very well in the score.
The main themes and motifs are indeed very good! The rest of the material is what i usually skip.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
The rest of the material is what i usually skip.
Me too.
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- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Christodoulides wrote
Scribe wrote
"Humdrum material" is an opinion. That HGW is not writing music to your personal taste does not mean that said music is by definition "humdrum" or any other negative thing by someone else's taste. And while you certainly have the right to heap as many negative opinions on the man's work as you like, that certainly does not give you or anyone else the right to judge his intentions or how much he cares.
Tastes or not, the quality of his outcome has dramatically dropped during the last years, and this coming from one of the biggest fans of scores like SPY GAME, MAN ON FIRE or the complete recording sessions 4-disc set from KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. He's getting lazier by the minute and it sounds. Do you REALLY think that a composer of his status couldn't do anything more worthwhile with assignments other would KILL for, like the latest X-MEN? Yeah, let's all cry in sympathy for a guy who gets millions of dollars to deliver something he doesn't deliver at the end, just because 'they make him'.
How are you measuring "quality" that you can so categorically state that it has "dropped"? What is so not worthwhile about his X-Men score? It has several full-length themes, which is much more than Kamen or Ottman did for the same franchise. It has interesting orchestrations and arrangements, well-integrated and thrilling use of choir, and is bookended by a satisfying opening and closing. That's more than you get with a whole lot of scores. What exactly are you expecting from Harry that he's not doing?
The only sign of "laziness" that I see in his work is his re-use of cues in sequels (Narnia, Shrek), and if you want to hold that against him, then John Williams is guilty of exactly the same thing (every franchise for which he's ever written, Star Wars worst of all).I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Scribe wrote
Martijn wrote
Scribe wrote
Are the ones on Amazon likely to be legal (not bootleg) copies? $40-50 isn't that bad.
You think Amazon sells bootlegs?
Amazon doesn't, but you never know what some random 3rd party merchant listing on Amazon might be doing...
Amazon is accountable and liable for such actions, so yeah, we DO know.
Amazon keeps a VERY wary eye out.
But Matt, why are you making me do work you could easily do yourself?
About 6 seconds checking on the site I linked to yeilds the issuing company's name.
About 30 more seconds of googling yields the history of that issue.
I'm not entirely sure why you'd have to come on here to voice your doubts, when in about half the time it'd take you to post that you could have verified the status all by yourself.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Martijn wrote
But Matt, why are you making me do work you could easily do yourself?
About 6 seconds checking on the site I linked to yeilds the issuing company's name.
About 30 more seconds of googling yields the history of that issue.
I'm not entirely sure why you'd have to come on here to voice your doubts, when in about half the time it'd take you to post that you could have verified the status all by yourself.
I wasn't "voicing doubts." I was just idly wondering, since your original post on the subject seemed to indicate that you had greater knowledge/experience on this issue. I apologize for your inconvenience.
I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
No worries. I thought you were just being lazy.
I always get kinda annoyed when people are trying to make me do their homework. Sorry if I sounded brusque.
At the end of the day it was only 36 seconds of my life too!'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Scribe wrote
Christodoulides wrote
Scribe wrote
"Humdrum material" is an opinion. That HGW is not writing music to your personal taste does not mean that said music is by definition "humdrum" or any other negative thing by someone else's taste. And while you certainly have the right to heap as many negative opinions on the man's work as you like, that certainly does not give you or anyone else the right to judge his intentions or how much he cares.
Tastes or not, the quality of his outcome has dramatically dropped during the last years, and this coming from one of the biggest fans of scores like SPY GAME, MAN ON FIRE or the complete recording sessions 4-disc set from KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. He's getting lazier by the minute and it sounds. Do you REALLY think that a composer of his status couldn't do anything more worthwhile with assignments other would KILL for, like the latest X-MEN? Yeah, let's all cry in sympathy for a guy who gets millions of dollars to deliver something he doesn't deliver at the end, just because 'they make him'.
How are you measuring "quality" that you can so categorically state that it has "dropped"? What is so not worthwhile about his X-Men score? It has several full-length themes, which is much more than Kamen or Ottman did for the same franchise. It has interesting orchestrations and arrangements, well-integrated and thrilling use of choir, and is bookended by a satisfying opening and closing. That's more than you get with a whole lot of scores. What exactly are you expecting from Harry that he's not doing?
The only sign of "laziness" that I see in his work is his re-use of cues in sequels (Narnia, Shrek), and if you want to hold that against him, then John Williams is guilty of exactly the same thing (every franchise for which he's ever written, Star Wars worst of all).
If you were to rank scores not strictly based on your personal preference ALONE but also in terms of musicianship, instrumentation, melodic and thematic development, coherence and musical meaning etc etc, like SPY GAME, KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and the lot he's written during the last 3-4 years or so, would you rate them next to those 2 or even close to them?Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Musicianship? Composers are not musicians, unless we're talking about Brian Tyler. At least HGW conducts, which is a lot more than most of his generation does.
Instrumentation? I can't speak for the technicalities here...if I could, I'd be a composer myself. But HGW's music has gotten a lot denser and more complex in recent years. If there is something technically wrong with his instrumentations, why don't you share what you know? Or is it above the comprehension of non-musically-trained people?
Development and coherence? I hear more in Caspian and Wolverine than I hear in his older works.
Musical meaning? If that's not a category of personal preference, I don't know what is...I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009 edited
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post moved to the harry gregson williams thread.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
NP: Gone Baby Gone, Prince Caspian, Wolverine - Harry Gregson-Williams
To educate myself, and hopefully prove to myself that I am not insane.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Scribe wrote
Musicianship? Composers are not musicians, unless we're talking about Brian Tyler.
Ummm... most, if not all composers, know how to play on instrument... mainly the piano. Does that not make them musicians. But if you want to get technical a musician is some one who performs and/or writes music.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorSteven
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
I think 'musicians' may have been confused with 'performer'.
Personally, HGW bores the pants off me. But I'm all for people enjoying his scores! I say good for them if they do. -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Steven wrote
I think 'musicians' may have been confused with 'performer'.
Personally, HGW bores the pants off me. But I'm all for people enjoying his scores! I say good for them if they do.
Thank you.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorErik Woods
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Scribe wrote
Steven wrote
I think 'musicians' may have been confused with 'performer'.
Personally, HGW bores the pants off me. But I'm all for people enjoying his scores! I say good for them if they do.
Thank you.
But you can do so much better.
-Erik-host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS! -
- CommentAuthorScribe
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
Scribe wrote
Steven wrote
Personally, HGW bores the pants off me. But I'm all for people enjoying his scores! I say good for them if they do.
Thank you.
But you can do so much better.
-Erik-
And I do. I enjoy Desplat. And Broughton. And Coulais. And I could go on for a very long time...
but that doesn't mean I can't also appreciate HGW.I love you all. Never change. Well, unless you want to! -
- CommentAuthorThomas Glorieux
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
NP: METEOR -- Laurence Rosenthal
Just started listening but already Close Encounters and Star Trek: Motion Picture keep running through my mind
waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Where's my nut? arrrghhhhhhh -
- CommentAuthorTimmer
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Bregt wrote
franz_conrad wrote
It's fairly mature, emotional stuff. No dissonance in sight, all fairly melodic. A couple of tense cues, a couple of beautiful light (but weary) pieces and a stunner of a main theme (this one is particularly romantic and wrenching).
Don't forget to mention that it is co-composed with Stéphane Moucha, Yared's regular orchestrator.
More in Joep's review:
http://www.maintitles.net/reviews/das-l … r-anderen/
ThanksOn Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt -
- CommentAuthorStavroula
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009 edited
A wonderful night here, the heat is rising steadily, the moon is making his way over Taygetus and for the first time after many days I'm able to relax and just breathe. I didn't know what to play, desperate in need of something to sweep me away of any thoughts of tiredness and stress. I need so much to relax. So I fell back to something melodious and based to my favourite instrument
NP: The Piano ~ Michael NymanWhatever you gaze rests on,do not use your vision, but the eyes of your soul...She knows better... -
- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Arrrggggghhh... now I need something like Goldsmith's Kull the Conqueror to get that taste out of my ears.
So to speak.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthoromaha
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Red Dragon!
Ahhhhhh! what was that???
I though I heard something behind me.
Everything's cool.
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- CommentAuthorMartijn
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
omaha wrote
Everything's cool.
Ah.
Famous last words.'no passion nor excitement here, despite all the notes and musicians' ~ Falkirkbairn -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
Scribe wrote
Musicianship? Composers are not musicians, unless we're talking about Brian Tyler.
Ummm... most, if not all composers, know how to play on instrument... mainly the piano. Does that not make them musicians. But if you want to get technical a musician is some one who performs and/or writes music.
-Erik-
Exactly, There's so much more to "musicians" than just playing an instrument.Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorDemetris
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Steven wrote
I think 'musicians' may have been confused with 'performer'.
Personally, HGW bores the pants off me. But I'm all for people enjoying his scores! I say good for them if they do.
http://www.maintitles.net/forum/discuss … ent_112728Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders. -
- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Toy Story 2 - Randy Newman
Really enjoyable. The best Pixar score that's not written by Giacchino. -
- CommentAuthorPanthera
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Erik Woods wrote
William wrote
NP: Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium - Alexandre Desplat & Aaron Zigman
Magical! This is definitely one of my favorite scores!
I like it, too!
-Erik-
Some tracks are amazing, but the majority of the score doesn't stand out in my opinion.
NP: Monster vs Alien - Henry Jackman
It's a good start for this relatively new composer, but not as enjoyable as many of the other scores for Dreamworks Animated films. -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
Anthony wrote
The best Pixar score that's not written by Giacchino.
You really love Giacchino, huh?
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- CommentAuthorAnthony
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
William wrote
Anthony wrote
The best Pixar score that's not written by Giacchino.
You really love Giacchino, huh?
No, he's terrible.
Give me Justin Boggan any day. -
- CommentAuthorWilliam
- CommentTimeJun 11th 2009 edited
Anthony wrote
William wrote
Anthony wrote
The best Pixar score that's not written by Giacchino.
You really love Giacchino, huh?
No, he's terrible.
Shame on you!
Anthony wrote
Give me Justin Boggan any day.
If you're sure you want him, I'll give him to ya!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx1ulWyJfK4
