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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2011 edited
    Southall wrote
    Apart from your first and last sentence, you wrote exactly what I may have written about it. I didn't mean any negative connotation, by the way. I meant simplistic as in the opposite of complicated. Nothing about either film or score is complicated, nor should it be. I see no depth to either - they're both pieces of entertainment designed to provoke enjoyment, not thought. That's what a summer popcorn movie is meant to be. Or, to sum up all that in a word: simplistic.


    Yeah, I know, but you seem to underestimate the inherent artwork in this film. Sure, it's not intended as a though-provoking, gritty thriller or whatever, but the action genre encompasses a lot of different expressions. Like, say, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, this is a piece of action artwork, and should be appreciated for that, IMO. It's a reason why it receives a lot of credit even among socalled 'cineastes' (like the Criterion label or several theses I've read). It's not just an average 'popcorn potboiler'.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2011 edited
    I do understand what you're saying. I guess I just see it as being surface-level thrills. (I'd say the same about Raiders of the Lost Ark, by the way. Again I stress that I don't mean it as a slight in any way.)
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2011
    The Ghost and Mrs Muir - Bernard Herrmann

    An exquisite score, one of the very finest. Love Elmer Bernstein's recording of it (though I have no frame of reference, admittedly).
  1. Southall wrote
    The Ghost and Mrs Muir - Bernard Herrmann

    An exquisite score, one of the very finest. Love Elmer Bernstein's recording of it (though I have no frame of reference, admittedly).


    The one shame about the Bernstein recording is that it cuts the best cue, which can be heard on the various Silva Herrmann compilations.

    On the subject of CRIMSON TIDE. I think it's great. It trumps THE ROCK for me. And it's not just the theme, it has some of the best atmospheric scoring out of a Zimmer score.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
  2. Nautilus wrote
    NP: Tree of Life
    I really like it. At least is Desplat being Desplat and trying something else...

    A great album experience.


    I listen to this album a lot, on loop. Life goes by. It's fascinating. smile
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorCristian
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2011
    franz_conrad wrote
    Nautilus wrote
    NP: Tree of Life
    I really like it. At least is Desplat being Desplat and trying something else...

    A great album experience.


    I listen to this album a lot, on loop. Life goes by. It's fascinating. smile


    After I've removed the cues Emergence of Life, Good & Evil and Temptation I like it, too.
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      CommentAuthorDemetris
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2011
    Southall wrote
    I Am Number Four - Trev Rabin

    Sounds a bit like the work of an enthusiastic amateur.


    From all of his works, only 'i am number four' sounded like this to you? wink

    Southall wrote
    Band of Brothers - Michael Kamen

    One from the heart. Beautiful music.


    Indeed. Very amusing to compare it with THE PACIFIC.
    Love Maintitles. It's full of Wanders.
  3. Cristian wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Nautilus wrote
    NP: Tree of Life
    I really like it. At least is Desplat being Desplat and trying something else...

    A great album experience.


    I listen to this album a lot, on loop. Life goes by. It's fascinating. smile


    After I've removed the cues Emergence of Life, Good & Evil and Temptation I like it, too.


    I cut out 'Temptation'.

    The way I usually play it: 'Emergence of Life', 'Clouds', 'Good & Evil', 'Awakening', 'Childhood', 'Fatherhood', 'Motherhood', 'Light & Shadow', 'Rivers', 'Circles', 'City of Glass', 'Skies'.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Christodoulides wrote
    Southall wrote
    I Am Number Four - Trev Rabin

    Sounds a bit like the work of an enthusiastic amateur.


    From all of his works, only 'i am number four' sounded like this to you? wink


    Well, no, I guess. He has produced some very enjoyable albums - he obviously has severe limits, but working within them has made stuff like Deep Blue Sea and National Treasure which - while hardly frequently-played albums by me - are certainly entertaining. By aiming for a more orchestral sound with I Am Number Four, I fear he has gone beyond those limits and it sounds (without wanting to be cruel) a bit like a high school "Let's write a film score this week!" exercise. (Of course, it goes beyond anything I could write!)


    Southall wrote
    Band of Brothers - Michael Kamen

    One from the heart. Beautiful music.


    Indeed. Very amusing to compare it with THE PACIFIC.


    Yes. One is a work of passion and beauty, the other sounds like a box-ticking exercise (not sure if that phrase has meaning outside the UK).
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    franz_conrad wrote
    Southall wrote
    The Ghost and Mrs Muir - Bernard Herrmann

    An exquisite score, one of the very finest. Love Elmer Bernstein's recording of it (though I have no frame of reference, admittedly).


    The one shame about the Bernstein recording is that it cuts the best cue, which can be heard on the various Silva Herrmann compilations.


    I must have heard the Silva piece on numerous occasions but don't recall it at all! Time to dig it out...
  4. NP: An edited suite from Silva's re-recordings of Shore's LORD OF THE RINGS (gee, I had time on my hands in those days!)

    This contains the instrumental versions of Gollum's Song, Into the West, and softer cues like Twilight and Shadow and Evenstar. Runs about 20 minutes or so, and gets round the tempo issues that afflict the more kinetic tracks. Good for relaxing.
    A butterfly thinks therefore I am
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011 edited
    NP: Memoirs of a Geisha - John Williams

    I still consider this to be one of the best scores Williams has ever written.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
  5. The Tree of Life - Alexandre Desplat

    I really liked this score a lot. It's the most meditative score I've heard since White Oleander. I especially liked "River", "Awakening", and "Motherhood" (OMG!! ANOTHER WALTZ!! AAAAAHHH!!!!!).
  6. Kevin Scarlet wrote
    The Tree of Life - Alexandre Desplat

    I really liked this score a lot. It's the most meditative score I've heard since White Oleander. I especially liked "River", "Awakening", and "Motherhood" (OMG!! ANOTHER WALTZ!! AAAAAHHH!!!!!).


    Lol. I'm listening to it right now, it better than expected. It's calm but not boring, and doesn't sound like typical Desplat music (though some of his trademarks are there).
    • CommentAuthorLars
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    NP: Memoirs of a Geisha - John Williams

    I still consider this to be one of the best scores Williams has ever written.

    -Erik-


    when i heard this score for the first time, i thought what an amazing score. fantastic themes and a wonderful orchestration. but after listening to other asian soundtracks i have to say it's a weak score, especially for the topic and setting of the movie. it's a movie with the setting in japan and the score sounds like chinese music. maybe they thought let's make us a little bit asian music. nobody will recognize the difference between chinese and japanese music. the next problem is, the music doesn't feel like real asian music. williams just imetates the asian style. for example christopher gordon's score from Mao's Last Dancer is far superior to Memoirs Of A Geisha. Memoirs Of A Geisha is technically a very good score, but the real asian feeling, in this case the real japanese feeling, is missing. why didn't they hire joe hisaishi or shigeru umebayashi? but that's hollywood.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    NP: Memoirs of a Geisha - John Williams

    I still consider this to be one of the best scores Williams has ever written.

    -Erik-


    It's certainly among his most mature, at the very least.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011 edited
    NP: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2 (Hans Zimmer)

    Variable. Not too keen on the action music, but love the calmer, Hispanic flavours with guitar and vocals.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Thor wrote
    NP: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2 (Hans Zimmer)

    Variable. Not too keen on the action music, but love the calmer, Hispanic flavours with guitar and vocals.


    Are you playing Zimmer worst albums and scores these days for some reason, thor? biggrin
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    NP: Memoirs of a Geisha - John Williams

    I still consider this to be one of the best scores Williams has ever written.

    -Erik-


    Agree. in my Williams top 10. and in my all time favourite list.
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      CommentAuthorNautilus
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    franz_conrad wrote
    Cristian wrote
    franz_conrad wrote
    Nautilus wrote
    NP: Tree of Life
    I really like it. At least is Desplat being Desplat and trying something else...

    A great album experience.


    I listen to this album a lot, on loop. Life goes by. It's fascinating. smile


    After I've removed the cues Emergence of Life, Good & Evil and Temptation I like it, too.


    I cut out 'Temptation'.

    The way I usually play it: 'Emergence of Life', 'Clouds', 'Good & Evil', 'Awakening', 'Childhood', 'Fatherhood', 'Motherhood', 'Light & Shadow', 'Rivers', 'Circles', 'City of Glass', 'Skies'.


    The same goes for me. "Skies" is a terrific ending-opening. The circle of life...a closing is a beggining too wink
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Nautilus wrote
    Thor wrote
    NP: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2 (Hans Zimmer)

    Variable. Not too keen on the action music, but love the calmer, Hispanic flavours with guitar and vocals.


    Are you playing Zimmer worst albums and scores these days for some reason, thor? biggrin


    No, I'm playing my entire Zimmer collection in chronological order, and I like ALL of them: RAIN MAN, BLACK RAIN, BACKDRAFT, BEYOND RANGOON (my favourite), POWER OF ONE, K2, LION KING, LION KING - BROADWAY, CRIMSON TIDE, THE ROCK, MI 2, GLADIATOR, THE LAST SAMURAI and now THE DA VINCI CODE. Will end it with the WINGS OF A FILM compilation.

    These are albums I want to hang on to and that I really, really enjoy. The Zimmers that I don't like, I've sold off. And then there are those that I want, but that I haven't picked up yet.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011 edited
    Nautilus wrote
    Thor wrote
    NP: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2 (Hans Zimmer)

    Variable. Not too keen on the action music, but love the calmer, Hispanic flavours with guitar and vocals.


    Are you playing Zimmer worst albums and scores these days for some reason, thor? biggrin


    I think M:I2 is a terrible film score but a pretty darn solid album.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011 edited
    NP: The Tree of Life - Alexandre Desplat

    There aren't too many film composers that could pull off a score of this sort. It's so minimal but for some reason I was taken on this extraordinary journey where each and every note... even the long, hypnotic, almost drone like cues... are saying something to me. Desplat's music has sustained my interest without doing a whole hell of a lot, which is saying quite a bit about Desplat's talent, creativity and understanding of the film's subject matter.

    On my first listen I was eager to hear where Desplat was going to take his music. And even after 5, 6 and 7 minutes of string textures and piano twinkling, which would normally bore the absolute piss out of me, I was still engaged to the point where I stopped what ever it was I was doing to turn up the volume and give this score my undivided attention. The textures Desplat creates are so simple and yet so achingly beautiful.

    But it's not all airy texture and ambiance. Desplat has created some signature melodies as well including a lovely tune for piano, strings and harp in the track "Motherhood." which unfortunately is far too short.

    And the range of emotions on display here are incredible especially when a composer uses so little to say so much. In the PR Desplat says, "the score for The Tree of Life had to convey the river - like the motion of life, a fluid stream from birth to death, keeping a sense of Innocence, Purity, Simplicity. But it also had to oppose the Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Happiness and Sorrow. And express how Love can slowly morph to Anger and back again.” Boy did he ever succeed!

    As most of you know I don't really feel many Desplat scores but for some reason I'm falling in love with this score... maybe it has something to do with the fact that I've only had 8 hours sleep in the past 4 days... that could be clouding my judgment. wink And now, because of Desplat's music, I'm interested in seeing the film.

    In any case, I'm just as surprised as you all are in reading my praise for this score but it has taken a hold of me and hasn't let go. As it stands right now The Tree of Life one of the finest scores I've heard this year!

    shocked << I know.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    shocked

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    "BUMPF!"

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    Clear

    "BUMPF!"

    ...^...^...^...^

    We have him Nurse, he's back....
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
    • CommentAuthorTimmer
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    NP: Memoirs of a Geisha - John Williams

    I still consider this to be one of the best scores Williams has ever written.

    -Erik-


    This is a score I need to return to, I've only probably listened to it twice but it didn't do much for me, there's always hope though, the example is playing right now, SPR was a score I dismissed and now it's one of my most beloved scores.


    NP : SAVING PRIVATE RYAN - John Williams
    On Friday I ate a lot of dust and appeared orange near the end of the day ~ Bregt
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    Nautilus wrote
    Thor wrote
    NP: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2 (Hans Zimmer)

    Variable. Not too keen on the action music, but love the calmer, Hispanic flavours with guitar and vocals.


    Are you playing Zimmer worst albums and scores these days for some reason, thor? biggrin


    I think M:I2 is a terrible film score but I pretty darn solid album.

    -Erik-


    Ditto.
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      CommentAuthorSouthall
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Erik Woods wrote
    NP: The Tree of Life - Alexandre Desplat

    There aren't too many film composers that could pull off a score of this sort. It's so minimal but for some reason I was taken on this extraordinary journey where each and every note... even the long, hypnotic, almost drone like cues... are saying something to me. Desplat's music has sustained my interest without doing a whole hell of a lot, which is saying quite a bit about Desplat's talent, creativity and understanding of the film's subject matter.


    Writing about music can be so difficult sometimes. How can someone like me describe this music in a way which doesn't make it sound dull? Yet it has genuinely excited me in a way few scores have in a while. The album's not perfect - I'd chop out Temptation, for sure - but it is, I think, a work of real elegance that feels tremendously enriching.

    I still feel I'm finding more in it - and, this may sound daft, but somehow learning from it - after a couple of dozen listens.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Southall wrote

    Writing about music can be so difficult sometimes. How can someone like me describe this music in a way which doesn't make it sound dull?


    ...which is so bizarre since the words seamed to flow out effortlessly as I wrote them above. Again, I'm far from being a great... hell even good writer... but what I wrote above was pretty much shot from the hip as I was listening to the score. I'm surprised I made any sense out of it all. It's at times like these where I wish I was a better writer... this score deserves it.

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!
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      CommentAuthorThor
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    Surprised you liked it, Erik. Maybe I should give it a shot too, from one Desplat critic to another.
    I am extremely serious.
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      CommentAuthorErik Woods
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2011
    It's right up your alley, Thor!

    -Erik-
    host and executive producer of THE CINEMATIC SOUND RADIO PODCAST | www.cinematicsound.net | www.facebook.com/cinematicsound | I HAVE TINNITUS!